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Line 61: On 30 October, Senedd [[Llywydd of the Senedd\|Llywydd]] [[Elin Jones]] said to WalesOnline that an investiture is not a constitutional requirement and that 21st century Wales does not need an investiture. She added "Ceremonial Prince of Wales investitures were therefore the product of the political imagination of the 20th Century and should be consigned to that century. The Welsh people and the Welsh Parliament can design a modern relationship with the Prince of Wales, based on people not pageantry. If William and Kate want to meet people throughout Wales to learn first-hand of their hopes and concerns, then today's politicians should free them to do so, rather than encumber them with the controversy of investiture. 21st century Wales does not need an investiture. The 21st century monarchy may not want it either."<ref>{{Cite web \|last=WalesOnline \|date=2022-10-30 \|title='Westminster could learn something from the Royals about how to treat Wales' \|url=https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/the-uk-government-could-learn-25392079 \|access-date=2022-10-31 \|website=WalesOnline \|language=en}}</ref> William's continued presidency of the [[The Football Association\|English football association]] has been questioned in media, particularly as Wales played England in the [[2022 FIFA World Cup\|FIFA World Cup 2022]] and will "remain a regular fixture cheering on [[England national football team\|England]]" despite receiving the honorary title of Prince of Wales.<ref>{{Cite web \|date=2022-09-23 \|title=New Prince of Wales to remain president of the English FA as they play Wales at the World Cup \|url=https://nation.cymru/sport/new-prince-of-wales-to-remain-president-of-the-english-fa-as-they-play-wales-at-the-world-cup/ \|access-date=2022-09-24 \|website=Nation.Cymru \|language=en-GB}}</ref> In November, William was criticised ~~for him~~ for holding the Prince of Wales title whilst having affiliations with England football, particularly after he presented England jerseys to the squad in advance of the FIFA world cup in which both Wales and England would be playing. Those who criticised him included Welsh football followers and the Welsh actor Michael Sheen who tweeted, "He can, of course, support whoever he likes and as Pres of FA his role makes visit understandable - but surely he sees holding the title Prince of Wales at same time is entirely inappropriate? Not a shred of embarrassment? Or sensitivity to the problem here?".<ref>{{Cite news \|last=Low \|first=Valentine \|title=Prince of Wales criticised by Michael Sheen over England support \|newspaper=[[The Times]] \|language=en \|url=https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/prince-of-wales-criticised-by-michael-sheen-over-england-support-8zfmggqbv \|access-date=2022-11-19 \|issn=0140-0460}}</ref> Following this controversy, Kensington Palace also released a statement saying an investiture is "not on the table" with William visiting Cardiff with plans to tell the people of Wales that there are no formal plans for an investiture ceremony, aware of the controversy of the 1969 event.<ref>{{Cite news \|date=2022-11-16 \|title=Prince of Wales has no plans for investiture, Kensington Palace confirms \|language=en-GB \|work=BBC News \|url=https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-politics-63635177 \|access-date=2022-11-19}}</ref> == Proposals for a debate and Welsh decision == Line 69: [[Dafydd Elis-Thomas\|Lord Elis-Thomas]] said in 2022 on previous discussions he had with [[Charles III\|Prince Charles]], "I can tell you in discussions with him when he was still Prince of Wales, when I had cultural responsibilities in the Welsh Government, one of the issues I did raise with him was that I hoped there would never again be an investiture in [[Caernarfon Castle]]. (Prince Charles) laughed and said, 'Do you think I want to put William through what I went through?".<ref>{{Cite web \|date=2022-09-13 \|title=King Charles hopes William won't go through repeat of 1969 Wales investiture \|url=https://www.itv.com/news/wales/2022-09-13/king-charles-hopes-william-wont-go-through-repeat-of-1969-wales-investiture \|access-date=2022-09-14 \|website=ITV News \|language=en}}</ref> Following the announcement of the title, the First minister of Wales, Mark Drakeford revealed that he heard the news about the appointment onof a new Prince of Wales on the same day as everyone else. The first minister added "The Wales of 2022 is not the Wales of 1969. I don't think it would be sensible to look back and say you could simply replicate that". "My only advice, if it was ever sought, would be to give these things time. There is no rush".<ref>{{Cite web \|date=2022-09-12 \|title=Drakeford: 'There's no rush' for an investiture for new Prince of Wales \|url=https://www.itv.com/news/wales/2022-09-12/drakeford-will-debate-prince-of-wales-title-but-not-this-week \|access-date=2022-09-14 \|website=ITV News \|language=en}}</ref> After meeting Charles at Cardiff Castle, Drakeford said "Well, I certainly don't think that 1969 is a good guide for what should happen in 2022. Wales is a very different place". "The nature of the monarchy has developed over that period. My message is that we shouldn't be in a rush about all of this". "We should allow the new prince, as I say, to become familiar with his new responsibilities, develop the job in a way that will work for him and will work for Wales". "And then we can think about how and whether there is a need for any further ceremonial underpinning of what has already been announced".<ref>{{Cite web \|date=2022-09-16 \|title=Prince of Wales role may not need 'further ceremonial underpinning' of investiture says Mark Drakeford \|url=https://nation.cymru/news/prince-of-wales-role-may-not-need-further-ceremonial-underpinning-of-investiture-says-mark-drakeford/ \|access-date=2022-09-16 \|website=Nation.Cymru \|language=en-GB}}</ref> Leader of Plaid Cymru, Adam Price stated that "On the question of investiture then it's the people of Wales, through the democratically elected representatives, that should decide on that, not have that decision made in London by the UK Government".<ref>{{Cite web \|last=Owen \|first=Cathy \|date=2022-09-13 \|title=Plaid leader wants vote on William's investiture as Prince of Wales \|url=https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/prince-wales-william-vote-senedd-25002463 \|access-date=2022-09-14 \|website=WalesOnline \|language=en}}</ref> Price stated that the Senedd should make the decision on whether to hold an investiture following a "national conversation". On BBC Radio Wales Breakfast, Price said "It is not necessary and it was decided in 1911 and 1969, essentially by politicians, to hold the ceremony so I think that it is a legitimate area of discussion". Price added, "I think the first minister was right to say it's important that there is an opportunity for us in Wales to have a conversation about whether we want to have that ceremony, which effectively invests in the title of an official role, and a national status, like almost a constitutional role".<ref name="Ex-minister">{{Cite news \|date=2022-09-13 \|title=Prince of Wales: Ex-minister wants talks on prince investiture \|language=en-GB \|work=BBC News \|url=https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-62887011 \|access-date=2022-09-14}}</ref>

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