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== Desysop request (
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:Per your wishes, I have removed the tools. I realise this is a day or so early, so if you do need to use the tools in the meantime I can revert
:On a personal note, I'm sad to see you go. Thank you for your service. '''[[User:Lee Vilenski|<span style="color:green">Lee Vilenski</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Lee Vilenski|talk]] • [[Special:Contribs/Lee Vilenski|contribs]])</sup>''' 19:13, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
::Thank you for your years of service, [[User:Ferret|Ferret]]. Enjoy your retirement! <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;">[[User:Liz|'''''L'''''iz]]</span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">[[Special:Contributions/Liz|'''''Read!''''']] [[User talk:Liz|'''''Talk!''''']]</sup> 19:15, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Indeed. Appreciate all you've done to get us here. [[User:BusterD|BusterD]] ([[User talk:BusterD|talk]]) 22:37, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
:[[User:Ferret|ferret]], thank you for all your service, and thanks especially for being such a great mentor, colleague, and friend. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 18:21, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
==Query==
So, are we losing ZERO administrators in January 2025 due to inactivity (see [[Wikipedia:Inactive administrators#January 2025]])? When was the last month that happened? I guess most inactive admins have already lost their privileges (there was a big group in [[Wikipedia:Inactive_administrators/2023|2023]]) and we are down to just active admins, well, at least active in editing if not admin work. That Criterion 2 made a big impact.
Happy New Year, everyone! <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;">[[User:Liz|'''''L'''''iz]]</span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">[[Special:Contributions/Liz|'''''Read!''''']] [[User talk:Liz|'''''Talk!''''']]</sup> 19:26, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:October 2023? [[User:Ymblanter|Ymblanter]] ([[User talk:Ymblanter|talk]]) 20:28, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:[[Wikipedia:Inactive_administrators/2024#August_2024|Aug 2024]]. — [[User:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span>]]</sup> 20:58, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::I think we may have indeed at least approached a time when inactivity desysops will go down to almost nothing. I think this is the first time that I can say I think our standard for admin activity are sufficient and are working as intended. It's been a long road. [[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] [[User talk:Beeblebrox|<sup>Beebletalks</sup>]] 00:09, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Careful not to mistake a data point for a trend. [[User:Floquenbeam|Floquenbeam]] ([[User talk:Floquenbeam|talk]]) 03:51, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::::True, I've just causally observed it, I haven't kept stats, but when the latest round of inactivity rules were established we were seeing about three per month. We're still seeing that some months, but other months there are just one or two, and apparently this month, none. I have also noticed an uptick in admins voluntarily handing in tools but I haven't got stats for that either. On the other hand, we may be losing as many as seven next month. [[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] [[User talk:Beeblebrox|<sup>Beebletalks</sup>]] 21:08, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::All desysoppings of administrators due to inactivity have been logged by month at [[Wikipedia:Inactive administrators]] since shortly after the process started. [[User:Graham87|Graham87]] ([[User talk:Graham87|talk]]) 03:17, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
A more useful statistic would be drawn from the actual admin action logs from the admins lost due to inactivity over the last 14 years. It would reveal just how significant their loss was - or wasn't. A random check I just made tends to show that many of them hardly ever used their tools at all. This might bust the myth that the attrition is as critical as the community is led to believe. Many admins also lost interest in the use of the tools shortly after passing their RfA, which could lead one to believe that there is a certain [[Wikipedia:Hat collecting|social capital]] to be gained with having one's signature highlighted in yellow everywhere - active or not. [[User:Kudpung|Kudpung กุดผึ้ง]] ([[User talk:Kudpung|talk]]) 04:00, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
:I was poking around the admins due to be desysopped under criterion two next month, and one of them hasn't used an admin tool in eleven years. [[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] [[User talk:Beeblebrox|<sup>Beebletalks</sup>]] 16:24, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
:It has probably always been true that the 80-20 rule applies. Looking at [https://xtools.wmcloud.org/adminstats/en.wikipedia.org/2024-01-01/2025-01-01], a few admins performed thousands of logged admin actions last year, while there is a quick drop as you go down the list, with a long tail of admins with a very low number (or none) of logged admin actions. Rather than worrying about how many admins we have, we need to worry about retaining the small number of admins that do most of the admin work. [[User talk:Donald Albury|Donald Albury]] 16:25, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
::An important aspect to keep in mind is that there are plenty of administrative tasks that don't log admin actions, such as declining unblock requests, declining protection requests, processing entries at [[WP:CFDS/Working]], and a number of other tasks (with those just being the ones that sprung to mind for me). While I'm sure we all know this, I wanted to mention it for anybody reading that hadn't considered that the raw numbers aren't everything. I can think of a number of admins with less than a thousand actions last year who had more of an impact than I did with my 18 thousand+ actions (fifth overall for non bots). [[User:Hey man im josh|Hey man im josh]] ([[User talk:Hey man im josh|talk]]) 19:06, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
:::I know, but I suspect that <s>most</s> <u>very few</u> admins that have few or no logged actions are instead performing a lot of unlogged admin tasks. Personally, I don't remember performing any unlogged admin tasks last year, and I try not to assume that I'm unique. [[User talk:Donald Albury|Donald Albury]] 21:55, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
::::I think the "not all admin actions are logged" argument is perhaps relevant in the short term, but if you haven't found occasion to preform any logged actions in over a decade, I find it highly unlikely you are doing admin work and just never, ever see a reason to use the tools. [[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] [[User talk:Beeblebrox|<sup>Beebletalks</sup>]] 03:23, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, to be entirely clear, I don't think there's a niche of admins doing no admin actions but working exclusively in admin areas that don't log actions.
:::::I know that a few users who process submissions at [[WP:CFDS]], such as Fayenatic london and Ymblanter, don't have their entire efforts and work reflected by the action count. My point was to illustrate that the numbers themselves don't necessarily reflect the actual work put in by some admins in general. [[User:Hey man im josh|Hey man im josh]] ([[User talk:Hey man im josh|talk]]) 16:06, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
:::: We already have an edit filter logging edits to protected pages. We should ideally set up edit filters for all of the other types of unlogged "admin" action, along the same vein, and kibosh this entire concept. [[User:Pppery|* Pppery *]] [[User talk:Pppery|<sub style="color:#800000">it has begun...</sub>]] 03:25, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::You mean like closing XFD discussions or assessing unblocks, etc., as [[User:Hey man im josh|Hey man im josh]] notes above? - <b>[[User:Jc37|jc37]]</b> 14:53, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::: Yes. [[User:Pppery|* Pppery *]] [[User talk:Pppery|<sub style="color:#800000">it has begun...</sub>]] 16:21, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::Still not seeing it. What admin is active in closing AFDs, but never deletes anything, or is active in reviewing unblock requests, but never unblocks anyone? [[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] [[User talk:Beeblebrox|<sup>Beebletalks</sup>]] 07:11, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::If an admin !votes at RFA and especially if they nominate, I would be very disappointed if they hadn't checked the candidates deleted edits. So that's one area where an admin might be using the tools without any recent logged admin actions. Looking at those stats I seem to do hundreds of edits for every logged admin action, and in recent years that ratio may have increased to around a thousand edits per admin action. But I like to think most of my 7,000 or so logged admin actions have been useful. ''[[User:WereSpielChequers|<span style="color:DarkGreen">Ϣere</span>]][[User talk:WereSpielChequers|<span style="color:DarkRed">Spiel</span>]]<span style="color:#CC5500">Chequers</span>'' 08:38, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
== [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Sennecaster]] problem ==
{{atop|1='''Jokes have no place on Wikipedia.''' Because I am an extremely, extremely serious person, I have blocked JavaHurricane and desysopped Sennecaster. <span style="font-family:courier"> -- [[User:Tamzin|<span style="color:#E6007A">Tamzin</span>]]</span><sup class="nowrap">[[[User talk:Tamzin|<i style="color:#E6007A">cetacean needed</i>]]]</sup> <small>([[User:Tamzin/🤷|they|xe|🤷]])</small> 07:11, 6 January 2025 (UTC)}}
Hi, I was checking the page and found that one '''oppose''' vote is found in the ''support'' section. @[[User:AmandaNP|AmandaNP]] closed it at 230-0-0. But as per @[[User:JavaHurricane|JavaHurricane]]'s vote on support no. 207, it should be ended as 229-1-0. I didn't expected that administrators or monitor @[[User:Tamzin|Tamzin]] has overlooked it. Can this issue be fixed? {{small|(P.S.: I don't know whether should I brought this in BN or AN but as I think RfAs are handled by Crats, so I brought it here.)}} -- ☮️Counter-Strike:Mention 269🕉️<sup>([[User talk:CSMention269|🗨️]] ● [[Special:EmailUser/CSMention269|✉️]] ● [[Special:Contributions/CSMention269|📔]])</sup> 06:55, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
:Tagging @[[User:Sennecaster|Sennecaster]] for informing this. ☮️Counter-Strike:Mention 269🕉️<sup>([[User talk:CSMention269|🗨️]] ● [[Special:EmailUser/CSMention269|✉️]] ● [[Special:Contributions/CSMention269|📔]])</sup> 06:56, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
::I also sense that JavaHurricane was making a joke—{{tq|poor judgement because of running late for mop?}}, clearly a joke. [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 07:00, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
: It's a joke. [[User:Pppery|* Pppery *]] [[User talk:Pppery|<sub style="color:#800000">it has begun...</sub>]] 06:56, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
::I apologize for not getting that joke and wasted my time bothering you all. I got it well now. ☮️Counter-Strike:Mention 269🕉️<sup>([[User talk:CSMention269|🗨️]] ● [[Special:EmailUser/CSMention269|✉️]] ● [[Special:Contributions/CSMention269|📔]])</sup> 07:02, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
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== A discussion on Signpost ==
There is a discussion on an article on Signpost that maybe of interest to bureaucrats, on whether it is appropriate of an admin should close his own re-request for adminship as a sign of resigning. [[Wikipedia talk:Wikipedia Signpost/2024-12-24/Opinion]]
I took the position that it is inappropriate for the said admin to do so. [[User:SYSS Mouse|SYSS Mouse]] ([[User talk:SYSS Mouse|talk]]) 04:18, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
:Opposition to your stated position has been unanimous over the two days since you posted it. There's nothing for 'crats to do here. [[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] [[User talk:Beeblebrox|<sup>Beebletalks</sup>]] 06:59, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
:I don't see how it would be inappropriate to withdraw your own RfA. [[User:Hey man im josh|Hey man im josh]] ([[User talk:Hey man im josh|talk]]) 11:36, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
::@[[User:Hey man im josh|Hey man im josh]], AIUI the issue [[User:SYSS Mouse|SYSS Mouse]] has is not with withdrawing, but with ''closing the discussion'' following (or at the same time as) withdrawal. In the linked discussion I've given a lengthy reply why I don't regard that as inappropriate either, but the distinction may be important to you (or others reading this). [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 13:09, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Thanks @[[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]], that is a bit less straight forward than I originally thought. [[User:Hey man im josh|Hey man im josh]] ([[User talk:Hey man im josh|talk]]) 13:12, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
My 2¢: In general one should avoid closing discussions they've participated in (or are ''about'' them) but I see no problem whatsoever with withdrawing from an RfA and closing it as withdrawn. It would be a different matter if (for example) someone started an AN/I discussion, it started to boomerang, and they closed it with a "nevermind" before they received any warnings or sanctions... but that's very different from what Graham did. Kudos to him for saving the 'crats a step with the paperwork. [[User:28bytes|28bytes]] ([[User talk:28bytes|talk]]) 18:54, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
:100% agree with 28bytes. -- [[User talk:AmandaNP|<span style="color:white;background-color:#8A2DB8"><b>Amanda</b> (she/her)</span>]] 11:47, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
:No concerns with someone withdrawing an RFA and doing the paperwork for it, however for a RECALL RFA this would only be acceptable if immediate notice is also left here (as was done in [[Wikipedia:Bureaucrats%27_noticeboard/Archive_50#Desysop_request_(Graham87)]]). — [[User:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span>]]</sup> 15:37, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
== Resysop request (Arcticocean) ==
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* Previous username: AGK
Hello. I requested self-removal of my sysop permissions in June 2021. At that time, I was becoming too busy in real life to regularly contribute to Wikipedia, a situation made worse by the COVID-19 pandemic. I returned as a regular contributor to Wikipedia some months ago but have been taking time to catch up on changes in the community. Although I remained occasionally active whilst away, I felt it important not to request the tools back until I was sure of still being in touch with the community's standards. As I'm now permanently back and have been for some time, I am requesting restoration of my sysop permissions. With thanks, [[User:Arcticocean|<span style="font-family:Tahoma;color:#5A4FCF;">arctic'''ocean''' ■</span>]] 15:14, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
*Desysop request is at [[Special:Permalink/1138384955#Desysop request (AGK)]]. – [[User:DreamRimmer|<span style="color:black">'''DreamRimmer'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:DreamRimmer|'''talk''']])</small> 15:43, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
*Last admin action appears to be May 2021. — [[User:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span>]]</sup> 16:02, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
<small>Is it too late to appoint them to this year's ArbCom? --[[User:Floquenbeam|Floquenbeam]] ([[User talk:Floquenbeam|talk]]) 14:47, 10 January 2025 (UTC)</small>
<small>Yes 8-) -- [[User:Avraham|Avi]] ([[User talk:Avraham|talk]]) 14:50, 10 January 2025 (UTC)</small>
:<small>Yes it's too late, or yes that was an uncharacteristically good idea? Or both? --[[User:Floquenbeam|Floquenbeam]] ([[User talk:Floquenbeam|talk]]) 14:56, 10 January 2025 (UTC)</small>
::<small> I'm enjoying my retirement from that role, although the arbitrator's pension isn't what it used to be. [[User:Arcticocean|<span style="font-family:Tahoma;color:#5A4FCF;">arctic'''ocean''' ■</span>]] 15:04, 10 January 2025 (UTC)</small>
:::<small>(slightly - just slightly - sinister tone) It's not necessarily up to you...--[[User:Floquenbeam|Floquenbeam]] ([[User talk:Floquenbeam|talk]]) 15:14, 10 January 2025 (UTC)</small>
:{{done}}. [[User:Primefac|Primefac]] ([[User talk:Primefac|talk]]) 15:16, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
Many thanks! [[User:Arcticocean|<span style="font-family:Tahoma;color:#5A4FCF;">arctic'''ocean''' ■</span>]] 16:15, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
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