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:::[[WP:OTHERCONTENT]] - As Tim and I discussed above, while most articles do mention nationality, that's not a rule. There's a very good reason we wouldn't follow the norm here. In most cases nationality isn't ambiguous, and thus it's easy and uncontreversial to mention it. Here it is ambiguous. [[User:NickCT|NickCT]] ([[User talk:NickCT|talk]]) 14:55, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
::::Well as far as I know we never really have rules to address content across subject like this, what we do have is consensus: it isn’t even “most” articles, it’s literally every launch provider. If the first sentence is going to say Rocket Lab is a public company it only makes sense in the context of it being an American company publicly traded on the NASDAQ. Of course, I disagree the nationality is ambiguous, the current wording is simple enough and quite accurate, it includes both countries. Everyone would do well to listen to Peter Beck, founder and CEO of Rocket Lab, explain the issue it’s a question he's asked a lot in interviews such as [https://podcast.radionz.co.nz/mnr/mnr-20181112-0826-rocket_lab_sends_first_commercial_rocket_into_space-128.mp3 here on New Zealand radio]. [[User:Grey Wanderer|Grey Wanderer]] ([[User talk:Grey Wanderer|talk]]) 21:30, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
* Option '''F'''. The situation is complicated, and thus can't be explained in the opening sentence in the limited number of characters available. Rocket Lab has been pretty clear in private discussions that they're being purposefully ambiguous about their national affiliation. They're doing this because they rely on a certain amount of positive media coverage, and on positive political relationships. If they tell the Americans that they're a New Zealand company with nothing more than a minimal American presence to game the system, they will lose American contracts. Indeed, this has already been a problem. If they shift to become too much of an American company, they will face political headwinds in New Zealand, and be accused of bowing to the American Military Industrial Complex. And again, this has in fact happened (recently, too). So by necessity, Rocket Lab has to be a bit coy about their national affiliation. This spills over into the media coverage about the company. Because of that, secondary sources usable by Wikipedia are all over the place, and do not provide clear consensus. If the sources don't have consensus about what quick, easy national ID should be assigned to Rocket Lab, then we have nothing to put in our topic sentence. It can be explained in a later paragraph or, if absolutely necessary, further on in the lede. — [[User:Gopher65|Gopher65]]<sub><small>[[User_talk:Gopher65|<font color="green">talk</font>]]</small></sub> 03:10, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
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