Talk:Epirus: Difference between revisions

 

:"The desperate attempts of the Albanians to trace the origin of their nation to the ancient Illyrians did not find much support outside Albania" -- that's got to be the most NPOV statement of the century. Care to back up such bold claims? Also, don't be so quick as to associate Albanians (the people) solely with Albania (the modern state whose borders were not drawn up by Albanians). Albanians are most easily identified by their language. People move around. That's why you have Albanians in Greece and Greeks in Albania. No one has any deeds to any ancient lands. Epirus was neither 100% Greek nor 100% Albanian. That's what the article should convey. If you've got any independently certified statistics showing otherwise, I'd like to see it. [[User:Dori|Dori]] | [[User talk:Dori|Talk]] 02:38, Jul 13, 2004 (UTC)

 

For some interesting readings have a read at [http://www.vlachophiles.net/] and [http://www.vlachophiles.net/pandora.htm]. This coming from an Aromanian site, and the Aromanians have seen no love from either the Albanians or the Greeks. [[User:Dori|Dori]] | [[User talk:Dori|Talk]] 03:32, Jul 13, 2004 (UTC)

The first Latin-Albanian dictioanry was called '''"Dictionnarium latino-epiroticum"''' and the Albanian langauge was called '''"lingua Epirotica"'''

On top of this, a 17th century Enlightened Scholar named Joseph Scalinger stated that Albanian was spoken '''"In the mountains of Epirus"''' .

 

This article is not NPOV. I've seen this article in a Greek propaganda site. -user

 

Kastrioti is right, what the Çamë suffered under Metaxas was nothing less than '''genocide'''. The Albanians have the same right to live in Epirus/Çamëria as the Greeks and have done so. This article conveniently glosses over that fact, and instead pretends that the Greeks are the only legitimate inhabitants, whereas everyone else are unwanted foreigners. POV! 300,000 Albanians were expelled from Greece 700 women were raped, 80 children under the age of 3 were murdered, 1020 men were killed. The EU court of Human Rights is planning on looking into this in the near future. What happened the last time? Greece was [http://www.echr.coe.int/Eng/Press/2005/Oct/ChamberjudgmentOuranioToxovGreece201005.htm convicted]! Compensation should be paid and the Albanian estates should be returned. Nevertheless, the genocide aside, this article is too POV and glosses over the fact that Albanians have a significant history in this land. [[User:REX|Rex]]^{([[User talk:REX|talk]])}[[Image:Flag of Albania.svg|25px]] 15:25, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

 

:Metaxas died in 1941. The Chams left when the Nazi Germans left Greece around 1944. [[User:Matia.gr|+MATIA]] <small>[[User talk:Matia.gr|&#9742;]]</small> 21:11, 12 November 2005 (UTC)