Wikipedia talk:WikiProject China

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Merge proposal China and People's Republic of China to China

There's a merge proposal at Talk:People's Republic of China to merge People's Republic of China into China. 70.55.86.34 (talk) 07:32, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

• And it will not happen. WhisperToMe (talk) 15:49, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Thin Chen Enterprise

Does anyone want to find reliable sources about Thin Chen Enterprise? What about Little Red Hood? (Chinese title is 小红帽) WhisperToMe (talk) 15:49, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

High School Affiliated to Shanghai Jiao Tong University

While I know high schools are generally notable per WP:SCHOOLS and I want to avoid any bias issues, but this high school at least needs a name. I don't read any Chinese but the official website is linked from the article. Would anyone have a go at finding out at least the name to where the article could be moved? Thanks! _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 15:34, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Judging from the school emblem, which contains English initials of the school name, the current title appears to be right. HkCaGu (talk) 17:18, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Yunnan tractor/truck hybrid - any term for these?

I saw these tractor/truck hybrids in Yunnan that were made by attaching a truck cab and flatbed to a tractor engine. I also raised this inquiry on the Misc. ref desk, but got no definite responses. I'm wondering if anyone else here has seen these and has an idea if there is a term for them, English or not. Thanks. --BrokenSphere^{Msg me} 21:51, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

About the article Hoa

I move that:

The article Hoa be removed from WikiProject China.

There are many reasons why Hoa should not be part of the said WikiProject at all and I will only touch on some of them. Firstly, most Mainland Chinese, Hong Kongers and Taiwanese do not regard the Hoa people as being of Chinese ethnicity at all; the Hoa are considered a subset of the Vietnamese ethnicity. This fact immediately disproves the misconception amongst many people that the Hoa are somehow not ethnically Vietnamese.

Another reason is that the ancestors (or at least most of them) of Hoa people are strictly speaking not ethnically Chinese. The simple reality is that the label of Chinese ethnicity was brutally imposed on non-Chinese peoples for various reasons throughout world history. For example, in the centuries following the conquest of what is now Canton and northern Vietnam by Imperial China, some of the most despicable acts were committed by the Han Chinese (and probably some sympathisers as well) against Cantonese, Teo Chew, Vietnamese and many other Viet peoples. Local culture was brutally suppressed and many local people became enslaved. In fact these acts amount to genocide and appear to have been done all in the name of Imperial expansionism.

A further reason is that putting such a label on the talk page immediately promotes an 'us and them' attitude. Many culturally minded people (both Vietnamese and non-Vietnamese) are well aware of the very close ties between Teo Chew, Cantonese and Vietnamese peoples. They lament the fact that the former two peoples have been forced to suffer the indignity of being labeled 'Chinese' on a regular basis for no gain at all. Regrettably, there are still many ignorant people out there who still try to make ridiculous claims that ethnic Vietnamese have little or nothing in common with ethnic Cantonese and Teo Chew. 122.105.146.66 (talk) 05:59, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Update: The template in question at Hoa has been removed. 122.105.144.54 (talk) 13:09, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Object - Roadrunner (talk) 14:32, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Attention all editors

Please note that the Hoa people are NOT considered ethnic Chinese by immigrants from China, Hong Kong or Taiwan; the 'Hoa' are considered 'Vietnamese'. In light of this, I urge all editors to check that all applicable articles reflect the said classification. 122.105.144.54 (talk) 13:25, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Please note that you are just wrong about this. Roadrunner (talk) 14:33, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Chinese music industry

I've been unable to find information pertaining to the Chinese music industry, so I was hoping someone here could help me. Is there a Chinese equivelent to the Recording Industry Association of America or British Phonographic Industry? I ask because I'm working on a global music-market type article (List of music recording sales certifications) and I've been unable to find much info pertaining to Chinese music. Any help anyone could give would very much appreciated. Drewcifer (talk) 02:38, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Probably State Administration of Radio, Film, and Television. Benjwong (talk) 04:44, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Page for deletion

I am tempted to delete frog day unless someone can prove this is a real holiday. Benjwong (talk) 04:44, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Better ask the creator for sources (or *a* source). Badagnani (talk) 03:13, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Manhua

Does anyone have any objection to me proposing addition of manhua to the scope of WikiProject Comics' world comics work group? I can't find any cohesive group working on manhua in any wikiproject. I had a terrible time just finding a manhua infobox template. :) I figured the comics project's brand-new world comics group would be a good place to serve as a manhua hub. What do you guys think? Thanks for your feedback! --hamu♥hamu (talk) 02:51, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Chinese legend Hai Tung Ching - Is there an article on it?

Mandarin Airlines says that it uses Hai Tung Ching (海東青) [1], a golden eagle in the book "Annals of Rehol" as its mascot. The Chinese Wikipedia entry on 海東青 points to the Gyrfalcon on EN, but I am not sure if this is the same legend.

Is there a different romanization that this is known as? WhisperToMe (talk) 03:37, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

According to zh:海東青 it seems to be a rather nondescript bird. No mythological significance seems to be attached. "Annals of Rehol" is interesting. Rehol = Jehol 熱河 here, and the book is 「熱河志」 "Chronicles of Jehol", a Ch'ing-era (1757) publication. The book does indeed mention the bird, and the description is indeed correct, but it isn't an "old legend" by any stretch. It actually seems to be copied from 「元史」 "History of Yuan", which would have been a Ming-dynasty work (1369). Quoth:「海東青亦曰海青雕之最俊者身小而捷能擒天鵝爪白者尤異次曰玉爪駿俊絕異倫一飛千里」 This is identical to the description on the Chronicles of Jehol. Looks like the Mandarin Airlines people didn't do their homework... Anyway, that was probably more than you asked for. Heh. Миборовский (talk) 08:14, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Or it could be a poor translation from Chinese... WhisperToMe (talk) 23:09, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Chinese wén rename

Chinese wén has been proposed to be renamed Chinese cash (currency) 70.55.88.44 (talk) 05:38, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Heavy POV from Diaoyutai Islands article

Diaoyutai Islands

• 1. Chinese Brother(including taiwan), Why This page title name is still "Senkaku Islands"? this is very heavy JPOV. at least, we need more neutral name. like "Pinnacle Islands".
• 2. This article is abandoned by Chinese editor. Why this silly POV pushing sentence still remained?

Quote from article.

Their status has emerged as a major issue in foreign relations between Taiwan and Japan. Also, due to China's claim that Taiwan belongs to them, they try to become involved in conflicts regarding the islands, even though the islands have nothing to do with China.

<<- This is not true. "try to become involved in conflicts??" "nothing to do with China?"

: Quote from article.

The Diaoyutai Islands, or Senkaku Islands are a group of disputed, uninhabited islands currently controlled by Japan, but also claimed by the Taiwan (ROC).

<<- they omitted PRC.

Last, need more editing in territorial dispute section from Chinese side claim.Clerkwheelzeon (talk) 01:38, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Recent event

I started the article for Summer 2008 China region floods. If this keeps up, it should be put on the frontpage as news or recent events. Benjwong (talk) 13:56, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Taiwan Province, People's Republic of China - sent for deletion

Taiwan Province, People's Republic of China has been nominated for deletion at WP:AFD. 70.51.9.166 (talk) 04:48, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Project

Shouldn't this project be split in two, one on the PRC, and a coordinating project over all of China/Chinese Civilization/Chinese History ? 70.51.9.166 (talk) 04:58, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Cuisine articles for deletion

• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Saang mein. Badagnani (talk) 23:07, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

• • Also included in this discussion: Thin noodles, Thick noodles, and Jook-sing noodles. Badagnani (talk) 23:12, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Peanut butter bun. Badagnani (talk) 23:08, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sausage bun Ohconfucius (talk) 02:48, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Big problem -- edit war

This edit is the third in 24 hours unilaterally removing Taiwan-related articles from WPCHINA. The problem is, much of Taiwan is intimately related to Chinese culture, and in fact Taiwan was considered Chinese for many hundreds of years. Our project doesn't just discuss the present but also discusses history: both recent and ancient. Please undo this edit, thanks. Badagnani (talk) 05:18, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

I have reverted the edit for now, but the user may return.--Danaman5 (talk) 06:20, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks; in fact, the removed Wikilink was simply in the "Related projects" section -- and I don't think anyone can dispute that WikiProject Taiwan is related to WikiProject China. Badagnani (talk) 06:29, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Articles flagged for cleanup

Currently, 3027 articles assigned to this project, or 19.8%, are flagged for cleanup of some sort. (Data as of 18 June 2008.) Are you interested in finding out more? I am offering to generate cleanup to-do lists on a project or work group level. See User:B. Wolterding/Cleanup listings for details. If you want to respond to this canned message, please do so at my user talk page. --B. Wolterding (talk) 12:48, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

I have requested a cleanup listing from this bot, which should be ready in a few days (or whenever the bot can get to it).--Danaman5 (talk) 11:35, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

The listing is now available. Follow the link from the template at the very bottom of the main project page. It looks pretty well-organized and informative.--Danaman5 (talk) 02:33, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Page move requests

See

• Talk:Nanyue#Requested_Move Badagnani (talk) 12:58, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

• Talk:Chinese_wén#Requested_move

• Talk:Taoism#Requested_move

Badagnani (talk) 13:07, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Request move: Bolshoy Ussuriysky Island → Heixiazi

Request move: Bolshoy Ussuriysky Island → Heixiazi; discuss here: Talk:Bolshoy Ussuriysky Island --Voidvector (talk) 17:39, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Nanyue -> Nam Viet

Nanyue has been requested to be renamed Nam Viet 70.51.10.4 (talk) 06:29, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Request move: Zhuyin → Bopomofo

Request move: Zhuyin → Bopomofo; discuss here: Talk:Zhuyin#Requested move --Voidvector (talk) 05:20, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

1421 hypothesis -> mergeto -> 1421: The Year China Discovered the World

1421 hypothesis has been proposed to be merged into 1421: The Year China Discovered the World (book article). 70.51.9.9 (talk) 06:13, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Notice of Motion

I move:

that in the event that the motion to rename the article Nanyue to Nam Viet is passed, the said article shall be removed from Wikiproject China immediately and meaningful measures shall be implemented to enforce the said removal.

Seriously, whoever thought that the history of Nam Viet is part of the history of China is either ignorant or simply deluded. The simple fact is that all Viet peoples (including Cantonese and Hokkien peoples as well as many peoples living south of the Yangtze River) are not ethnically Chinese and will never will! Never ever! Seriously, the brutal acts committed by the genocidal Han Chinese against the Viet peoples arguably constitute one of the worst genocides in world history.
The rampant Sino-centric bias and nonsense must stop now. So it is time that editors stopped pretending that the Cantonese and other non-Vietnamese Viet peoples have little in common with the Vietnamese people. We need to start recognising the fact that all Viet peoples share a common history of armed resistance against the barbaric invaders from the north now. 122.109.121.9 (talk) 10:39, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

• Oppose. It is part of Chinese history, as well as that of Vietnam and 99 other non-Sinitic ethnic groups living in what is now mostly southern China (and a small part of Vietnam). The ruler of Nanyue, Zhao Tuo, was born in northern China, not the Red River Valley of Vietnam. Badagnani (talk) 16:32, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Is the user aware of the fact that Trieu Da of Nam Viet assimilated to Viet culture(s)? Is he also aware that the modern-day Vietnamese ethnic group is really a supra-ethnic identity that is meant to encompass a wide range of smaller and barely distinguishable ethnic groups (many of which did NOT originate in the Red River Valley and in fact originated from places like present-day Canton)? 122.105.146.201 (talk) 01:44, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

• Comment - So the claim is that all 100 of the Hundred Yue living in the yellow portion of this map were ethnolinguistically Vietnamese? That is quite a stretch, and quite untrue. The Hundred Yue encompassed Kam-Tai (Daic): Zhuang, Buyi, Dai, Sui (Shui), Kam (Dong), Hlai (Li), Mulam, Maonan, Ong-Be (Lingao), Thai, Lao, Shan, Hmong-Mien, and Vietnamese. Regarding Zhao Tuo's purported assimilation to the Vietnamese culture, that may have been possible had he been living in the Red River Valley; however, he lived in Panyu (today called Guangdong), which was inhabited by people similar to the Zhuang people. The Vietnamese language is Mon-Khmer while the Zhuang language is Tai-Kadai. In this light, your claims just don't make sense. Badagnani (talk) 01:53, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

• I was under the impression that 'Viet' is NOT a synonym for 'Vietnamese'. Since you are not the only one who seems to believe that 'Viet' means' 'Vietnamese', I think I need to make it clear that I say 'Viet', I mean 'Yue' as done in some other Wikipedia articles such as Nanyue and Yue (peoples). So I never claimed that Trieu Da assimilated to Vietnamese culture(s); I only claimed that he assimilated to one or more Yue (Viet) cultures. I wonder if the word 'Viet' has been hijacked to serve the ideologies of extremists (which apparently involves using the label 'Chinese' to smear as many non-Vietnamese Viet peoples as possible). 122.109.121.70 (talk) 11:22, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Note: The motion is void since the motion to rename Nanyue to Nam Viet has been negatived. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.109.121.70 (talk) 11:27, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

This motion makes no sense. Nam Viet was founded by a Chinese General, therefore it falls under the Military History of China. The descendant peoples of Nam Viet in part still populate southern China, therefore this falls under China. The area Nam Viet occupied is for the most part in China, so this falls under History of China. It's like saying that Roman Gaul isn't part of French history. 70.55.89.46 (talk) 12:20, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

From similar logic, it can be argued that Annam (Chinese Province) should not be part of WikiProject Vietnam, because it was a Chinese province. 70.55.87.181 (talk) 12:31, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Reversions by highly dynamic anon IP at Nanyue

See [2]. Badagnani (talk) 01:31, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Big problem at Nanyue

Repeated uncommented/non-consensus removal of map by anon IP here. Input, please. Badagnani (talk) 23:06, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Really need help

Please see the editor's contributions (including the creation of three maps made for strictly POV reasons). Badagnani (talk) 00:46, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Need help at Nanyue

Please see [3]. Thank you for any input or assistance. Badagnani (talk) 23:23, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

User Webster121 is clearly a sockpuppeteer. This user seems to alternate between a registered user and an annonymous IP editor, presumably becuase he thinks doing so would make it harder to catch him. If he thinks so, then he is wrong! Wherever Webster121's edits can be found, so can his sockpuppets.

For the record, I believe that 75.3.x.x, 75.7.x.x and 75.4.6.119 (and possibly others) are all sockpuppets of Webster121.

A number of other articles such as Yue (peoples) seem to have been targetted by the said user as well. 122.109.98.117 (talk) 00:56, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

"China" (PRC, ROC, ROC (Taiwan), Taiwan)

Hi. I'm guessing this is a well-worn issue, but I'd appreciate some feedback/advice/pointers on the various names for the country/countries in the region known as China. My understanding/suggestion is:

China	For non-political contexts and/or contexts whose scope extends from the present day back beyond 1912
People's Republic of China	For the country on "mainland China" since 1949
Republic of China	For the country with this name since 1912 and after 1948; or for the country with this name between 1912 and 1948..?
Republic of China (1912-1948)	Alternative to above for country known as the "Republic of China" between 1912 and 1948
Republic of China (Taiwan)	For the "Republic of China" since 1949 as distinct from 1912-1948; includes its more well-known (but technically ambiguous) name "Taiwan"
Taiwan (island)	For the island called "Taiwan" in historical / anthropological / non-political / etc contexts; alternatively, "Taiwan (island group)"..?

Sardanaphalus (talk) 10:05, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

I'd say "1949" instead of "1948". There was a ROC government on the mainland well into the autumn of 1949 even after the establishment of PRC in Beijing on October 1. HkCaGu (talk) 17:01, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

• Okay, 1949 it would be, then. Thanks. Sardanaphalus (talk) 17:32, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

No this has been discussed to death and certainly will not be accepted by many people. As well, this is being discussed on Talk:China. nat.utoronto 20:19, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

• Okay, I'll go there and see what is happening. From what you say, I'm thinking it might've been "discussed to death" but with no consensus resulting. Sardanaphalus (talk) 17:32, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Changes to the WP:1.0 assessment scheme

As you may have heard, we at the Wikipedia 1.0 Editorial Team recently made some changes to the assessment scale, including the addition of a new level. The new description is available at WP:ASSESS.

• The new C-Class represents articles that are beyond the basic Start-Class, but which need additional references or cleanup to meet the standards for B-Class.
• The criteria for B-Class have been tightened up with the addition of a rubric, and are now more in line with the stricter standards already used at some projects.
• A-Class article reviews will now need more than one person, as described here.

Each WikiProject should already have a new C-Class category at Category:C-Class_articles. If your project elects not to use the new level, you can simply delete your WikiProject's C-Class category and clarify any amendments on your project's assessment/discussion pages. The bot is already finding and listing C-Class articles.

Please leave a message with us if you have any queries regarding the introduction of the revised scheme. This scheme should allow the team to start producing offline selections for your project and the wider community within the next year. Thanks for using the Wikipedia 1.0 scheme! For the 1.0 Editorial Team, §hepBot (Disable) 22:08, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Are there any thoughts on this? Should we use the new assessment level?--Danaman5 (talk) 14:39, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Illegal image at Han Chinese

An image upload for use at Han Chinese has been found to have originated from a sockpuppet. Please check Talk:Han_Chinese for more information. David873 (talk) 13:34, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

March Tian Boedihardjo

Hello. I wondered whether anybody of you could check these two edits at March Tian Boedihardjo. I'm a bit worried because it's by an IP editor and the topic of the article is a child, so I feel it's important to do it right. The edit mentioned an article at appledaily as source, which I can't read because it's in Chinese and you need a subscription to access the whole article. Thanks. -- Jitse Niesen (talk) 21:47, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Chinese empire project?

There's now a Wikipedia: WikiProject British Empire... should there be one for the Chinese Empire... to cover things like old Mongolia, Outer Manchuria, the Ferengha Valley, etc. 70.55.85.143 (talk) 05:43, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Four Great Inventions of ancient China is being considered for deletion

The article on the Four Great Inventions of ancient China is being considered for deletion. Please post your thoughts on the AfD discussion page. --lk (talk) 09:27, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

The result was Keep, consensus is that this a valid topic and notable. --lk (talk) 06:42, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

CFM on Category:Overseas Chinese groups with Category:Chinese diaspora

Category:Overseas Chinese groups has been nominated for merger with Category:Chinese diaspora at WP:CFD. 70.55.84.243 (talk) 09:03, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Taiwanese (linguistics) FAR

Taiwanese (linguistics) has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 15:51, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Good lord! The page only has seven refs! --Ghostexorcist (talk) 21:03, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

That was my thought upon looking at it too. I wanted to help save this FA, but there's no way that I can dig up all the references it would need.--Danaman5 (talk) 08:08, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Help with Chinese economic statistics

Hello, I've been working on various articles about small Chinese cities. In the process, I've been trying to add information on the cities' economies. One thing that has thrown me off though is that when I try to use Google Language Tools to translate figures like "86.8亿元", it translates it as "8.68 billion yuan". Shouldn't it be "86.8 billion yuan"? Why does the decimal place get moved? Is this a bug in the translation software or is there something I don't know about Chinese numbers? I'm reluctant to use any of these figures until I can find out if the Google translation is accurate or not. Kaldari (talk) 17:07, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Nevermind, I figured it out. It's because 亿 isn't actually "billion", it's 100 million. Kaldari (talk) 17:16, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

I think this is the British usage. Or maybe the other way around -- numbers with that many zeroes confuse me! ch (talk) 18:05, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Wikiproject workgroup on Sino-Japanese-Korean relations

Wikiproject Sino-Japanese-Korean relations

I have proposed a Wikiproject workgroup on Sino-Japanese-Korean relations.

In my opinion, Wikipedia topics on Sino-Japanese-Korean topics all too often, and unfortunately, reflect the tense, exaggerated, embittered and often politically nationalistic debates currently prevalent in the popular presses of these three great nations.

In many case, these polemics are immature, propagandistic and unencyclopedic in nature and causes being promoted by unethical editing habits. Japanese-Korean topics appear to be amongst the more problematic topics on the Wikipedia.

At the same time, within each nation and academic circles there are moves to create pan-national understanding and document an accurate account of history. It is therefore proposed to establish a Sino-Japanese-Korean workgroup interested in establishing good working relations to improve the academic nature of these articles and encourage normal editing.

For the sakes of honesty and transparency, this pan-national workgroup was sincerely proposed precisely in response to the mode of operation used by many editors

Such wasteful activities as persistent allegations, personal attacks and other distractions from the primary activity of content production and reference checking only discouraging newcomers, less aggressive and, especially, genuine academics from participating on the Wikipedia. They undermine the goodwill of the Wikipedia.

It is hoped that by bring together authors from across the spectrum who are interested in rising above differences standards, understanding and sensitivity can be improved; just as they are in academia at present.

Your contribution is welcome. My apologies if it is not according to the protocols to make such announcements on other WikiProjects. --Ex-oneatf (talk) 05:37, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Template:Three Kingdoms warning

{{Three Kingdoms warning}} has been nominated for deletion. WP:TFD 70.51.8.103 (talk) 06:19, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Need Chinese

Need Chinese characters at Working People's Cultural Palace. Badagnani (talk) 04:00, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Done. Badagnani (talk) 04:18, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Spread of the printing press needs China information

The section on East Asia in Spread of the printing press is almost blank. Does anyone here know when the printing press was introduced to China and/or East Asia? lk (talk) 06:41, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

AFD proposal

See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mandarin Chinese profanity. Badagnani (talk) 16:45, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Requested moves of tai chi chuan-related articles

A number of requested moves of articles related to tai chi chuan, part of Category:T'ai Chi Ch'uan, are being discussed at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Martial arts. Please feel free to join the discussion there if interested. — AjaxSmack 00:55, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Help with a source

Hi - I was wondering whether someone here could tell me what kind of page this is? Specifically, is it being reported as news, or is it a forum post of some kind?

Any comments about Chinadotcom/CDC Corporation as a reliable source for news would also be welcome. --Rlandmann (talk) 01:37, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Looks like a propaganda/opinion piece presenting the view that China's (defensive) military force is much more powerful and high-tech than Western nations give them credit for, and harks back to China's magnificent military history of ancient times, etc. etc. Badagnani (talk) 02:03, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Heh - yes, I picked that up even through Google's machine translation. I was wondering, though, whether it was being presented as editorial content (ie, with china.com's imprimatur), or whether it's part of a reader-contributed forum of some sort? --Rlandmann (talk) 02:56, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Like you, I used Babelfish, so I'll defer to native speakers on your question. Badagnani (talk) 03:20, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Chinese wén rename

Chinese wén has again been nominated for renaming. 70.55.84.60 (talk) 08:12, 31 July 2008 (UTC)