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= December 11 =
 
== Shopping carts ==
 
Where were the first shopping carts introduced?
*[[shopping cart]] and [[Sylvan Goldman]] say the Humpty Dumpty chain
*[[Piggly Wiggly]] says the Piggly Wiggly chain and quotes the Harvard Business Review
Both articles agree it was in 1937 in Oklaholma. I believe that Humpty Dumpty is more likely, but some high quality sources would be useful. [[User:TSventon|TSventon]] ([[User talk:TSventon|talk]]) 11:55, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
 
:It seems to be a matter of some dispute, but [https://sova.si.edu/record/nmah.ac.0739 ''Guide to the Telescoping Shopping Cart Collection, 1946-1983, 2000''] by the Smithsonian Institution has the complex details of the dispute between Sylvan Goldman [of Humpty Dumpty] and [[Orla Watson]]. No mention of Piggly Wiggly, but our article on Watson notes that in 1946, he donated the first models of his cart to 10 grocery stores in Kansas City.
:[https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=WBH3rhiWsm4C&pg=PA205 ''The Illustrated History of American Military Commissaries'' (p. 205)] has both Watson and Goldman introducing their carts in 1947 (this may refer to carts that telescope into each other for storage, a feature apparently lacking in Goldman's first model).
:[https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=JCUwEQAAQBAJ&pg=PT17 ''Scalable Innovation: A Guide for Inventors, Entrepreneurs, and IP Professionals''] says that Goldman's first cart was introduced to Humpty Dumty in 1937.
:Make of that what you will. [[User:Alansplodge|Alansplodge]] ([[User talk:Alansplodge|talk]]) 13:30, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
::Absolutely. I remember that the power lift arrangement mentioned in the Smithsonian's link was still an object of analysis for would-be inventors in the mid-sixties, and possibly later, even though the soon to be ubiquituous checkout counter conveyor belt was very much ready making it unnecessary. Couldn't help curiously but think about those when learning about [[Bredt's rule]] at school later, see my user page, but it's true "Bredt" sounded rather like "Bread" in my imagination. --[[User:Askedonty|Askedonty]] ([[User talk:Askedonty|talk]]) 15:33, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
:On Newspapers.com (pay site), I'm seeing shopping carts referenced in Portland, Oregon in 1935 or earlier, and occasionally illustrated, at a store called the Public Market; and as far as the term itself is concerned, it goes back to at least the 1850s. ←[[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> [[Special:Contributions/Baseball_Bugs|carrots]]→ 15:18, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
::But perhaps referring to a cart brought by the shopper to carry goods home with, rather than one provided by the storekeeper for use in-store? [[User:Alansplodge|Alansplodge]] ([[User talk:Alansplodge|talk]]) 16:14, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
 
{{ping|Alansplodge|Askedonty|Baseball Bugs}} thank you for your help, it seems that the Harvard Business Review is mistaken and the Piggly Wiggly chain did not introduce the first shopping baskets, which answers my question. The shopping cart article references a [https://www.csi.minesparis.psl.eu/working-papers/WP/WP_CSI_006.pdf paper by Catherine Grandclément], which shows that several companies were selling early shopping carts in 1937, so crediting Sylvan Goldman alone is not the whole story. [[User:TSventon|TSventon]] ([[User talk:TSventon|talk]]) 17:22, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
 
== Lilacs/flowers re: Allies in Europe WWII ==
 
At 53:20 in [[Dunkirk (1958 film)]], British soldiers talk about [paraphrasing] 'flowers on the way into Belgium, raspberries on the way out', and specifically reference lilacs. I imagine this was very clear to 1958 audiences, but what is the significance of lilacs? Is it/was it a symbol of Belgium? [[User:Valereee|Valereee]] ([[User talk:Valereee|talk]]) 21:40, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
:I think it's just that the BEF [[Operation David|entered Belgium]] in the Spring, which is lilac time. [[User:DuncanHill|DuncanHill]] ([[User talk:DuncanHill|talk]]) 22:04, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
:There are contemporary reports of the streets being strewn with lilac blossom. See [https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/75930659/7411364 here] "Today the troops crossed the frontier along roads strewn with flowers. Belgian girls, wildly enthusiastic, plucked lilac from the wayside and scattered it along the road to be torn and twisted by the mighty wheels of the mechanised forces." [[User:DuncanHill|DuncanHill]] ([[User talk:DuncanHill|talk]]) 22:26, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
::Ah! That would explain it, thanks! [[User:Valereee|Valereee]] ([[User talk:Valereee|talk]]) 16:14, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
 
= December 12 =
 
== The USA adding a new state ==
 
If my understanding is correct, the following numbers are valid at present: (a) number of Senators = 100; (b) number of Representatives = 435; (c) number of electors in the Electoral College = 538. If the USA were to add a new state, what would happen to these numbers? Thank you. [[Special:Contributions/32.209.69.24|32.209.69.24]] ([[User talk:32.209.69.24|talk]]) 06:30, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
:The number of senators would increase by 2, and the number of representatives would probably increase by at least 1. ←[[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> [[Special:Contributions/Baseball_Bugs|carrots]]→ 09:23, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
::Thus, to answer the final question, the minimum number of Electors would be 3… more if the new state has more Representatives (based on population). [[User:Blueboar|Blueboar]] ([[User talk:Blueboar|talk]]) 13:54, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
:In the short term, there would be extra people in congress. The [[86th United States Congress]] had 437 representatives, because Alaska and Hawaii were granted one upon entry regardless of the apportionment rules. Things were smoothed down to 435 at the next census, two congresses later. --[[User:Golbez|Golbez]] ([[User talk:Golbez|talk]]) 14:58, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
 
Thanks. Hmmmmmmmmmmm. Let me re-phrase my question. (a) The number of Senators is always 2 per State, correct? (b) The number of Representatives is what? Is it "capped" at 435 ... or does it increase a little bit? (c) The number of Electors (per State) is simply a function of "a" + "b" (per State), correct? Thanks. [[Special:Contributions/32.209.69.24|32.209.69.24]] ([[User talk:32.209.69.24|talk]]) 21:12, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
:As I understand it, it is indeed capped at 435, though Golbez brings up a point I hadn't taken into account -- apparently it can go up temporarily when states are added, until the next reapportionment. --[[User:Trovatore|Trovatore]] ([[User talk:Trovatore|talk]]) 21:21, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
:{{br}}I suggest that (b) would probably depend on whether the hypothetical new state was made up of territory previously part of one or more existing states, or territory not previously part of any existing state. And I suspect that the eventual result would not depend on any pre-calculable formula, but on cut-throat horsetrading between the two main parties and other interested bodies. {The poster formerly nown as 87.81.230.195} [[Special:Contributions/94.1.211.243|94.1.211.243]] ([[User talk:94.1.211.243|talk]]) 21:21, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
::Nope, it's capped at 435. See [[Reapportionment Act of 1929]]. (I had thought it was fixed in the Constitution itself, but apparently not.) --[[User:Trovatore|Trovatore]] ([[User talk:Trovatore|talk]]) 21:23, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
:::The Constitution has a much higher cap, currently around eleven thousand. [[User:Tamfang|—Tamfang]] ([[User talk:Tamfang|talk]]) 20:09, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
:Oh, one other refinement. The formula you've given for number of electors is correct, for states. But it leaves out the [[District of Columbia]], which gets as many electors as it would get if it were a state, but never <s>less</s> <u>more</u> than those apportioned to the smallest state. In practice that means DC gets three electors. That's why the total is 538 instead of 535. --[[User:Trovatore|Trovatore]] ([[User talk:Trovatore|talk]]) 21:58, 12 December 2024 (UTC) <small>Oops; I remembered the bit about the smallest state wrong. It's actually never ''more'' than the smallest state. Doesn't matter in practice; still works out to 3 electors for the foreseeable future, either way, because DC would get 3 electors if it were a state, and the least populous state gets 3. --[[User:Trovatore|Trovatore]] ([[User talk:Trovatore|talk]]) 23:23, 12 December 2024 (UTC) </small>
 
= December 13 =
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::Has anyone checked the Gale ''Picture Post'' archive for October 1940?[https://www.gale.com/c/picture-post-historical-archive] I don't have access to it. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 22:10, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
:::{{re|Viriditas}} You might find someone at [[WP:RX]]. [[User:DuncanHill|DuncanHill]] ([[User talk:DuncanHill|talk]]) 01:27, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
::::Will look, thanks. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:33, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
 
Update: The NYT indirectly refers to the photo in the abstract several days after it was initially published in October 1940.[https://archive.org/details/sim_new-york-times_1940-10-13_90_30213/page/n71/mode/2up?q=milkman] I posed the problem to ChatGPT which went through all the possible scenarios to explain its unusual absence in the historical record. It could find no good reason why the photo seems to have disappeared from the papers of the time. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 00:33, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
 
:Interestingly, [https://www.google.com/books/edition/Report/jr5OAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=0&bsq=london%20milkman this] 1942 report by a New York scientific organization indicates that the image (or the story) was discussed in the NY papers. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:01, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
 
:I did find a suggestion somewhere that the picture was one of a pair with a postman collecting from a pillar box, with the title "The milk comes... and the post goes". Now THAT I ''have'' been able to track down. It appears on [https://archive.org/details/frontline1940/page/57/mode/2up page 57] of ''Front Line 1940-1941. The Official Story of the Civil Defence of Britain'' published by the Ministry of Information in 1942. It's clearly not the same photo, or even the same session, but expresses the same idea. [[User:DuncanHill|DuncanHill]] ([[User talk:DuncanHill|talk]]) 01:38, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
::Yes, thank you. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 01:43, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
 
== Belgia, the Netherlands, to a 16th c. Englishman? ==
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== European dynasties that inherit their name from a female: is there a genealogical technical term to describe that situation? ==
 
The Habsburg were descended (in the male line) from a female (empress [[Maria- Theresa]]). They were the Habsburg rulers of Austria because of her, not because of their Lorraine male ancestor. So their name goes against general European patrilinear naming customs. Sometimes, starting with [[Joseph II]] they are called Habsburg-Lorraine, but that goes against the rule that the name of the father comes first (I've never heard that anyone was called Lorraine-Habsburg) and most people don't even bother with the Lorraine part, if they even know about it.
 
As far as I can tell this mostly occurs in states where the sovereign happens at some point to be a female. The descendants of that female sovereign (if they rule) sometimes carry her family name (how often? that must depend on how prominent the father is), though not always (cf. queen Victoria's descendants). Another example would be king James, son of Mary queen of Scots and a nobody. But sometimes this happens in families that do not rule over anything (cf. the Chigi-Zondadari in Italy who were descended from a male Zondadari who married a woman from the much more important family of the Chigi and presumably wanted to be associated with them).
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:In the old style of dynastic reckoning, Elizabeth II would have been transitional from Saxe-Coburg to Glucksberg, and even under the current UK rules, descendants of Prince Philip (and only those descendants) who need surnames use [[Mountbatten-Windsor]]. -- [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] ([[User talk:AnonMoos|talk]]) 14:06, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
:In hyphenated dynasty names, the elements are typically not father and mother but stem and branch: ''Saxe-Weimar'' was the branch of the Saxon dukes whose apanage included the city of Weimar, ''Bourbon-Parma'' the branch of Bourbon (or Bourbon-Anjou) that included dukes of Parma. [[User:Tamfang|—Tamfang]] ([[User talk:Tamfang|talk]]) 03:48, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
 
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::Thank you. I thought that was the case. It's been 30 years since I read the Bible from cover to cover (I mainly just have certain passages highlighted now that I find helpful). But I do remember Zionist people very recently online Facebook claiming that the Jews built the pyramids and that Egyptian nationalists can go fuck themselves with their historical complaints about Israeli invasions of the Sinai Peninsula. [[Special:Contributions/146.90.140.99|146.90.140.99]] ([[User talk:146.90.140.99|talk]]) 02:43, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Right. You people can't help yourselves, can you? You didn't have to read the Bible cover to cover to find the answer. It's there in the first paragraphs of the book of Exodus. But you were looking for an excuse to talk about "Zionist people", weren't you? Of course any connection between pyramids and the Sinai is nonsensical (if it was actually made and you didn't just make it up) and there are idiots everywhere including among "Zionist people". Except you're no better, since you decided to post a fake question just to have an excuse to move the "conversation" from Facebook to Wikipedia. [[Special:Contributions/178.51.7.23|178.51.7.23]] ([[User talk:178.51.7.23|talk]]) 03:36, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
::::You are mistaken. I support Israel 100%. I maybe shouldn't have said "Zionist" but I had a few drinks - what is the correct term to use for people who support Israel??. I was legit interested from half the world away about some historical arguments I saw online. [[Special:Contributions/146.90.140.99|146.90.140.99]] ([[User talk:146.90.140.99|talk]]) 03:50, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
 
:Anyway, Egyptian pyramids (certainly stone pyramids) were mainly an Old Kingdom thing, dating from long before Hyksos rule or Egyptian territorial involvement in the Levant. At most times likely to be relevant to the Exodus narrative, the [[Valley of the Kings]] was being used for royal burials... [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] ([[User talk:AnonMoos|talk]]) 03:05, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
::The chief pyramid-building era was around the 26th century BCE. Exodus, if it happened, would have been around the 13th century BCE, 1300 years later. A long time; we tend to misunderstand how long the ancient Egyptian period was. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">[[User:Acroterion|<span style="color: black;">Acroterion</span>]] <small>[[User talk:Acroterion|<span style="color: gray;">(talk)</span>]]</small></span>''' 04:00, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
 
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:You seem to be overlooking one of the major obstacles to peace -- unless it suffers a stinging military defeat, Russia won't withdraw from territories belonging to 1990s Ukraine which it's formally annexed -- Crimea and [[Russian annexation of Donetsk, Kherson, Luhansk and Zaporizhzhia oblasts|Donetsk, Kherson, Luhansk and Zaporizhzhia]]... -- [[User:AnonMoos|AnonMoos]] ([[User talk:AnonMoos|talk]]) 03:14, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
::You're right, Russia won't withdraw from territories belonging to 1990s Ukraine, but it is likely that Ukraine does not expect Russia to do so too. Restoring to pre-war territories and the independent of [[Crimea|Crimean]], [[Donetsk Oblast|Donetsk]], [[Kherson Oblast|Kherson]], [[Luhansk Oblast|Luhansk]], and [[Zaporizhzhia Oblast|Zaporizhzhia]] are the best Ukraine can hope for. [[User:Stanleykswong|Stanleykswong]] ([[User talk:Stanleykswong|talk]]) 10:10, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
:Never heard of any such plan. 25 years? This is completely made up. Can't say I'm surprised since this is the same guy who asked the previous "question". My understanding is that Wikipedia and the Reference Desk are not a forum for debate. This is not Facebook. But this guy seems to think otherwise. Anyway, there's no way that the territories Russia has annexed will ever go back to the Ukraine. The only question which remains is what guarantees can be given to Ukraine that Russia will never try something like this ever again and eat it up piecemeal. The best answer (from Ukraine's point of view) would have been that it join NATO but of course Russia won't have it. If not that, then what? This's exactly where the "art of the deal" comes in. Speculating in advance on Wikipedia is pointless. Better to do that on Facebook. [[Special:Contributions/178.51.7.23|178.51.7.23]] ([[User talk:178.51.7.23|talk]]) 03:49, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
::You're right, by policy Wikipedia is not a forum and [[WP:SOAP|not a soapbox]]. But attend also to the policy [[Wikipedia:No personal attacks]]. Oh, and the guideline [[WP:AGF|assume good faith]] is another good one. [[User:Card_Zero|<span style=" background-color:#fffff0; border:1px #995; border-style:dotted solid solid dotted;">&nbsp;Card&nbsp;Zero&nbsp;</span>]]&nbsp;[[User_talk:Card_Zero|(talk)]] 10:27, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
:: Further, it's a bit pointless to tell an OP that WP is not a forum or a soapbox, but then immediately engage in debate with them about the matter they raise. -- [[User:JackofOz|<span style="font-family: Papyrus;">Jack of Oz</span>]] [[User talk:JackofOz#top|<span style="font-size:85%; font-family: Verdana;"><sup>[pleasantries]</sup></span>]] 18:57, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
:A politician's butt dominates his brain. What he is going to do is more important than what he had said. [[User:Stanleykswong|Stanleykswong]] ([[User talk:Stanleykswong|talk]]) 09:57, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
:Expect that a concept of a peace plan will be ready soon after day one. Until then we can only speculate whose concept. Will it be Musk's, Trump's, Vance's, Rubio's, Hegseth's, Kellogg's? The latter's plan is believed to involve Ukraine ceding the Donbas and Luhansk regions, as well as Crimea, to Russia,<sup>[https://www.reuters.com/world/trumps-plan-ukraine-comes-into-focus-territorial-concessions-nato-off-table-2024-12-04/]</sup> after which the negotiators can proclaim: "[[Mission Accomplished speech|Mission accomplished]]. [[Peace for our time]]." &nbsp;--[[User talk:Lambiam#top|Lambiam]] 10:17, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
 
:* There may also be peace plans required for a possible US incursion in Canada and Greenland / Denmark. All three are members of the NATO, so this may be tricky. --[[User:Cookatoo.ergo.ZooM|Cookatoo.ergo.ZooM]] ([[User talk:Cookatoo.ergo.ZooM|talk]]) 18:42, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
 
Isn't this one of those "crystal ball" things we are supposed to avoid here? - [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] &#124; [[User talk:Jmabel|Talk]] 21:40, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
 
:{{agree}} [[User:Slowking Man|Slowking Man]] ([[User talk:Slowking Man|talk]]) 00:37, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
::If the OP provided an actual source for this claim, then it could be discussed more concretely. ←[[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> [[Special:Contributions/Baseball_Bugs|carrots]]→ 00:40, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
:::It is not a claim, but a question, "What is being said now about the prospects and form of a Trump-brokered peace treaty?" Should the OP provide a source for this question? If the question is hard to answer, it is not by lack of sources (I gave one above), but because all kinds of folks are saying all kinds of things about it. &nbsp;--[[User talk:Lambiam#top|Lambiam]] 19:27, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
 
== ID card replacement ==
 
In California you can get a drivers' license (DL) from the DMV, which both serves as an ID card and attests that you are authorized to drive a car. Alternatively, from the same DMV, you can get a state ID card, which is the same as a DL except it doesn't let you drive. The card looks similar and the process for getting it (wait in line, fill in forms, get picture taken) is similar, though of course there is no driving test.
 
If you need a replacement drivers' license, you can request it online or through one of the DMV's self-service kiosks installed in various locations. That's reasonably convenient.
 
If you need a replacement ID card, you have to request it in person at a DMV office, involving travel, waiting in line, dealing with crowds, etc. DMV appointment shortens the wait but doesn't get rid of it. Plus the earliest available appointments are several weeks out.
 
My mom is elderly, doesn't drive, doesn't handle travel or waiting in line well, and needs a replacement ID card. I'm wondering why this discrepancy exists in the replacement process. Not looking for legal advice etc. but am just wondering if I'm overlooking something sane, rather than reflexive [[system justification]]. Thanks. [[Special:Contributions/2601:644:8581:75B0:0:0:0:DA2D|2601:644:8581:75B0:0:0:0:DA2D]] ([[User talk:2601:644:8581:75B0:0:0:0:DA2D|talk]]) 19:39, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
 
:European (Brit) here, so responding with logic rather than knowledge, but . . . . If a replacement ID could be requested remotely and sent, it would probably be easier for some nefarious person to do so and obtain a fake ID; at least if attendance is required, the officials can tell that the 25-y-o illegal immigrant (say) they're seeing in front of them doesn't match the photo they already have of the elderly lady whose 'replacement' ID is being requested.
:Drivers' licences have the additional safeguard that drivers are occasionally (often?) stopped by traffic police and asked to produce them, at which point discrepancies may be evident. {The poster formerly known as 87.812.230.195} [[Special:Contributions/94.1.223.204|94.1.223.204]] ([[User talk:94.1.223.204|talk]]) 00:30, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
::Thanks, I guess there is some sense to that, though I haven't been stopped by police in quite a few years. I reached the DMV by phone and they say they won't issue an actual duplicate ID card: rather, they want to take a new picture of my mom and use that on the new card. Of course that's fine given that we have to go there anyway, but it's another way the DL procedure is different. [[Special:Contributions/2601:644:8581:75B0:0:0:0:DA2D|2601:644:8581:75B0:0:0:0:DA2D]] ([[User talk:2601:644:8581:75B0:0:0:0:DA2D|talk]]) 00:46, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
:::What purpose does the ID card serve? ←[[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> [[Special:Contributions/Baseball_Bugs|carrots]]→ 04:27, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
::::See [[Identity documents in the United States]]. These cards can be used for such purposes as boarding a plane, purchasing alcohol or cigarettes where proof of age is required, cashing a check, etc. Most folks use their driver's license for these purposes, but for the minority that does not drive, some form of official id is required from time to time, hence the delivery of such cards by states. --[[User:Xuxl|Xuxl]] ([[User talk:Xuxl|talk]]) 13:34, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::I'm just wondering under what circumstances a shut-in would ever use it. The OP could maybe explain. ←[[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> [[Special:Contributions/Baseball_Bugs|carrots]]→ 21:52, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::OP did not describe a "shut-in". And anyway, have you ever heard the well-known phrase-or-saying "none of your fucking business"? [[User:DuncanHill|DuncanHill]] ([[User talk:DuncanHill|talk]]) 21:59, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::Are you the OP? ←[[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> [[Special:Contributions/Baseball_Bugs|carrots]]→ 22:46, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::Not OP and not a shut-in, but ID is necessary for registration for some online services (including ID requirements for access to some state and federal websites that administer things like taxes and certain benefits). I've had to provide photos/scans of photo ID digitally for a couple other purposes, too, though I can't remember off the top of my head what those were. I think one might have been to verify an I-9 form for employment. And the ID number from my driver's license for others. At least a couple instances have been with private entities rather than governments. The security implications always make me wary. -- [[User:Avocado|Avocado]] ([[User talk:Avocado|talk]]) 23:05, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
:Unless someone affiliated with the CA DMV drops by here, I'm afraid none of us are going to be able to tell you why something is the way it is with them. Essentially it's requesting people to guess or predict at why X ''might'' be the case. Have you tried [https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/contacting-dmv/ contacting them] and asking them for an answer? You and/or her could also [https://findyourrep.legislature.ca.gov/ contact] her CA state elected representatives and let them know your feelings on the matter. Sometimes representatives' offices will assist a constitutent with issues they're having involving government services ("constitutent services"). --[[User:Slowking Man|Slowking Man]] ([[User talk:Slowking Man|talk]]) 01:43, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
:If your mom is old and her medical condition affects her ability to perform daily activities (she couldn't handle the travel or waiting in line well), she can ask her medical doctor to complete a DS 3234 (Medical Certification) form to verify her status. Then you can help her to fill out a DS 3235 application form on the DMV website and submit the required documents accordingly. [[User:Stanleykswong|Stanleykswong]] ([[User talk:Stanleykswong|talk]]) 09:14, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
 
= December 27 =
 
== Building containing candle cabinets ==
 
Is there a term (in pretty much any language) for a separate building next to a church, containing candle cabinets where people place votive candles? I've seen this mostly in Romania (and in at least one church in Catalonia), but suspect it is more widespread. (I've also seen just candle cabinets with no separate building, but I'm guessing that there is no term for that.) - [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] &#124; [[User talk:Jmabel|Talk]] 01:40, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
 
:[[Shrine]] ''might'' cover it, but I suspect there's a more specific term in at least one language. {The poster fornerly known as 87.81.230.195} [[Special:Contributions/94.1.223.204|94.1.223.204]] ([[User talk:94.1.223.204|talk]]) 21:49, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
 
= December 28 =
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