Talk:Luigi Mangione

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 18:56, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

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• ... that following his December 2024 arrest for murder, Luigi Mangione was described as "somewhat of an online sex symbol"? Source: https://time.com/7201952/luigi-mangione-internet-myths-essay/
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/A Nail Clipper Romance
  • Comment: Driveby nom, will need to stabilise.

Created by Liamashron (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 262 past nominations.

Launchballer 13:41, 21 December 2024 (UTC).

• New enough, long enough, hook fact is interesting and well supported. Biography section would do with merging. Earwig is not happy, and looking at the results I feel like bits and bobs could be better paraphrased.  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 17:15, 21 December 2024 (UTC)but that's beyond the DYK purview.

Earwig is picking up a lot of false positives because of the volume of quotes used in the article. I believe I've fixed all the ones that don't come under WP:LIMITED. The first four body paragraphs are all now one.--Launchballer 14:15, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

• Yes, I did sift through it before marking my concerns here. I rephrased one more, but it's looking better. Good to go. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 14:25, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Image is NOT approved, however; it is currently at FFD, and very much will end up deleted. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 14:26, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Polling

Mb2437, since you've been repeatedly copy and pasting and duplicating the polling information from Killing of Brian Thompson to this article, a biography of a living person (which has higher inclusion standards), please note that some of the polls don't explicitly ask about "Mangione", they ask about the "killer". At this point in the case, he's presumed innocent of the killing. So if these opinion polls are careful to avoid explicitly naming him, then they don't belong in this article--only polls that explicitly name him do. Also note this article is about the person (Luigi Mangione, a WP:BLP), not the event (Killing of Brian Thompson), so what respondents think of the killing itself doesn't belong in this article, especially the lead--readers can already read all of that in the Killing of Brian Thompson article, which is already linked in the lead and the body. Some1 (talk) 13:34, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

It's merely an attempt to rectify a blatant undue weight issue in this article that reads as propaganda, calling him a "folk hero" to "many" which several polls suggest is vastly untrue. MB2437 19:50, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Not if you look at under-30s Catboy69 (talk) 16:45, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

15–29 year olds make up 23.9% of the adult U.S. population, a slight majority in that age range does not prove due weight when the other 76.1% disagree... MB2437 16:55, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

"Christ" image from one pizzeria

There is currently a "Christ"-like image of Mangione in the Luigi_Mangione#In_popular_culture section. Should this image be removed since Twitter/X is currently the source supporting it being on the article right now? Iljhgtn (talk) 19:52, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

I also don't understand why this image is being kept, clearly going against Wikipedia's Source Code, using tweet as source??? In addition to being unnecessary for the article, after all, there is already a photo of a graffiti demonstrating the "Deny, Defend, Depose", which can already be considered as "popular culture" if you want to consider it that way.

It doesn't make sense to post an edited photo made in AI at a specific pizzeria in his city, as something from "popular culture", in addition to being unnecessarily offensive and demonstrating bias and sympathy of the article towards the individual in question, where it should be an unbiased article. WolfenSkin (talk) 22:07, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

No need to get mad, the image has just been found to be copyright infringement and is going to be deleted soon anyway. ~ IvanScrooge98 (talk) 22:49, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

Well it has been removed from the article for now. I don't think anyone was "get[ting] mad", just it clearly did not pass muster for inclusion on this article in the first place, regardless of "copyright infringement" or not. Iljhgtn (talk) 01:08, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

My bad, I had replied to the wrong user. Should have toned the wording down though, sorry. ~ IvanScrooge98 (talk) 01:17, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Why is this page not extended protected???

The healthcare ceo assassination is still *very* controversial. I think to prevent vandalism and for how recent this still is to make this page extended protected. Danhentschelfanboy (talk) 02:34, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Pages are not protected unless there is a demonstrated need (WP:PREEMPTIVE). Johnuniq (talk) 02:40, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

New York Post Presents: Luigi Mangione Monster or Martyr?

new documentary was just released recently. 🐦DrWho42👻 09:42, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Infobox image

The current infobox image is pending deletion at the Commons [1]; if the image gets deleted, feel free to use this image [2] for the article's infobox, which was uploaded with a non-free use rationale. (The image could use some cropping but I'm not sure how to do that.) Some1 (talk) 14:17, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Unused non-free images normally get deleted quite quickly in days, so either use it or it'll be deleted. Images can be cropped simply using Paint (should be free with Windows). GIMP can also be used but it's unnecessary (not worth installing the software for a simple crop). Hzh (talk) 15:13, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

I tried adding the image to the article but it got removed twice due to the assumption that the current infobox image is "free." Do you know how quickly Commons deletion discussions usually get closed?

Wabbuh, since you cropped the current infobox image, do you want to crop this one too [3] and replace the current infobox image (which has dubious copyright status) with this one which has a NFU rationale? Some1 (talk) 15:48, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

I don't follow their deletion discussion closely, but I think discussion may be closed a week (or sooner) after nomination if the result is clear. The mugshot of Luigi Mangione was deleted after around a week of discussion (or not too long afterward) if I remember correctly. Some discussions however are not closed weeks or months after nominations if people are not interested in discussing them or the result unclear. It's always best to wait until discussion is closed there before unloading here as a non-free file. Therefore there is also no point in cropping the file now, do it after the Commons files are deleted. Hzh (talk) 17:30, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for the information, Hzh. The deletion discussion has been opened for a week now, but in case the file I uploaded does get deleted before the discussion formally closes, I'll just note here for the record that I got the image from this website: https://www.wypr.org/wypr-news/2024-12-10/luigi-mangiones-family-is-shocked-and-devastated-as-hes-formally-charged-with-murder.

It's a photo of Mangione taken at the Altoona, PA police station following his arrest on December 9. The author or copyright owner is the Pennsylvania State Police. I would prefer that if others do upload a non-free file (with a non-free use rationale) of Mangione that they use that photo of him and not the typical mugshot-style ones (the ones where he's in the orange or blue) as those might come off as inappropriate for a BLP when he's not convicted yet. Some1 (talk) 18:11, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

I uploaded a cropped version, hope it looks OK. I don't know how long that file will stay there, because it can be argued that it is replaceable, so people might try to delete it. Hzh (talk) 21:26, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Thanks! Your version looks much better. Some1 (talk) 21:32, 5 January 2025 (UTC)