Wikipedia talk:Did you know
Error reports Please do not post error reports for the current Main Page template version here. Instead, post them to Wikipedia:Main Page/Errors. Error reports relating to the next two queues to be promoted can also be posted to ERRORS. If you post an error report on one of the queues here, please include a link to the queue in question. Thank you. |
DYK queue status
Current time: 04:55, 30 September 2024 (UTC) Update frequency: once every 24 hours Last updated: 4 hours ago() |
This is where the Did you know section on the main page, its policies, and its processes can be discussed.
Special occasion idea: Olympics
Discussion on Olympics
Extended content
|
---|
Remembering that we did themed sets for the FIFA Women's World Cup last year, I thought of an idea for a themed set of hooks: the 2024 Summer Olympics take place from July 26 to August 11 this year (in a little over five weeks) and I think there will probably be a decent number of Olympics-related hooks; I at least plan to write a good number of them. I was thinking we might be able to do something like one Olympics hook per day for the duration of the event, similar to how we did for the FIFA World Cup. Thoughts? BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:16, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
Some related considerations:
All the Olympic-related hooks that I could spot are in the table below. Schwede66 03:52, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
Just noting here that Zhang Ziyu has been nominated. Whilst she does play basketball and China is competing in that discipline at in Paris, she's not (yet?) a member of the China women's national basketball team. Hence, we could use this as another warmup hook. Schwede66 05:01, 7 July 2024 (UTC) Could somebody please review Draft:Adam Maraana? The review could double as a QPQ, as the intention of the IP editor is to have this run as part of the Olympics. Schwede66 06:15, 8 July 2024 (UTC) Red-tailed hawk, is there a good reason why you pulled the Solomon Islands at the 2020 Summer Olympics hook out of the special occasion holding area (SOHA) and put it into prep 4? Because if there isn't a good reason, I'd like to see this reverted. Schwede66 00:49, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
Some of the Olympic hooks need a bit more attention from reviewers, or nominators are dragging the chain with QPQs. For example, Prep 1 is already filled but there's still one hook that awaits its QPQ. Prep 2 is filling up but a review for this nomination hasn't even been started yet. I'd be happy to do some shuffling but there's nothing really to shuffle this with; further down, the hooks are all timed for particular occasions. Shifting items back into the Olympics proper is also tricky as almost all days have two or three items already. I'd most appreciate if those who can stand reviewing sports articles can give this some attention. Schwede66 09:32, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
Here's a summary of how many hooks we've got, and when they are scheduled to run (note that the table has been shifted to the section "Help needed"): As can be seen:
Therefore, we have to agree whether we would be happy with three Olympic-related hooks per set. Delaying Olympic-related hooks that are already approved is definitely not helping. Schwede66 22:49, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
SL93, Lorrane Oliveira was for Prep6, not Prep5. Schwede66 00:43, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
We currently have four hooks for 29 July / Prep6; this is the next prep set that will become available. That sounds too many, however, only one of those hooks is currently at SOHA. One hook, a swimmer starting for Israel, hasn't had the review started yet. There may well be a reluctance to "touch" anything Israel, so this might not make it. The two other hooks are both awaiting BeanieFan11 to provide a QPQ. Thus, at this point in time, we only have one viable hook from four candidates. When Prep6 becomes available, I'll thus bring one of the "foo at the YYYY Summer Olympics" hooks forward so that we've at least got two hooks to go. Schwede66 20:14, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
|
Proposal
Extended content
|
---|
The Paris Olympics will be kicking off on 26 July 2024 with an opening ceremony in the early evening. Event competitions start two days earlier on 24 July with association football and rugby sevens. The closing ceremony (article yet to be written!) is on 11 August. That's 19 days of Olympics and as suggested above, we could run Solomon Islands at the 2020 Summer Olympics as a warmup just before that period.
There'll be some special date requests coming in and to avoid filling up individual hook sets with too much sport, I suggest we co-ordinate what will run when to spread things out in a logical fashion. I suspect that we'll stay in a 24-hour cycle for the duration of the event but if that changes, we can accommodate that as well. Time zone–wise, Paris is currently at UTC+02:00 (Central European Summer Time or CEST), hence there are no mental gymnastics necessary as long as we stay in the 24-hour cycle. Comments welcome. Helpers are welcome and essential; I certainly don't want to do this all by myself as this was quite a bit of work some three years ago for the Tokyo Olympics. And with regards to my own special interests, I shall tell you that the Kiwi rowers are in good shape; I can hear the medals clinking already! Schwede66 01:20, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
|
Help needed
Suggested date | Q / Prep | Hooks 18 Jul | Hooks 19 Jul | Hooks 21 Jul | Hooks 3 Aug | Hooks 4 Aug |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
21-Jul | Queue5 | 2 | 2 | 2 | ||
22-Jul | Queue6 | 2 | 2 | 2 | ||
23-Jul | Queue7 | 2 | 2 | 2 | ||
24-Jul | Queue1 | 2 | 2 | 2 | ||
25-Jul | Queue2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | ||
26-Jul | Queue3 | 2 | 2 | 3 | ||
27-Jul | Queue4 | 2 | 2 | 2 | ||
28-Jul | Queue5 | 3 | 3 | 3 | ||
29-Jul | Queue6 | 2 | 4 | 3 | ||
30-Jul | Queue7 | 3 | 3 | 5 | ||
31-Jul | Queue1 | 3 | 3 | 2 | ||
1-Aug | Queue2 | 2 | 2 | 3 | ||
2-Aug | Queue3 | 2 | 2 | 2 | ||
3-Aug | Queue4 | 2 | 3 | 2 | 4 | |
4-Aug | Queue5 | 1 | 2 | 2 | 3 | 3 |
5-Aug | Queue6 | 2 | 2 | 1 | 3 | 3 |
6-Aug | Queue7 | 2 | 2 | 1 | 2 | 3 |
7-Aug | Prep1 | 2 | 2 | 1 | 2 | 2 |
8-Aug | Prep2 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 2 |
9-Aug | Prep3 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 2 | 2 |
10-Aug | Prep4 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 |
11-Aug | Prep5 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 |
Extended content
|
---|
Just a heads up that I've got a week of little available time coming up:
After that, things should be back to normal. Hence, it might be a good idea if others take the lead. Kingsif, you were asking whether there's something where you could help – here's your chance. Last time, Joseph2302 did a lot of good work – would you be interested to step up? What needs doing? Here's a hopefully complete list:
If I think of anything else, I'll add that to the list. It's reasonably late in the process (the first competitions will start tomorrow) and all the structural issues are sorted. It just needs some low-level maintenance at this point. Schwede66 23:05, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
Hadi Tiranvalipour (nom) is supposed to be in prep 1, which is the next prep to be moved to queue. Problem is that the review hasn't been started yet. Any takers? Schwede66 00:44, 2 August 2024 (UTC) Ada Korkhin (nom) is a rather late nomination. It's worth getting this one into the system because it comes with a stunner of a hook! Schwede66 11:42, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
@Schwede66: Probably too short notice, but might as well ask: would it be possible to feature Template:Did you know nominations/Jamal Valizadeh on August 5? BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:33, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
I've just added Minna Stess to the table below for 11 August. Schwede66 10:06, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
|
And another late candidate for 7 August: Jesse Grupper (nom) Schwede66 09:02, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- Just needs the final tick from Narutolovehinata5 (it seems ready) and then it's good to go. Schwede66 01:57, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
I think this is the last nomination that I shall add here, and it's my own. Finn Butcher (nom). Could even be used as the lead hook, as we have a series of nice photos. Schwede66 01:55, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- Now at SOHA. Thanks! Schwede66 10:01, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
Olympic hooks table
On the "Approved" page, there is now a heading Olympics: Special occasion holding area.
Hooks that have been published, not including current MP
| ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
|
Article (nom) | Requested | Suggested date | Prep set | Notes (all times in CEST) | Status |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
Jenya Kazbekova (nom) | 6/8 August | 6 August | Queue 7 | Kazbekova is due to compete in women's combined sport climbing, with semifinals for the two competition elements (boulder and lead) split over two days: 6 & 8 August. Hence, this can run on either date. | published |
Zheng Haohao (nom) | none | 6 August | Queue7 | Zheng is due to compete in women's park skateboarding on 6 Aug. | published |
1964 Summer Olympics medal table (nom) | None | 6 August | Queue7 | Can run whenever. If Jamal Valizadeh gets signed off before Q6 goes live, we'll shift this backwards. | published |
Ruby Remati (nom) | None | 7 August | Queue 1 | The team artistic swimming event will be held on 5, 6, and 7 August. The hook could run on any of those days. | in queue |
Hadi Tiranvalipour (nom) | none | 7 August | Queue 1 | Tiranvalipour is set to competed in the men's 58 kg taekwondo on 7 August. | In queue |
Jesse Grupper (nom) | 7 August | 7 August | Queue 1 | Grupper is going to compete in the lead semifinal of the men's combined rock climbing. That date is not far away but if we can get this reviewed in a hurry, it'll fit into that date alright as we've only got other other nominations (on most days, we have three). | Under review |
Emmanuella Atora (nom) | 8 August | 8 August | Queue 2 | Atora is due to compete in women's 57 kg taekwondo (assuming that she's still in this weight class). The competition is to be held on 8 August. | in queue |
Sarah Levy (rugby union) (nom) | None | 8 August | Queue 2 | Can run whenever. | in queue |
Manizha Talash (nom) | none | 9 August | Prep 3 | Breaking or breakdancing is a new sport. Who would have known. The competition for females is on 9 August. | in prep |
Logan Edra (nom) | none | 9 August | Prep3 | Here's our second female breakdancer. Any chance of combining the two hooks? | in prep |
Sunny Choi (nom) | 9 August | 9 August | Prep 3 | Well, that's our third female breakdancer. We really shouldn't have three individuals hooks for breakdancers on the same day. I've suggested a hook with this nomination and propose that we close the other two nominations and transfer the credits across. | in prep |
Iman Mahdavi (nom) | none | 9 August | Prep 3 | Mahdavi is set to compete in the men's freestyle 74 kg wrestling, with the qualification round on 9 August. As we'll combine the breaker hooks, this is only the second hook for that day. | Review not yet started |
Gaku Akazawa (nom) | none | 10 August | Prep 4 | Akazawa is going to compete in the men's freestyle wrestling 65 kg, with the event scheduled to start on 10 August. | in prep |
Alasan Ann (nom) | none | 10 August | Prep 4 | Ann is going to compete in the men's taekwondo +80 kg, with all events scheduled for 10 August. | in prep |
Kennedy Blades (nom) | none | 10 August | Prep 4 | Blades is going to compete in the women's freestyle wrestling 76 kg, with the event scheduled to start on 10 August. | in prep |
Ada Korkhin (nom) | none | 11 August | Prep 5 | The women's 25 metre pistol competition is already underway and will finish on 3 August. Hence, this can run whenever. Currently scheduled for the closing ceremony date. | in prep |
Minna Stess (nom) | none | 11 August | Prep 5 | Stess is set to compete in the women's park skateboarding event on 6 August. There are three hooks in Queue7 already, which will be published on that day. One of those—1964 Summer Olympics medal table—could theoretically be shifted back, but I've done enough hook shuffling lately. If it gets signed off in time, I shall defer to another admin to make it happen on that day. The alternative day that I've picked here is the day of the closing ceremony; that involves a lot less effort to make this happen. | in prep |
Finn Butcher (nom) | 11 August | 11 August | Prep 5 | "The Butcher" has unexpectedly won the gold medal in the inaugural men's slalom kayak cross. As such, he has a good chance of being picked as New Zealand's flagbearer, making this a good hook for the closing ceremony date. | At SOHA |
- ... that some estimate that maintenance of existing software costs up to nine times as much as creating it in the first place?
This hook was run yesterday. I logged a bunch of issues at WP:ERRORS but it scrolled off before they were resolved. They included:
- The hook is not a definite fact which is unlikely to change
- It is introduced by a weasel
- The hook was not clearly stated in the article
- The source which supposedly supported the hook did not pass verification
- The first hook suggested in the nomination didn't pass verification either
My impression is that this didn't go well because the source wasn't clearly identified, was behind a paywall and wasn't quoted. Note that the nomination was professional paid work and so one would expect a high standard. So it goes...
WP:ERRORS discussion
|
---|
This is another blatant weasel – who estimates this? And it's obviously not a "definite fact which is unlikely to change" as there are a range of estimates. The hook discussion started with the figure of "three times" and it appears that such estimates are unreliable because the article repeatedly says that the topic has not been well-studied. Other issues include:
Andrew🐉(talk) 06:28, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
|
Andrew🐉(talk) 14:10, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- It's not clear what you expect to happen here. If there's problems with the article, go fix them, or discuss them on the article's talk page. If you have a problem with the nom accepting money, take it up with them. They were totally up-front about it (which puts them ahead of like 99.9% of our paid editors) and sounds like it more or less falls under WP:GLAM. If you just want to complain about the fact that DYK's quality control isn't as good as it should be, I agree, but our energy would be better spent working on upcoming noms than wringing our hands about yesterday's. RoySmith (talk) 14:52, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- I have considerable experience of software maintenance and, when this is done professionally, issues are normally logged when they arise. This provides an audit trail and record which then enables further action, lessons-learned and so forth. I gather there's some sort of DYK reform process underway per Wikipedia:Did you know/Removed/2023–24. And, in any case, there's an implicit continual improvement process and the first requirement for that is feedback. Such feedback is best done here because WP:ERRORS is ephemeral and keeps no records.
- As for the article in question, I was thinking of starting a good article reassessment but first I'll have to read through it again and mull over its issues. I can already see that it has some but it will take time and effort and nobody is paying me to do this.
- As for upcoming noms, I have one myself and there's no shortage of other things to do. "Excelsior!"
- Andrew🐉(talk) 17:32, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Browsing this talk page now I'm here, I notice that problems with this hook were noticed 6 days ago – see Prep_5 above. In that discussion, Black Kite says
"This hook doesn't work. Even if we assume that the book source is correct (which I can't check)..."
So, right there we see the problem of being unable to access the source upon which the hook depended. You can't conduct a sensible discussion if you can't see the details. Relevant quotations should be mandatory in such cases. - Another structural problem is the habit of naming such sections with names like "Prep 5" rather than with an article name. There are currently two sections on this page called "Prep 5" and this is both confusing and lacking in context about the actual topic(s). I named this current section "Software maintenance" because that is the name of the topic. How hard is that?
- Andrew🐉(talk) 19:41, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Andrew Davidson, you reported somewhere a while back that every morning, you read the main page and dive into some of the topics to see what's written is actually correct. And you unearth numerous problems by doing so. I very much appreciate your efforts and applaud you for doing this good work.
- The only downside is that when you go through your breakfast routine, items are already live. How much more useful would it be if you offered your wonderful service before things appear on the main page? Are you aware that Wikipedia:Main Page/Tomorrow offers you the main page a day in advance? I wonder whether if you could slightly adjust your routine and read that page instead? Your work is much appreciate, and having your feedback and thoughts 24 hours earlier would be immensely valuable. Schwede66 20:22, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- I wasn't aware of the Wikipedia:Main Page/Tomorrow link and might give it a try, thanks. I'm not sure how accurate it is though. Most of my main page activity currently is for the WP:ITN section and that is updated continuously rather than on a daily schedule. And how does the tomorrow view deal with DYK when the hook sets only last for 12 hours?
- The actual main page is always likely to get the lion's share of attention because it's the default view when I go to the Wikipedia site or load the Wikipedia app. If one starts looking at other pages then one is literally not on the same page and that seems quite lonely. Is there a talk page or noticeboard associated with the tomorrow view? That might help in building a community of forward-looking reviewers.
- Andrew🐉(talk) 20:52, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
how does the tomorrow view deal with DYK when the hook sets only last for 12 hours?
If I had my druthers, we would take the whole idea of 12-hour updates and nuke it from orbit. It is antithetical to improving quality. Anybody can shovel manure twice as fast, but I'm not willing to play that game.- I also come from a software engineering background; bug trackers, post-mortems, standup meetings, OKRs, pagers, the whole smash. The advantage of my "job" at wikipedia is if I don't feel like working, I just don't, and I don't have to tell anybody why, nor do I have to justify that I didn't get done what I thought I would get done this quarter. RoySmith (talk) 22:22, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- If I recall, at one time, it was set-times of six hours. Alanscottwalker (talk) 22:37, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- It was before my time, but yes I remember back when DYK used to do four sets a day (and also had the "from Wikipedia's newest content" flavor text). Do we have the discussions that led to the retirement of both? By the time I started my DYK career in 2016 it was already down to two sets a day at most. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:03, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- If I recall, at one time, it was set-times of six hours. Alanscottwalker (talk) 22:37, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- on WP:ERRORS, there are links to the current, next, and next-but-one DYK, regardless of cycle length :) also, yes, let's not do 12-hour sets anymore. Instead, we should do one set per day of eight to nine hooks and they should all be bangers. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 01:38, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- I think I've said this before, but I'd be in favour of going back to a standard eight-hook, 24-hour set. If WP:PEIS limits at WP:DYKNA become an issue, we can just reject some older nominations. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 10:31, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry for the late reply, Andrew Davidson. You asked two questions:
I'm not sure how accurate it is though. Most of my main page activity currently is for the WP:ITN section and that is updated continuously rather than on a daily schedule.
Tomorrow's view displays the current status of ITN, hence it's as "accurate" as browsing the live main page.And how does the tomorrow view deal with DYK when the hook sets only last for 12 hours?
It doesn't, but neither do you capture the other hook set during 12-hour modes when you are doing your review over breakfast.
- I hope that's helpful. Schwede66 03:39, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- The way DYK works is sets are put together in the prep areas and then promoted to the queues as a group, at least a few days before it's scheduled to hit the main page. In theory, once a set hits a queue, it's done. In practice, hooks do occasionally get shuffled around in the queues, but that's relatively rare. Hooks also occasionally get pulled after they hit the main page, but that's extremely rare and an indication that we screwed up big time.
- TLDR: DYK scheduling is less chaotic than ITN, but still not carved in stone. RoySmith (talk) 13:56, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
@Arcahaeoindris, CanonNi, and Hey man im josh:
There is an uncited sentence in the article, which I have indicated with a cn tag. This should be resolved before it goes on the Main Page. Z1720 (talk) 19:26, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Z1720 It is still uncited, and this queue is next up. SL93 (talk) 18:22, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- I don't have a WSJ subscription so I can't get to the full text, but the google search results suggest it should have been Vater, Tom (27 May 2010). "Modern Masterpieces". The Wall Street Journal, which is currently ref #6. RoySmith (talk) 18:31, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
@Whispyhistory, Philafrenzy, Launchballer, and SL93:
- ... that after British Sikh physician Parvinder Shergill could not find a recent mainstream English film led by a woman that resembled her, she co-wrote and co-produced her own?
The article says, "According to British Sikh physician Parvinder Shergill, after Bend It Like Beckham, she could not find another mainstream English film led by a woman that looked like her so she made her own and titled it Kaur." If Shergill said that she found someone who looked like her in BILB, then the hook used for DYK needs to be modified. If the hook is referring to a struggle to find a depiction of a woman in a turban, then this should be specified in the article. Z1720 (talk) 19:35, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- I think the key word might be "recent". Bend It Like Beckham is from 22 years ago. SL93 (talk) 20:40, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Z1720 Would rewording the article to say "after Bend It Like Beckham in 2002" fix the issue? SL93 (talk) 23:37, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
PEIS limit at WP:DYKN
The latest nominations at WP:DYKN are no longer transcluding because it has reached its WP:PEIS limit. I have sent some pings to editors to try to get some nominations moving. Last time this happened, we activated the backlog mode where editors with over 20 noms had to QPQ an extra hook. Here's a link to that discussion.
Is it time to activate the backlog mode for DYKN? Z1720 (talk) 20:27, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- I think so. SL93 (talk) 20:42, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) We're in the unusual position of having reached the PEIS limit on both the Nominations and the Approved pages: two nominations aren't transcluding on Nominations, and five on Approved. We also have three and a half unfilled preps and three unfilled queues. If we can get a couple of additional preps filled, and some reviews completed, both pages would be under the PEIS limit. There's been an unusual spike in nominations over the past six days: we've gone from 253 to 303 total nominations, and 122 to 137 approved nominations (both numbers including the noms that aren't transcluding). Some of this is almost certainly due to the current GAN backlog drive and the increased number of new GAs eligible for nomination; the drive ends in a few hours, and as the last of the reviews are completed over the next week or so, the stream of DYK noms will slow. If things aren't better in a week or so—if the number of unapproved DYKs goes much higher than 166—then we might want to look into reactivating backlog mode. I think today is too soon. BlueMoonset (talk) 20:44, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Hopefully more editors can chip in on promoting to bring it down. SL93 (talk) 20:46, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- And now we have only one full prep. SL93 (talk) 03:14, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- To inject a bit of mathematical reality here, WP:DYKN, WP:DYKNA and WP:DYK/Q collectively constitute a closed system with a finite capacity. Things like backlog mode only serve to shuffle the deck chairs around a bit faster, but don't change the fundamental capacity of the system. Noms come in at whatever rate they come in at. Noms go out by one of two routes; the main page or rejection.
- If the input rate exceeds the output rate long enough, we exhaust our storage capacity of ((2 x PIES) + (14 queues and preps x 9 hooks each) + whatever PIES overload we're willing to put up with). Rearranging deck chairs doesn't change that. We seem to have consensus that we don't want to go to a 12 hour cycle, so the only thing left is to get more ruthless about rejections per WP:DYKTIMEOUT. RoySmith (talk) 23:08, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- I'm still hoping for more promoters. There are nominations that likely sit around not because they are problematic, but because we have barely any editors promoting. That work can be spread out, but I kept on hearing from editors that they are afraid of being called out for making mistakes. I see no problem in being called out. SL93 (talk) 23:18, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- Speaking of deck chairs, I was going to promote a prep area just now, but the next one is Prep 2 and it's not complete. Oddly enough Prep 3 is full, but I don't think it's possible to promote preps out of order. RoySmith (talk) 23:25, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- It appears to be because of the problematic special occasion hook at Template:Did you know nominations/Sarah Gibson (composer). I'm thinking of skipping over it. SL93 (talk) 23:29, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- On the topic of being called out, I've been known to get grumpy once in a while, but mostly at old-timers who should know better. Folks who are thinking about getting involved at DYK should know what we expect that new folks will make mistakes. That's how you learn and it shouldn't be something to fear. Anybody who bites a DYK newbie can expect to get trouted. RoySmith (talk) 23:30, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- RoySmith The prep is now filled. SL93 (talk) 00:36, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Speaking of deck chairs, I was going to promote a prep area just now, but the next one is Prep 2 and it's not complete. Oddly enough Prep 3 is full, but I don't think it's possible to promote preps out of order. RoySmith (talk) 23:25, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- I'm still hoping for more promoters. There are nominations that likely sit around not because they are problematic, but because we have barely any editors promoting. That work can be spread out, but I kept on hearing from editors that they are afraid of being called out for making mistakes. I see no problem in being called out. SL93 (talk) 23:18, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
I am not concerned about the PEIS limit on the approved list: as I write this, there are two hooks that are not showing, but 4 queues and 3 preps are mostly empty. If all of them were filled, we would have roughly 80 approved noms left over, so nowhere near hitting the 120 criteria previously used to switch to 2-a-day. Also, as hooks are promoted the hidden hooks will soon appear. On the awaiting approval list, it is more problematic if reviews aren't showing because it means someone might not review them. Also, AFAIK the community did not establish clear criteria for when DYKN switches to backlog mode, which is why I bring up the issue here. Z1720 (talk) 00:34, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
Data about DYK article creation/expansion
I am looking to generate reports about articles created and expanded by specific users that were featured on Did You Know. While there are tables listing this data, the minimum cutoff seems to be 25, and I would like data on users that have fewer than 25 articles credited to them. Is there a database I could access with this information? Harej (talk) 20:12, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
Queue 6: 5 Aug
Theleekycauldron, I see you pulled this hook out of Q6 and placed it into Prep3 instead. As it's a special occasion hook, don't you think it would be a good idea to start a discussion on this? For the record, I think it's a rather bad idea to not run Holder on 5 August, the day that she is going to compete in the Olympics. And yes, we've had two speed climbers in Q6, but as I say, should you not at least start a discussion instead of unilaterally undermining the efforts of running Olympic hooks on the day that competitions are held? Schwede66 22:40, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- I noticed that two other hooks were pulled with no discussion. Why no discussion? SL93 (talk) 22:49, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- What? Which ones? Schwede66 22:56, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Template:Did you know nominations/Mariesa Crow and Template:Did you know nominations/National Coordination Committee Against Corruption and Crime from the same queue. SL93 (talk) 22:59, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oh, I see. There is discussion about those at their nom pages, so that's perfectly in order. Schwede66 23:01, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- I meant discussion prior to removing them. If that is acceptable, fine, but I haven't seen anyone else do it that way. SL93 (talk) 23:02, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- I'm happy to list them here beforehand – I just thought they might take a while to fix and didn't want to clutter up the noticeboard under time pressure, so I experimented with something else. Really, either way works for me :) theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 23:03, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Either way works for me too. I was just surprised. SL93 (talk) 23:04, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- To check a full hook set is a huge job; there's no perfect way to go about it. I think this way of doing it is just fine; it reaches everyone who's had prior involvement (apart from the promoter to prep maybe). Schwede66 23:05, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- I ping the promoter whenever there's an issue with the hook itself – article issues are things the promoter usually isn't responsible for checking, but if there's something they should've caught, I'll ping them. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 23:21, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- I'm happy to list them here beforehand – I just thought they might take a while to fix and didn't want to clutter up the noticeboard under time pressure, so I experimented with something else. Really, either way works for me :) theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 23:03, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- I meant discussion prior to removing them. If that is acceptable, fine, but I haven't seen anyone else do it that way. SL93 (talk) 23:02, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oh, I see. There is discussion about those at their nom pages, so that's perfectly in order. Schwede66 23:01, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Template:Did you know nominations/Mariesa Crow and Template:Did you know nominations/National Coordination Committee Against Corruption and Crime from the same queue. SL93 (talk) 22:59, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- What? Which ones? Schwede66 22:56, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Schwede66: my bad, i checked for a special occasion marker on the nompage and didn't find one. I'm not the most comfortable with there being three Olympic athlete hooks in one set, it's contrary to guideline – is there another date it can go in? theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 22:57, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- No, there isn't. We've had three per set on most days. It's simply a function of there being so many Olympic hooks. Please refer to the extensive discussions above. Schwede66 22:59, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- WP:DYKVAR says
No topic should comprise more than two of the hooks in a given update
, but honestly, I'll just move it back. Thanks for letting me know :) theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 23:19, 1 August 2024 (UTC)- Happened to check in on the Aniya Holder DYK just now – totally get why it might have been moved, but if it could be returned to Queue 6 I would be a very happy camper :) SunTunnels (talk) 00:17, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- WP:DYKVAR says
- No, there isn't. We've had three per set on most days. It's simply a function of there being so many Olympic hooks. Please refer to the extensive discussions above. Schwede66 22:59, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
Upcoming Jack White hook
The hook in Queue 6 regarding a Jack White album needs to have its main link updated, as the article was recently moved from "Untitled Jack White album" to "No Name (album)". Aria1561 (talk) 04:57, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Fixed – Schwede66 05:35, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
Queue 7: 6 Aug
@SL93, TCMemoire, and B3251: the hook says "thousands of ... trees?" Shouldn't that be "thousand of acres of trees?" RoySmith (talk) 21:04, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- I guess. It would still be thousands either way so I'm fine with it being changed. SL93 (talk) 21:25, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- I suggest that the hook as written is wrong. Looking at Our world in data, the mid-point of tree density in the United States is 17,500 per square kilometre. As 84 square kilometre of forest burned, this equates to some 1.5 million trees. To call that "thousands of ... trees" is an underestimate to such an extent that it's wrong. Schwede66 22:23, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- And having now looked more closely, they did not replant the whole area burned, but just 16 square kilometres. Still, that's an estimated 280,000 trees at the above density. Schwede66 22:27, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Would someone need to find a source or sources specifying all of that, or would it not be considered synthesis to reword the hook and article with that information? The current source for the hook says thousands of acres. SL93 (talk) 23:34, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
...mid-point of tree density in the United States
, this doesn't work though, given the placement of the Dakotas in the Rocky Mountain Rain shadow#North American mainland. The Black hills are fire-climax Ponderosa forest land, which in 1939 whould have still been reflective of centuries of fire regime. Thus open forestland with wide spacing between trees rather then dense east coast or northwest coastal forests. Additionally areas of the Black Hills transition to open Savannah-land with limited scattered trees where the rain-shadow has full influence. This hook need to be sorted with the sources, which are all referencing thousands of acres, not trees.(The sources are also seemingly contradictory as reported in the article now. Source 10 (1940 news article) states the seeds were collected within the Black Hills, source 11 (2022 KOTA article) asserts they are NOT Black Hills Ponderosa, but doesnt really go into detail. I'd suggest updating with information from the Artemis Project page here that genetic testing at USDA laboratories determined the seeds were not of Black Hills Ponderosa.--Kevmin § 00:47, 2 August 2024 (UTC)- I've updated the hook to add "of acres". RoySmith (talk) 14:48, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Would someone need to find a source or sources specifying all of that, or would it not be considered synthesis to reword the hook and article with that information? The current source for the hook says thousands of acres. SL93 (talk) 23:34, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
Withdraw DYK nomination
I have withdrawn my nomination of Template:Did you know nominations/Statue of Peace in Berlin. The creator was blocked for spamming a website in many articles, including the nominated article. I can replace the spammed link, but I don't feel like rewarding the editor. SL93 (talk) 23:10, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Good call, SL93. Before I close this, you might want to remove your QPQ from this article to use it elsewhere. Given that nobody has started reviewing this, that would be a fair and reasonable thing to do. I say "remove" because I for one check whether a review has been used before... Schwede66 23:15, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Theleekycauldron already closed it, but I have since then removed my QPQ per your suggestion. SL93 (talk) 23:17, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
I just pulled this out of Q6 (see the nompage for reason) – we might need to clarify whether DYK incorporates the WP:V requirement that articles be based on independent sources, depending on how this discussion goes. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 23:23, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
Potential Issues with DYK Image Process
Hi all, I am not closely involved with DYK, but I spoke to Sdkb who suggested this was worth bringing up. A few months ago a doctored image of Chopin was featured, see Wikipedia:Recent additions/2024/January#9 January 2024. This image has been floating around the internet as a rare photograph of Chopin, but is instead an edited portion of a painting made in the 20th century (see The Chopin Institute).
While not a major issue, it is certainly not ideal, and I highly doubt the image would have been featured if this context was known ahead of time. In any case, the image's source even said that the "original daguerreotype needs to be found to allow experts to confirm whether it is an image of Chopin"; so I'm not sure we should be using "possible likenesses" anyways (although now understood to be an incorrect likeness). I understand there was a major image misidentification in 2021 as well.
This leads me to wonder: are more stringent requirements for the DYK image necessary? Perhaps the image link can be featured and reviewed in the nomination (like how the hook link is done?) Aza24 (talk) 03:29, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
Rotten tomatoes
- ... that many enthusiasts say that a good tomato sandwich is so messy, it should be eaten over the kitchen sink?
The opening to this triggered my weasel watch.
Looking at the nomination, this started with a more definite hook, "... that the best tomato sandwiches are so messy they may need to be eaten over the kitchen sink?" Someone decided that we couldn't say this in Wikipedia's voice because it's not actually a definite fact; it's just an opinion. Instead of finding an actual definite fact, a weasel was found to introduce the debatable opinion. But who are these enthusiasts and are they notable or reliable?
You see, every time I see this weasel wording, I imagine it to be said in the voice of Jeremy Clarkson who would always introduce The Stig like this. Here's a compilation of "Some say..." examples. Delivering absurd facts in this way is a good joke but that's not what we're about, is it?
Andrew🐉(talk) 15:45, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Pinging the involved, @Valereee, CurryTime7-24, and Theleekycauldron: Understand your point. Not sure if it is a weasel but it is probably true of any sandwich. When I saw the article I thought back to my own sandwich article with the hook Did you know... that the bondiola sandwich (example pictured) is a popular street food in Argentina? I enjoyed the tomato sandwich article but I see your point about who the "enthusiasts" are. Myself, I am a sandwich enthusiast but I would need more than just tomato to satiate myself. Bruxton (talk) 17:55, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Anybody who has ever grown tomatoes of their own will understand that a tomato sandwich is a waste of perfectly good bread and mayo. Nothing beats a good vine-ripened tomato, still warm from the sun, eaten just as it is, with the juice dribbling down your shirt. You want some heirloom variety, not the modern hybrids, genetically engineered to have smooth skin and a spherical shape, strong enough to stand up to bouncing around in a truck for a couple of days, and a flavor more akin to cardboard than anything else.
- An acceptable variation is thickly slabbed, with a slice of mozzarella on top (the good stuff, freshly made by the deli, not that horrible crap that comes wrapped in plastic), topped with a fresh basil leaf (also from your garden) and some balsamic vinegar. RoySmith (talk) 18:08, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- @RoySmith: Myself I spent 150 bucks on supplies and I grew $4.00 worth of tomatoes. They were good and I made a BLT (minus the L) last night. It was superb and not messy at all. I imagine the bacon held the tomato from slipping around in the mayo and the bread was toasted so it had some grit. Bruxton (talk) 18:32, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- @RoySmith, speaking as someone who has eaten the kind of tomato you're talking about both standing in the garden (I grew up carrying a salt shaker out to the garden where I'd eat tomatoes like apples) and sliced thick, slathered in Duke's, and sandwiched between two slices of soft white bread, leaning over the kitchen sink, I'm going to have to argue that it's a waste of bread and mayo. Two different experiences, both fab. Valereee (talk) 22:22, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- It's true that many enthusiasts make this recommendation. The article supports that assertion. I think the hook is fine as is. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 18:01, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Enthusiasts are, by definition, fanatically in favour of their enthusiasm. You can run anything as a supposed definite fact by using enthusiasts as your weasels. For example:
- ... that enthusiasts say that the Earth is flat?
- ... that enthusiasts say that Donald Trump won the 2020 United States presidential election?
- ... that enthusiasts say that people are really powerful aliens trapped in a human body?
- Andrew🐉(talk) 19:20, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Well not "anything", but yes, interesting statements by enthusiasts can make good hooks. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 19:28, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- We've got more such on the main page today: the "coolest person on the planet" and "the loneliest boy in the world" according to "journalists". All we're doing here is echoing clickbait and hype rather than presenting definite facts. And these don't stand close inspection. For example, the "coolest person on the planet" has soon been surpassed by another sports shooter who is even more of a brief sensation. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:19, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Well not "anything", but yes, interesting statements by enthusiasts can make good hooks. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 19:28, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Enthusiasts are, by definition, fanatically in favour of their enthusiasm. You can run anything as a supposed definite fact by using enthusiasts as your weasels. For example:
Moving hooks between preps
I recently moved the hook for Ahhotep I from Prep 2 to Prep 3 with the intention of promoting Jamal Valizadeh to fill the gap in line with the special occasion request. I'm finding though that when promoting the latter using PSHAW though that the task is failing to complete. I can promote the hook manually if needed, but would appreciate someone checking if I may have left something behind in prep 2 which might cause other issues down the road. CSJJ104 (talk) 13:39, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- CSJJ104, notice the format used in e.g. prep area 7 for unused slots? "... that ...", not simply "..." ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 14:28, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- You also used the improper credit template. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 14:30, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- @CSJJ104: Welcome to prep building and thank you for your work here! It can get complicated at times so ask questions. Bruxton (talk) 15:05, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks AirshipJungleman29, that is working now :) CSJJ104 (talk) 15:44, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- @CSJJ104: Welcome to prep building and thank you for your work here! It can get complicated at times so ask questions. Bruxton (talk) 15:05, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- You also used the improper credit template. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 14:30, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
@SL93, BeanieFan11, and Arcahaeoindris: The article says "sentenced to life imprisonment" which isn't the same as "imprisoned for life". RoySmith (talk) 00:51, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- I thought it was. I trust what you're saying though. ... that an American citizen was sentenced to life imprisonment for attempting to overthrow the government of Cambodia? SL93 (talk) 01:02, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Yes - what @SL93: said! Arcahaeoindris (talk) 15:51, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
@Launchballer, Schwede66, and Hey man im josh: Substantial text duplication from eagles.rugby, news.northeastern.edu, and sajr.co.za. See the earwig report for details.
- You didn't sign the post, hence no ping eventuated, RoySmith. Let me repeat this exercise on your behalf: @Launchballer, Schwede66, and Hey man im josh: Schwede66 04:16, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- I've left a message to the IP editor who did the expansion on my talk page. I assume that they keep an eye on my talk page. I agree that some copy-editing would need to happen before this can run. Schwede66 04:22, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Is there a way of purging Earwig's results? I tried to do some work on it earlier but the IP edit conflicted me, and it's still giving cached results.--Launchballer 19:26, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Launchballer I wasn't previously aware that it did any caching, but I do see that there's a "Bypass cache" checkbox on the form, so maybe check that and see what it does? RoySmith (talk) 19:49, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Same problem. I'll try again in the morning.--Launchballer 20:10, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Addressed. Other than names, per this. --2603:7000:2101:AA00:34AF:AC34:37AD:2505 (talk) 20:36, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Same problem. I'll try again in the morning.--Launchballer 20:10, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Launchballer I wasn't previously aware that it did any caching, but I do see that there's a "Bypass cache" checkbox on the form, so maybe check that and see what it does? RoySmith (talk) 19:49, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Is there a way of purging Earwig's results? I tried to do some work on it earlier but the IP edit conflicted me, and it's still giving cached results.--Launchballer 19:26, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
Extraneous Nom credit
The nomination credit to the Example editor that starts at the bottom of the credits with each empty set—* {{DYKnom|Example|Editor}}—has not been removed, as is supposed to happen when the set finally fills. Hoping that an admin can take care of this before the queue goes live. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:05, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- I've given things a bit of a tidy up. Empty lines deleted; noms are now in the right order (not that it matters; it only helps when you check hooks against credits). Schwede66 05:21, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
@Schwede66, AirshipJungleman29, and BeanieFan11: I'm not following the full history here, but it looks like this was approved as a single hook for Manizha Talash and the other two got added post-approval. I suggest we go back to this being a single. The story really is that 1) there is an Afghani break dancer and 2) that the IOC Refugee Olympic Team exists. Adding the other two names just detracts from that. RoySmith (talk) 15:36, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- I don't see that story at Template:Did you know nominations/Manizha Talash... ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 18:46, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Perhaps, but it's still the interesting part. What's so special about "two other women are also competing in this sport on another team"? RoySmith (talk) 18:57, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- It's at the top of this page (Ctrl+F "talash") and at Template:Did you know nominations/Sunny Choi. With five date requests for that date, it does seem sensible to knock some of them together.--Launchballer 19:23, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Well, there were four date requests for 9 August (not five). We've (mostly) restricted the sets to three Olympics hooks. Hence, something needs to be merged somewhere. Obviously, we don't need to run all three of the break dancers in the same hook; we can have one plus two across two hooks. I'm open to suggestions. Schwede66 22:32, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Well, I know this is going to be unpopular but I'd suggest not running Choi and Edra at all. ChatGPT (because I couldn't find the answer on Wikipedia) tells me there's 32 competitors. What makes these two girls from "their country" special enough to stand out from the other 30? I know what makes Talash special, and it's a story worth telling without getting second (third?) billing. RoySmith (talk) 22:51, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- You are correct, RoySmith – I don't find that popular. You ask:
What makes these two girls from "their country" special enough to stand out from the other 30?
My answer is that the two articles meet all five criteria of WP:DYKAIM. And I suspect that ChatGPT found the answer to your query in this sentence:A total of 32 quota places (sixteen per sex) are available for eligible dancers to compete for the inaugural medals in breaking
– that is from Breaking at the 2024 Summer Olympics. Schwede66 23:21, 4 August 2024 (UTC)- Regarding your edit comment "no reason to refer to ChatGPT instead of WP", the bottom line is I spent a few minutes here and failed to find what I was looking for so I went there and got the answer. People come here for answers to questions. If somebody else is doing a better job of that (even if it's because they ingest our data), we're on the road to becoming irrelevant. RoySmith (talk) 23:47, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- It's a common problem that sports bios don't point to the individual event that competitors are competing in. I've thus tried it to make things as easy as possible by linking to the correct event in my table above that keeps track of everything. I guess what I'm saying is if you are looking for an answer to something Olympics-related, start with the table above. Schwede66 00:05, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Regarding your edit comment "no reason to refer to ChatGPT instead of WP", the bottom line is I spent a few minutes here and failed to find what I was looking for so I went there and got the answer. People come here for answers to questions. If somebody else is doing a better job of that (even if it's because they ingest our data), we're on the road to becoming irrelevant. RoySmith (talk) 23:47, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- You are correct, RoySmith – I don't find that popular. You ask:
- Well, I know this is going to be unpopular but I'd suggest not running Choi and Edra at all. ChatGPT (because I couldn't find the answer on Wikipedia) tells me there's 32 competitors. What makes these two girls from "their country" special enough to stand out from the other 30? I know what makes Talash special, and it's a story worth telling without getting second (third?) billing. RoySmith (talk) 22:51, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Well, there were four date requests for 9 August (not five). We've (mostly) restricted the sets to three Olympics hooks. Hence, something needs to be merged somewhere. Obviously, we don't need to run all three of the break dancers in the same hook; we can have one plus two across two hooks. I'm open to suggestions. Schwede66 22:32, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- It's at the top of this page (Ctrl+F "talash") and at Template:Did you know nominations/Sunny Choi. With five date requests for that date, it does seem sensible to knock some of them together.--Launchballer 19:23, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Perhaps, but it's still the interesting part. What's so special about "two other women are also competing in this sport on another team"? RoySmith (talk) 18:57, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- This has since been promoted to Template:Did you know/Queue/3 by Z1720. I agree that this composite hook is very dull, which is a shame given the original hook suggestions. Perhaps a compromise could be move one to Q4 as breakdancing will also be occurring on the 10th (even if it's the men's event)? Sdrqaz (talk) 23:10, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- I saw this discussion before I promoted the queue. I had no concerns with the interest of the hook. I think stating that two athletes are representing their countries emphasises how the IOC Refugee information is unusual. I also do not think that there is a more interesting hook for the two American athletes available. Z1720 (talk) 23:19, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
Not sure how to proceed
I started the review for the page Margaret Eliza Maltby around two weeks ago here: Template:Did you know nominations/Margaret Eliza Maltby. Since then, the user who made the nomination doesn't seem to have made any contributions, other than responding with "feel free to withdraw this nomination if it needs to be done quickly" two days ago. As this is my first DYK review, I'm not really sure how I'm supposed to proceed with this nomination. Should it be withdrawn, as concerns have already not been addressed in a timely manner, and the nominator hasn't expressed an intention of preparing the article in the nearby future? Or should I keep waiting until the nominator gets around to it and, if so, what should be considered "quickly"? Thanks. Leafy46 (talk) 16:31, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Hi @Leafy46 Thanks for helping out at DYK; sorry your first review ended up being complicated like this! In any case, I've closed the review as withdrawn. In case you're wondering, you still get credit for the review when it comes to QPQ time. RoySmith (talk) 16:47, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- @RoySmith Thank you so much for the assistance! Leafy46 (talk) 17:26, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
Older nominations needing DYK reviewers
The previous list was archived a few hours ago, so I've created a new list of 36 nominations that need reviewing in the Older nominations section of the Nominations page, covering everything through July 20. We have a total of 288 nominations, of which 130 have been approved, a gap of 158 nominations that has decreased by 8 over the past 6 days. Thanks to everyone who reviews these and any other nominations!
More than one month old
- June 15: Template:Did you know nominations/Mohan Charan Majhi (hook second opinion requested)
- June 21: Template:Did you know nominations/Chand Sifarish
- June 22: Template:Did you know nominations/Keegan Baker
- June 23: Template:Did you know nominations/Lahug Airport
- June 24: Template:Did you know nominations/Dus Bahane
- June 26: Template:Did you know nominations/Brandiose
- June 28: Template:Did you know nominations/Jab Se Tere Naina
- June 28: Template:Did you know nominations/List of people who use their middle names as their first names
- June 29: Template:Did you know nominations/Sun Zhiyang
- June 30: Template:Did you know nominations/Liza 'N' Eliaz
- July 1: Template:Did you know nominations/Norman Hunter (footballer)
- July 3: Template:Did you know nominations/South West Norfolk in the 2024 United Kingdom general election
- July 4: Template:Did you know nominations/Iktara (song)
- July 4: Template:Did you know nominations/Hadriana in All My Dreams
- July 5: Template:Did you know nominations/Quintus Quincy Quigley
- July 5: Template:Did you know nominations/Grace Panvini
- July 5: Template:Did you know nominations/David B. Gillespie
Other nominations
- July 7: Template:Did you know nominations/Motibai Kapadia
- July 7: Template:Did you know nominations/Huang Wenxiu
- July 8: Template:Did you know nominations/1954 Busan Yongdusan fire
- July 9: Template:Did you know nominations/superseded combination
- July 13: Template:Did you know nominations/Leanne Mohamad
- July 13: Template:Did you know nominations/Mama (My Chemical Romance song)
- July 13: Template:Did you know nominations/Margaret Coe
- July 13: Template:Did you know nominations/Nathaniel Coe
- July 13: Template:Did you know nominations/1974 Speech of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman at the United Nations
- July 14: Template:Did you know nominations/Trump raised-fist photographs
- July 14: Template:Did you know nominations/Liber OZ
- July 14: Template:Did you know nominations/Upper Ivory Coast
- July 15: Template:Did you know nominations/S1/S2 (Amsterdam Metro)
- July 15: Template:Did you know nominations/Tukdam
- July 16: Template:Did you know nominations/Pontic Greek culture
- July 17: Template:Did you know nominations/The Eternaut
- July 18: Template:Did you know nominations/Khalji Revolution
- July 19: Template:Did you know nominations/8th National Eucharistic Congress (United States)
- July 20: Template:Did you know nominations/Begüm Pusat
Please remember to cross off entries, including the date, as you finish reviewing them (unless you're asking for further review), even if the review was not an approval. Please do not remove them entirely. Many thanks! BlueMoonset (talk) 18:07, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
Solid South
This article was nominated recently, and I attempted a review, but it appears the nominator misunderstood the nomination process. They nominated the article for DYK in connection with nominating it for GA, apparently not understanding that the article has to pass GA before it can be successfully nominated. I am slightly at a loss about how to proceed. Should I fail the nomination? Can the nominator then propose it for DYK again after (if) it achieves GA status? Or can it be withdrawn somehow? Thanks for any pointers. Yakikaki (talk) 19:47, 6 August 2024 (UTC) Edit: There's a brief exchange between me and the nominator on my talk page casting some light on the misunderstandning. Yakikaki (talk) 19:48, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, the nomination should be failed. The article should be renominated if and when it passes GA. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 19:50, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks, I see it has been closed as unsuccessful now. Yakikaki (talk) 19:52, 6 August 2024 (UTC)