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Sauber Grand Prix results

Should the results of BMW Sauber be combined with the Sauber results? Daniels Renault Sport (talk) 14:49, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

1) Why ask after you have already done it?

2) As long as BMW Sauber remains seperate from Sauber in articles, then No. --Falcadore (talk) 14:25, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Team Lotus (1958-1994) and Team Lotus (2010-11)

I propose to merge this page with Team Lotus (2010-11), because they refer to the same team. Tony Fernandes acquired all rights of Team Lotus (historical rights, naming rights and image). Team Lotus will come back in 2011 (in spanish).

"A little over 1 year later, on September 24, 2010, it was announced that Tony Fernandes (Lotus Racing) had acquired the name rights of Team Lotus from David Hunt, marking the official re-birth of Team Lotus in Formula One".

I know this has been discussed, but in my opinion Team Lotus (1958-1994) and Team Lotus (2010-11) refer to the same team. --Laln93 (talk) 20:51, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

But if you know it has been discussed, what exactly is your argument to sway the consensus? You're not exactly bringing anything new to the table. The³5₉ (Talk) 21:06, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

TD in drivers Formula One results.

Is their really a need to include TD to their Weekends as Test driver in their Formula One results as their not results as they never entered the actual race. Just a thought because some drivers articles have them and others don't even thought that I know that the driver was part of Friday practice. Daniels Renault Sport (talk) 17:38, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

If we include the TDing drivers in the teams and drivers section of the season page, surely it makes sense to have them on the drivers' articles themselves. Technically, since they took an active part in the race, this should be noted. And while they were not entered for the race, they were entered for the event. —Gyaro–Maguus— 21:53, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

GP2 and Porsche Supercup drivers are entered for the event as well you know. Just pointing out the contradiction. --Falcadore (talk) 23:47, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Dallara chassis names

Noting the recent creation of Dallara F191 and Dallara F192, I see that we have currently have some inconsistency regarding the naming of these cars - some articles refer to them as "191/192", some as "F191/F192" and some as "BMS-191/BMS-192". External sources are similarly divided - StatsF1 calls them 191 and 192, FORIX and ChicaneF1 call them "BMS-191" and "BMS-192" whereas grandprix.com refers to the 1992 car as a "F192". I'm happy to make all the articles consistent once we reach a consensus on the correct names. DH85868993 (talk) 11:19, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Actually, we should probably consider the names of all the Dallara chassis to avoid having to do this again every time a new article is created. Here is what various sources call all the cars - feel free to add extra columns for other sources. DH85868993 (talk) 14:02, 19 July 2013 (UTC):

StatsF1	FORIX	ChicaneF1	grandprix.com	Higham	Autocourse	Hodges
3087	3087	3087
188	BMS-188	BMS-188	F188	F188	F188	BMS 188
189	BMS-189	BMS-189	F189	F189	F189	BMS 189
190	BMS-190	BMS-190		F190	190	BMS 190
191	BMS-191	BMS-191	F190	F191	191	191
192	BMS-192	BMS-192	F192	F192	192	192

From what I can get from Dallara's own website, there is no specific mention of their Formula 1 chassis, but there is a mention of their 1993 Formula 3 chassis being the "F393". So the F191 and F192 names make sense in terms of Dallara's naming scheme. The³5₉ (Talk) 17:58, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Higham's International Motor Racing Guide consistently refers to the Dallara cars as F188, etc... Autocourse keeps the F part of the designation in its 1988 and 1989 annuals but drops it for the later annuals. Hodges refers to the earlier cars as Bms 189 but for 91/92 it is 191 and 192 respectively. No help there then... Zawed (talk) 02:58, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the extra info, Zawed - I've added it to the table. Feel free to make any necessary corrections. DH85868993 (talk) 15:39, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

What is more likely is that F1year is Dallara's internal name for the cars and BMS-1year was Scuderia Italia's name for the cars. Can't prove it, but a client constructed car that makes sense for two names for the same car. Much like Lola T90/10 and Nissan R90CK. Pick one name, and refer to both in the article. --Falcadore (talk) 13:07, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

BRM P57

Currently there are two articles about the 1961-62 F1 BRM:s. 1) BRM P48/57 about the 1961 Climax powered car and 2) BRM P57 about the later BRM V8 powered car. According to the BRM Saga Vol 2 by Doug Nye the correct BRM designations for the cars were "P57" and "P578". These were variants of the same chassis with different motors, and both have later been called "P57" causing some confusion. "P48/57" is just an unofficial name sometimes used for the "real" P57. I have edited both articles and info boxes to reflect this, calling the earlier type "P57-Climax" and "Climax powered P57", and the 1962 type "P57-V8" and "V8 powered P57", following the example of Doug Nye. IMHO the title of the "BRM P48/57" article should be changed to "BRM P57-Climax". The title for the "BRM P57" article should be "BRM P57-V8". Kurt kuurna (talk) 05:59, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Sounds to me like the correct thing to do is merge the articles, if they are just versions of the same car. --Falcadore (talk) 06:45, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Yes, that would serve information seekers best. For example, different variants of Lotus 72 are currently under the same article. Kurt kuurna (talk) 07:07, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Fernando Alonso's 2009 season results?

I don't understand why Fernando Alonso's 2009 Formula One season results are split up? Shouldn't their just be one? Daniels Renault Sport (talk) 17:40, 26 July 2013 (UTC)