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=== Oppose ===
*'''Oppose'''. New name is more verbose, lacking concision. The idea of rebranding something to fix its problems is a bit questionable. For example on meta they tried this with the community wishlist this year and the community made it clear that they preferred the old name. Is the fundamental problem with ITN really its name and the fact that it focuses on topics that are "in the news", or is its core problem actually something else such as toxicity, which might not be addressed by a name change? –[[User:Novem Linguae|<span style="color:blue">'''Novem Linguae'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Novem Linguae|talk]])</small> 12:48, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
*:I think it could be said that at least some of that "toxicity" (to use your word) might be due to the unsaid expectations of commenters when they come to a discussion about topics "in the news". Changing the name can change that expectation and tone. And besides, the name "in the news" doesn't reflect what's said on [[:WP:ITN]] - it makes it clear that this is about articles that are involved in current events in some way. So, similar to what we do with [[Wikipedia:Article titles|Article titles]], shouldn't the nme of this project page (and process) match the contents and intent? - <b>[[User:Jc37|jc37]]</b> 13:10, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''' per Novem Linguae. The problem is not the name, and even if it were the new name wouldn't resolve the misunderstandings about what the purpose of the section is (or trying to turn it into what they, but most other editors do not, think it ''should'' be). I also agree that this should have been workshopped first as there are very probably better alternatives to the one suggested (that still wouldn't solve the problems but would not introduce waffle). [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 13:00, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
*:Waffle‽ I love my yellow syrupy pastry, but what is waffle? [[User:Aaron Liu|<span style="color:#0645ad">Aaron Liu</span>]] ([[User talk:Aaron Liu#top|talk]]) 13:04, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
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:I feel like such a big change should've had some sort of workshopping first. [[User:Aaron Liu|<span style="color:#0645ad">Aaron Liu</span>]] ([[User talk:Aaron Liu#top|talk]]) 12:45, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
::Same, there's been RFCBEFORE discussions on the ITN talk page following the AN discussion about an RFC to reevaluate aspects of ITN which have been going on for a few days, and this seems to be jumping the gun. I recommend this be shuttered and ideas held off until the planned RFC is ready to go instead. --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 12:56, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
:::This is a name change proposal, it in no way hinders whatever 'process proposals' people are working on. - <b>[[User:Jc37|jc37]]</b> 13:10, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
: When posting at village pump proposals, please don't forget to notify the main page affected by the proposal. I see this happen here a lot. Anyway, I went ahead and notified [[Wikipedia talk:In the news]]. –[[User:Novem Linguae|<span style="color:blue">'''Novem Linguae'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Novem Linguae|talk]])</small> 12:58, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
::Thank you : ) - <b>[[User:Jc37|jc37]]</b> 13:10, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
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