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::The idea that since the article history traces back to the Republic of China, it (currently named Taiwan) can only be about a narrow definition of what it was formerly named would be a false premise. The modern polity of the ROC is commonly known as Taiwan, and Taiwan has a history that predates the ROC. This article is about Taiwan. [[User:Butterdiplomat|Butterdiplomat]] ([[User talk:Butterdiplomat|talk]]) 13:28, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
:::I'm not saying Taiwan isn't a country or island. I'm saying Wikipedia should not say or equate ROC ''is'' an island country because its exact territory is still in dispute with competing theories, and Wikipedia should not favor one by saying ROC already ''is'' (blank). That's why so many sources say ROC ''controls'' Taiwan. [[User:CurryCity|CurryCity]] ([[User talk:CurryCity|talk]]) 08:11, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
::::You are conflating the usage, though. In “the ROC controls Taiwan,” the ROC refers to the state, and Taiwan refers to the island. In a historical context, this is relevant because the ROC didn’t always control the island. But in any other usage where it is “Taiwan, officially named the ROC,” Taiwan refers to the country currently named the ROC officially.
::::Taiwan is a country (per 2020 RfC and subsequent discussions), and it is made of islands. That the ROC state’s territory is disputed is noted already in the article, but the factual situation has not really changed in 60+ years, and definitely not since RS started consistently using Taiwan as a stand-in for the ROC. [[User:Butterdiplomat|Butterdiplomat]] ([[User talk:Butterdiplomat|talk]]) 09:04, 22 June 2024 (UTC)