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Candidate entries

Articles created/expanded on May 21

 
 

Articles created/expanded on May 20

 
Minor disclaimer re: COI, once in the past week I saw an editor mention WP:COI here because they were related to the subject of their article: Mr. Slade mentioned me in one of his books, not this one, and besides one or two emails, I have never met him. Thanks. —SusanLesch (talk) 22:52, 20 May 2008 (UTC)Reply
  • ... that World War II fighter ace Franz Barten is credited for shooting down a total of 55 enemy aircraft?

or,

(alt hook)*... that Major William Herwerth died while on duty as lighthouse keeper at Bluff Point Light in 1881? new, self nom TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 19:53, 20 May 2008 (UTC)Reply
  •   I think this is a POV. They are accused by who? Accused by Indian intelligence? Have they admitted to have a tie with ISI? If not, then why would a POV allegation be an interesting fact? --Ragib (talk) 18:18, 20 May 2008 (UTC)Reply
I agree that it is a loaded statement. Thus, I've changed the nom altogether. Vishnava(talk) 18:41, 20 May 2008 (UTC
New version *... that Bangladeshi intelligence agencies are responsible for gathering foreign intelligence, military intelligence as well as monitoring internal security? Vishnava(talk) 18:53, 20 May 2008 (UTC)Reply
The new version sounds fine by me. --Ragib (talk) 18:51, 20 May 2008 (UTC)Reply
Article as written seems to fail WP:Band notability tests. --Stlemur (talk) 18:44, 21 May 2008 (UTC)Reply

Articles created/expanded on May 19

  Currently up for AfD and therefore can't appear on the main page. I also unbolded the link to Morehouse College since it's not the new article. Olaf Davis | Talk 15:31, 21 May 2008 (UTC)Reply
  • ... that the baesuk is a Korean traditional fruit punch made by simmering slices of Korean pear, black peppercorns, ginger, honey or sugar, and water? -Self-nom--Appletrees (talk) 13:54, 20 May 2008 (UTC)Reply
    •   Nice article on a much needed area, but I am not sure about using another encyclopedia as a source. Wikipedia:Reliable_source_examples#History says: "General encyclopedias, like the Encyclopedia Britannica or Encarta, sometimes have authoritative signed articles written by specialists and including references. However, unsigned entries are written in batches by freelancers and must be used with caution." --BorgQueen (talk) 16:06, 20 May 2008 (UTC)Reply
      • ???? The references which you're mentioning are Korean encyclopedia with high credential in South Korea. The articles are written by a lot of Korean experts and scholars, not written by just some freelancers or bloggers. Since Korean cuisine is not introduced to the West as much as those of Chinese/Japanese/Vietnamese/Thai cuisines, English resources are scarce except well known dishes. If I create or expand Korean related articles to some quality from stubs, I have to use very good Korean sources. I think you mistake the hosted portals such as naver and empas with the main information providers from the encyclopedias; Doosan Encyclopedia, EncyKorea. Besides, even Korean branches of Britannica, or Pascal do not state writers' names on their articles but emphasize the brand name. I think it is a cultural difference, not arguable distrust. I don't see what is problem with my writing except minor grammatical errors.--Appletrees (talk) 16:49, 20 May 2008 (UTC)Reply
        • I was under the impression that general encyclopedias are not considered as best references, as it is written on the page I linked above. But I just realized that the page is not a guideline or policy... I suppose it is fine to use them as long as it does not contradict other sources. (No, I am not confusing those portals with the encyclopedias.) As I said, you've written a nice article. --BorgQueen (talk) 17:48, 20 May 2008 (UTC)Reply
 
 
 
 
 
This hook appears to be reporting some old sports news. Anything more interesting from this annual game? --74.14.17.166 (talk) 18:21, 20 May 2008 (UTC)Reply
 
 
Dow Ber Meisels
  •   294 character hook. Also, "between the divine Radha Krishna" doesn't make sense in English. Between the divine Radha Krishna and whom? The article implies "Radha Krishna" means "Radha and Krishna", but Americans don't know that, and they would assume Radha Krishna is one being. Art LaPella (talk) 00:38, 21 May 2008 (UTC)Reply

Articles created/expanded on May 18

 
Swiss Federal Palace
  Length and date confirmed. Reference exists in French, German and Italian - I think it confirms the hook but someone with more fluency in one of those might want to double-check. Olaf Davis | Talk 08:38, 21 May 2008 (UTC)Reply
  needs an inline citation per the Instructions. Date and length are fine. Olaf Davis | Talk 15:05, 21 May 2008 (UTC)Reply
 
Buckland Windmill
 
Brixton windmill
 
Thomas Jefferson Ramsdell
 
Rotunda Museum
 
All Saints Church, Patcham
 
Albert Memorial
Statue of Hippolyte Delaroche seated, Frieze Facing East
Statue of Hippolyte Delaroche seated, Frieze Facing East
 
I removed the image, because it is a non-free, which we can't use here. --BorgQueen (talk) 05:46, 18 May 2008 (UTC)Reply
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Articles created/expanded on May 17

File:Ardents.jpg
 
 
 

→Another Brighton & Hove church with three possible hooks: (self-nom)

  • ... that most of the interior of the 19th-century St Patrick's Church, Hove has been rebuilt as a 22-bed night shelter which includes "MiPods", a variation on the 1970s "sleep capsule" concept?
  • ... that the extent to which music was used in services in the early years at St Patrick's Church, Hove led to it being referred to mockingly as "Paddy's Music Hall"?
  • ... that the north window at St Patrick's Church, Hove—a memorial to its first curate, Dr James O'Brien, and his wife—was installed 14 years before they died?
Self-nom. I don't know if the ref is good for the first (it's to the shelter's charity's own website), although it's very interesting! The second is relatively unexciting. Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 23:05, 17 May 2008 (UTC)Reply
 
  Date, reference and length confirmed. I prefer the second hook. Olaf Davis | Talk 09:14, 21 May 2008 (UTC)Reply
  • ... that Oladevi, a dty whose worship may have originated in the Indus Valley Civilization, is revered as the goddess of cholera by both the Hindus and Muslims of Bengal? Vishnava (talk) 19:00, 17 May 2008 (UTC) - striking this old nomination in favor of a new one at the bottom of this thread, as per discussion. Vishnava(talk) 17:19, 20 May 2008 (UTC)Reply
    • Technically speaking, a person that worships multiple deities is a non-Muslim. I'm not saying that this religious practice is not a real social phenomena in Bengal, but it is an issue that is far more complex than the summarized sentence. Moreover, the two sources in the article stating that Muslims worship this deity are far from perfect (LOC document, and seemingly unsourced Banglapedia). --Soman (talk) 07:03, 20 May 2008 (UTC)Reply
      • I don't agree with your reasons - I personally know that what you say about the doctrine of Islam is correct, but as far as I can see, we can hardly pass judgment here on who is Muslim or not - that would be a violation of WP:NPOV and WP:NOT (my thinking). That statement is supported by sources from a scholarly book, US country study and Banglapedia - which is a reputed encyclopedia in its own right and has been used as a WP:RS in many articles here. Vishnava(talk) 15:54, 20 May 2008 (UTC)Reply
        • I think its important to differentiate between Islam as a religion and Muslims as a social community here. The link to the article Islam ('[[Islam|Muslims]]') in this case becomes a statement, namely that the wording would say that an apparent abomination of Islamic religious practice could be passed of as Islamic. I do agree that we should try to avoid going into classification schemes of our own (see for example the lengthy debate on who really is a communist at template talk:communism). But as far as theology goes, this is a quite simple case: Islam stresses before everything else the oneness of God, any polytheist practices are un-Islamic. --Soman (talk) 16:17, 20 May 2008 (UTC)Reply
        • I love the fact that there's a goddess of Cholera and would hate to see this get missed off DYK because of problems with the hook. How about this simpler version:
          ... that Oladevi is worshipped by people in Bengal as the goddess of cholera?
        • Or:
          ... that the worship of Oladevi, the goddess of cholera, has diminished in Bengal due to advances in medicine and sanitation. -- GDallimore (Talk) 16:46, 20 May 2008 (UTC)Reply
        • I've been asked by Vishnava to comment on this. Actually, Oladevi (or by other names) is part of a folk tradition in Bengal, irrespective of religion. While Muslims do not actually worship her, she is part of the folk culture shared by both Hindu and Muslims of rural Bengal. In fact, Cholera is called "Ola otha" (can't translate exactly, but sort of like the "spread of Ola"). I recommend using religion neutral wording, for example:
        • ... that Oladevi was revered in rural Bengal as the goddess of cholera?
        • Note the use of "was", "revered" instead of "worshipped", and "in rural Bengal" ... Oladevi isn't "worshipped", she was honored and feared, the traditions were prevalent in rural areas in the past (50 years ago??), and also in stead of using Bengali people as a whole, we should say it was a tradition in rural Bengal (which by the way includes some tribal population who are not Bengalis). Hope this solves the problems. --Ragib (talk) 17:10, 20 May 2008 (UTC)Reply
 
 
  Length and reference verified. Changed "only windmill in world" to "only windmill in England" to be consistent with source. Daniel Case (talk) 03:03, 21 May 2008 (UTC)Reply
  Length and reference verified. Daniel Case (talk) 03:01, 21 May 2008 (UTC)Reply
  Length and reference verified. Daniel Case (talk) 02:57, 21 May 2008 (UTC)Reply
 
  Length and reference verified. Daniel Case (talk) 02:55, 21 May 2008 (UTC)Reply
  Length and reference verified. Daniel Case (talk) 02:54, 21 May 2008 (UTC)Reply
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OR
  IMdB is not a reliable source. 02:50, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
  Length and reference verified. Daniel Case (talk) 02:49, 21 May 2008 (UTC)Reply
 
  Link points to main Google book page. Can it point to a specific page or quote the relevant text in the footnote? Daniel Case (talk) 02:47, 21 May 2008 (UTC)Reply

Articles created/expanded on May 16

 
 
There are few more days to expand the article. --PFHLai (talk) 02:51, 19 May 2008 (UTC)Reply
  Confirmed length and date; reference is offline but exists (The Times). Olaf Davis | Talk 14:40, 20 May 2008 (UTC)Reply
 
Mahadeva temple
  Which article? Please mark the DYK article in bold. Also, include a note pointing to the picture you have included. Thus, it should look like this:
  Length and reference verified. Daniel Case (talk) 20:36, 20 May 2008 (UTC)Reply
  Length and reference verified. Daniel Case (talk) 12:56, 20 May 2008 (UTC)Reply
*bangs head on wall* Thingg 22:42, 18 May 2008 (UTC)Reply
Alternative:
... that German mathematician Friedrich Heinrich Albert Wangerin wrote an important two volume treatise on potential theory and spherical functions, Theorie des Potentials und der Kugelfunktionen, in 1909 and 1921? Masterpiece2000 (talk) 06:03, 17 May 2008 (UTC)Reply
  Length and reference verified. Daniel Case (talk) 12:52, 20 May 2008 (UTC)Reply
Why can't it go on the main page? It's long enough and the ref checks out! (lol) Mjroots (talk) 14:42, 16 May 2008 (UTC)Reply
I've bolded the RFA instead of the log ;). Mjroots (talk) 14:46, 16 May 2008 (UTC)Reply
You've earned it with all of your hard work! Royalbroil 04:38, 21 May 2008 (UTC)Reply
 
Abdominal CT scan of a patient with subcutaneous emphysema
  Length and reference verified. Daniel Case (talk) 12:50, 20 May 2008 (UTC)Reply
Created this article especially to mark my 100th DYK.--Bedford 03:59, 16 May 2008 (UTC)Reply
Congrats on your 100th DYK (to be)! That is truly mind blowing. Minor thing: wouldn't it be "a Union Army patrol"? delldot talk 12:52, 17 May 2008 (UTC)Reply
Thanks, although I figured out last night that my 100th will actually be the Indiana State Parks one, which is suitable for 100 as well (I should have accredited myself with one I didn't.)--Bedford 15:55, 17 May 2008 (UTC)Reply
 
Victoria Hotel after cyclone, 1897
 
Samuel Huston
  Article mentions the county shift but not the change in political parties. Daniel Case (talk) 12:45, 20 May 2008 (UTC)Reply
  Hook reference doesn't look reliable to me - correct me if I'm wrong. Olaf Davis | Talk 08:22, 21 May 2008 (UTC)Reply
  Can the cited source's footnote be amended either to point to p. 31 of the book, or quote the relevant text if that's impossible? Daniel Case (talk) 12:42, 20 May 2008 (UTC)Reply
Fixed link, fixed the other ref so that there is now a link for it too. Loggie (talk) 15:52, 20 May 2008 (UTC)Reply

Expiring noms

Articles created/expanded on May 15

Which article? The359 (talk) 18:18, 15 May 2008 (UTC)Reply
I assume its the Woodhouse Grove School, but it doesn't look like this is a five-fold expansion within the last five days. BuddingJournalist 19:38, 15 May 2008 (UTC)Reply
  It does appear to be the Woodhouse article. I think it's skirting the edge of the 5-day rule (21stCenturyGreenstuff's edits to this article began on May 9th, but he really only reached 5x expansion today). However, the hook used here is poorly worded and uninteresting. It presents no unique factoid other than saying exactly what the school is. The359 (talk) 21:26, 15 May 2008 (UTC)Reply
Reads like an ad anyhow, I've tagged it accordingly. Gatoclass (talk) 07:55, 21 May 2008 (UTC)Reply
  Cited source for ranch size 404s; other one doesn't have a footnote. Daniel Case (talk) 13:50, 19 May 2008 (UTC)Reply
Also, ranches.org, which is used repeatedly in the article doesn't appear to be a reliable source to me.--Carabinieri (talk) 00:52, 21 May 2008 (UTC)Reply
  IMdB isn't an acceptable source for this sort of thing. Daniel Case (talk) 13:47, 19 May 2008 (UTC)Reply

Articles created/expanded on May 14

 
ALT:*... that the first head coach, Hall of Famer Punch Imlach, has the lowest winning percentage of any Sabres coach, with 0.370 during his 120-game tenure? « Milk's Favorite Cøøkie ( talk / contribs) 19:45, 19 May 2008 (UTC)Reply
  Article also currently has only 1400 chars of main body text by my count. Gatoclass (talk) 04:34, 20 May 2008 (UTC)Reply
 
  • Correct me if I'm wrong (I don't play in here too often) but I think only content is counted, not references, etc. If so, then the length went from a bit over 900 to under 3,300. If I'm splitting hairs, someone more experienced here please overrule because it's a much nicer article now. —Wknight94 (talk) 21:05, 14 May 2008 (UTC)Reply
Thanks, I goofed. I can live with that. I'm just happy the article is better, DYK would have been an added bonus. TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 21:30, 14 May 2008 (UTC)Reply
  Yeah, only a x3, sorry. Gatoclass (talk) 11:46, 19 May 2008 (UTC)Reply


  •   Hook is too specific for a general audience. "Nested irregular tuplets" will do, but you will also need a cite with a page number for that particular statement, even though there is only one reference. Gatoclass (talk) 12:05, 18 May 2008 (UTC)Reply
  • "Nested irregular tuplets" is fine. But isn't requiring a citation for something that's in the image of the score (in the article) and not interpretive, a bit like asking for a citation of "Lincoln had a beard" in an article with an image of Lincoln and a beard? I don't think it helps readers at all and not necessary for WP:V. -- Myke Cuthbert (talk) 14:56, 18 May 2008 (UTC)Reply
  • I don't quite think it's akin to "Lincoln had a beard", because for one thing everyone knows what a beard looks like but very few of us would know a "nested irregular tuplet" if we saw one. Furthermore a single example doesn't demonstrate that "nested irregular tuplets" are a feature of this piece, which is what the hook implies. So I do think you'd need a cite for this hook. If you don't have one, I think you should probably come up with a different hook that you can cite to a reliable source. Gatoclass (talk) 16:03, 18 May 2008 (UTC)Reply
  Even after bolding new article, it's way too short. Daniel Case (talk) 15:51, 18 May 2008 (UTC)Reply

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