Talk:Josep-Lluís Carod-Rovira

Su padre D. JOSÉ LUIS PEREZ ALMECIJA era número de la Guardia Civil y su madre se llama Dña. ELVIRA DIEZ ROVIRA. Ambos son MAÑOS (Zaragoza), aunque por razones del trabajo de su padre parece ser que él nació en la provincia de Teruel. Desde muy pequeños, los Pérez Diez se establecieran en Cambrils, donde estaba destinado el padre, guardia civil en tareas de vigilancia y protección de Tarragona. Los hijos estudiaron y crecieron en un ambiente españolista, los casernes - del francés caserne- las casas cuartel, pero pronto entran a tomar contacto con esos ambientes independentistas, gracias a que JOSE LUIS PEREZ DIEZ entra en el Seminario de Tarragona para formar parte del clero. JOSE LUIS abandona la sotana, y comienza a estudiar filología catalana, conoce y sale con una nieta de Rovira i Virgili (el que pronunció que existia una raza catalana) y se afilia al PSAN (Partit Socialista de liberación Nacional) al BEAN y después a Nacionalistas d´Esquerra). Se pone ROVIRA haciendo honor al abuelo de su prometida y CAROD para honrar la única lejana gota de sangre catalana que corren en algúna esquina de su madre. Su padre se retiró y se dedicó a pescar en Tarragona; el otro hermano, Juan de Dios, se puso como nombre de pila APEL.LES (en honor al poeta y escritor Apel.les Mestre) JOSÉ LUIS PEREZ ALMECIJA + ELVIRA DIEZ ROVIRA es igual a José Luis Pérez Diéz Almecija Rovira

Sin inventar nombres

Eso del nombre que dices no es verdad. Ha sido un rumor propagado por internet y completamente falso. Incluso lo han tratado en un programa especial en Tele 5 (poco trabajo tienen) y han llegado a la conslusión que es un rumor falso y que su nombre es realmente el que tiene y no otro. Tanto alboroto para descubrir esto... La verdad, no entiendo que habría pasado si se llamara de la forma que tu dices, sería menos independentista? Para ser independentista no hace falta tener los apellidos catalanes. Así pues, creo que tratánose de una enciclopedia con su prestigio, no se tiene que incluir este rumor infundado.

Qualsevol pot inventar-se el passat d´algú... si no es citen fonts fiables d´a on s´ha obtés eixa suposada informació de la seua família, no es pot garantir que no siguen fantasies ideades per sectors contraris a la seua persona per a desprestigiar la seua carrera política (amb una serie de falàcies ad hominem prou patètiques).Violenciafriki 22:37, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Surname information

I´ve removed the info about his supposed "fake" surnames because it was only a rumour that was spread through internet and it was shown on a TV program where they did a research about the topic that it was all false. Also it´s quite an indication it´s just a political motivated rumour that someone happened to delete all the talk page where we were talking about it (albeit in spanish and catalan), isn´t it? Violenciafriki 22:42, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Removed the whole "surname controversy" as it is clearly unfounded. He has repeteadly stated that his joint surname he changed because of admiration for poet Bartomeu Rosselló-Pòrcel. Also, in an article in the Avui newspaper, his family denounced the whole "controversy" as being unfounded and driven only by political intentions. There are NO credible sources for the whole "He changed his surnames to keep the appearance of catalan racial purity" phallacy, so I don't know why should we list any rumour here 147.156.10.136 06:26, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

It's absolutely false that the real surname of Carod-Rovira is Pérez Rovira. This big mistake should be corrected as fast as possible. The surname of this catalan politician is Carod-Rovira, and no discussion is possible about that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.83.137.103 (talk) 16:42, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

"Colla" - Translation

According to the ‘Gran Enciclopèdia Catalana’, a ‘colla’ is “an ensemble of persons who join together deliberately and freely“. I would therefore translate ‘colla’ as ‘group’ or ‘club’ (a group that meets periodically for a shared activity), rather than ‘association’. Any opinions before I make the change? YuriBCN 07:36, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Spanish politician

Carod Rovira is a Spanish politicians. He has Spanish passport and Spanish identity card so that he is Spanish. It's easier to locate the personage identifying it for his nationality. Regards. --Kurrop 21:04, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

It is no necessary to state the official nationality in the opening of the article, there are no Wikipedia polices about that. For instance, Alex Salmond and Kris Peeters have British and Belgian passports (respectively), but they are introduced as Scottish and Flemish. Calling Carod a Catalan politician is more NPOV as he has stated many times that he does not "feel" Spanish and helps the reader to understand his political views. --SMP - talk (en) - talk (ca) 11:41, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

As the saying goes: two wrongs (Salmond and Peeters) never make one right (Carod Rovira, in this case). I may understand the zeal of Catalan nationalists in getting the word "Spain" out of this article, but this article is for the whole community of wikipedians, which is quite extense and with a world wide audience.

Of course you do, SMP, but, believe it or not, not everybody knows where Catalonia is (shame on them, of course). Actually, not everybody knows where Spain is (even though, as the battle field grows wider, more people get the idea without having to be experts...), but, in any case, as Kurrop mentions, "Spanish" is his legal status and that should be enough, because a serious encyclopaedia (and wikipedia is supposed to be one of those), has to stick to the cold facts as much as possible. In other words, while "the way he feels" may be of importance here, this fact doesn't turn the whole article into some sort of Carod-Rovira's autobiography whatsoever. This is still an independently written article.

On the other side, even though I may dispute it (because wikipedia is supposed to be merely informative and should be neutral) I think the Catalan nationalists zeal is already honoured by mentioning roughly 18 times the word "Catalan/a" (besides some additional, reassuring, four or five "Catalonia"s). Therefore, a single (1) mention of Spain/Spanish can't be disputed if we are to remain neutral, and we are supposed to remain neutral here.

If other words, there's no reason to hide an obvious fact (why hide in an encyclopaedia? wasn't this just about the opposite idea?) specially when this fact is perfectly relevant and vital to contextualize the article, for, for example, if his party is asking for independence, man, at least we have the right to know from who they want independence, right?)-

Hiding cold and important facts like this one is nothing but censorship and, thus, completely unacceptable.

Mountolive | Talk 02:28, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Amen! --Maurice27 11:03, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

I find your solution, Moutolive, very reasonable. I understand also the position of SMP in front of the disruptive behaviour of Kurrop, who made the changes without discussing and, when he was requested to do it, he wanted just to impose his POV. As I said, I find this solution ok.--Xtv - (my talk) - (que dius que què?) 00:01, 7 November 2007 (UTC)