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Line 1: {{WikiProject Effective Altruism\|class=project}}▼ {{User:MiszaBot/config \| algo = old(30d) Line 9 ⟶ 7: \| minthreadstoarchive = 1 \| minthreadsleft = 4 }} {{WikiProject banner shell\| ▲{{WikiProject Effective Altruism\|class=project}} }} {{Archives}} == [[:YIMBY movement]] listed at Requested moves== ~~== Elie Hassenfeld article nominated for deletion ==~~ [[File:Information.svg\|30px\|left]]A [[Wikipedia:Requested moves\|requested move]] discussion has been initiated for [[:YIMBY movement]] to be moved to [[YIMBY]]. This page is of interest to this WikiProject and interested members may want to participate in the discussion [[Talk:YIMBY movement#Requested move 20 July 2024\|here]].<!-- Talk:YIMBY movement#Requested move 20 July 2024 crosspost --> —[[User:The Sky Bot\|The Sky Bot]] 12:31, 20 July 2024 (UTC) :<small>To opt out of RM notifications on this page, transclude {{tlp\|bots\|2=deny=RMCD bot}}, or set up [[Wikipedia:Article alerts\|Article alerts]] for this WikiProject.</small> I made an article for [[Elie Hassenfeld]], but it's been nominated for deletion because the sources are about GiveWell, rather than him, so notability hasn't been established (see deletion discussion [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Elie Hassenfeld\|here]]). Does anyone have any better sources which could be used for establishing notability? [[User:Throughthemind\|Throughthemind]] ([[User talk:Throughthemind\|talk]]) 18:32, 20 August 2022 (UTC) :It's unfortunate that there was not more discussion of the nomination before action was taken, but I do think that insofar as Elie Hassenfeld is only known for GiveWell, then they are not sufficiently notable by Wikipedia standards for their own article, right? What else are they known for? [[User:Jmill1806\|Jmill1806]] ([[User talk:Jmill1806\|talk]]) 13:07, 10 October 2022 (UTC) ~~== Proposed deletion of Centre for Enabling EA Learning & Research - help request. ==~~ Hi all, I published [[Centre for Enabling EA Learning & Research]] some weeks ago, and quickly got the feedback that I needed to rely more on secondary sources. Now the entire article is nominated for deletion by {{ping\|Onel5969}} with given reason "Can't find enough in-depth coverage to show that this group passes [[WP:GNG]] or [[WP:ORGDEPTH]]" (Wikilinks added by me.) I'm obviously invested as the creator, and will do my best to up the standard within the next seven days, but I have a lot on and can't commit. If anyone has time to contribute or advise, it'd be warmly appreciated! [[User:Douginamug\|<b style="font-family:sans;background-color:paleturquoise;border-radius:7px 0 0 7px;padding:2px 5px;">DougInAMug</b>]][[User talk:Douginamug\|<span style="background-color:pink;border-radius:0 7px 7px 0;padding:2px 5px;">talk</span>]] 12:57, 18 October 2022 (UTC) :@[[User:Throughthemind\|Throughthemind]] pinging you as you showed interest. [[User:Douginamug\|<b style="font-family:sans;background-color:paleturquoise;border-radius:7px 0 0 7px;padding:2px 5px;">DougInAMug</b>]][[User talk:Douginamug\|<span style="background-color:pink;border-radius:0 7px 7px 0;padding:2px 5px;">talk</span>]] 12:58, 18 October 2022 (UTC) ::If you think you can find enough in-depth sourcing, but need more time, it can be moved into draftspace for you. Just ping me if you would want to do that. [[User:onel5969\|'''<span style="color:#536895;">Onel</span><span style="color:#ffb300;">5969</span>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Onel5969\|<i style="color:blue">TT me</i>]]</sup> 13:01, 18 October 2022 (UTC) :::@[[User:Onel5969\|Onel5969]] I've had a look around, including a [https://ceealar.org/media/ media list on the organization's website], but the only really solid secondary sources I can find are the articles from The Economist, The Times and New Scientist. All three references are currently used in the article. If you think those are not enough (in combination with judicious use of primary sources), then your reason for deletion holds. However, if better use of these sources and general writing would make the difference, I can try [[User:Douginamug\|<b style="font-family:sans;background-color:paleturquoise;border-radius:7px 0 0 7px;padding:2px 5px;">DougInAMug</b>]][[User talk:Douginamug\|<span style="background-color:pink;border-radius:0 7px 7px 0;padding:2px 5px;">talk</span>]] 15:35, 18 October 2022 (UTC) :Thank you for raising this. It's interesting. Seems to me like The Economist, New Scientist, and The Times are sufficient. At least, it is not uncontroversial as required by [[WP:PROD]]. I would vote keep in an [[WP:AFD]]. [[User:Jmill1806\|Jmill1806]] ([[User talk:Jmill1806\|talk]]) 22:50, 18 October 2022 (UTC) ~~== you're invited - dec 4th 6pm PST wikiproject co-working ==~~ ~~Myself and a friend are coworking on wikipedia stuff together. welcome to join! RSVP here: https://www.meetup.com/effective-altruism-bay-area/events/289639066/~~ ~~[[User:Ruthgrace\|Ruthgrace]] ([[User talk:Ruthgrace\|talk]]) 07:12, 9 November 2022 (UTC)~~ == ~~Citing~~[[:Meta ~~EA Forum posts that are now~~Platforms]] listed ~~on Google~~at ~~Scholar~~Requested moves== [[File:Information.svg\|30px\|left]]A [[Wikipedia:Requested moves\|requested move]] discussion has been initiated for [[:Meta Platforms]] to be moved to [[Meta (company)]]. This page is of interest to this WikiProject and interested members may want to participate in the discussion [[Talk:Meta Platforms#Requested move 29 October 2024\|here]].<!-- Talk:Meta Platforms#Requested move 29 October 2024 crosspost --> —[[User:RMCD bot\|RMCD bot]] 16:35, 29 October 2024 (UTC) There was some discussion earlier about whether we can use the EA Forum as a reliable source on [[Talk:Effective_altruism]]. In most cases, we can't. Forum posts are not generally considered reliable. However, some posts on the EA Forum are much more academic and have a limited form of peer review — this may have been just recently recognized by Google Scholar, which is now [https://scholar.google.com.au/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0,5&q=%22effective+altruism%22&scisbd=1 returning selected EA Forum posts] as results. While [[WP:SCHOLARSHIP]] still discourages scholarly articles with low citation counts like even the best EA Forum posts have, there is still room for individual EA Forum posts to be arguably included as a reliable source per [[WP:SPS]]. If anyone needs to cite something and you honestly can't find a source other than an EA Forum post, please check to see if Google Scholar indexes that post. If they do, and if the author of the article has other publications listed by Google Scholar, then there might be a good case for citing that EA Forum post as a reliable source. Note that you checked these things when making your edit, and if a future editor tries to claim that the EA Forum doesn't count as a reliable source in that instance, you may explain why you believe it counts as an exception under the above argument. — [[User:Eric Herboso\|Eric]] [[User_talk:Eric_Herboso\|Herboso]] 15:48, 10 November 2022 (UTC) :<small>To opt out of RM notifications on this page, transclude {{tlp\|bots\|2=deny=RMCD bot}}, or set up [[Wikipedia:Article alerts\|Article alerts]] for this WikiProject.</small> :That is helpful information. Personally, I don't think something happening to be picked up on Google Scholar is relevant (it just means some info in the HTML was changed), but it may be to others, so it seems worth bringing up. [[User:Jmill1806\|Jmill1806]] ([[User talk:Jmill1806\|talk]]) 14:03, 15 November 2022 (UTC) ==Discussion== ~~== How to handle the FTX scandal? ==~~ :A discussion has been initiated at [[Talk:Insect euthanasia#Animal welfare]]. This may be of interest to this WikiProject and interested members may want to participate in the discussion. -- [[User:Otr500\|Otr500]] ([[User talk:Otr500\|talk]]) 18:57, 30 October 2024 (UTC) == Requested move at [[Talk:Meta Platforms#Requested move 29 October 2024]] == Some commentators have implicated the effective altruism movement in the [[FTX scandal]]. How should we approach covering this? For example, we could add discussions of EA and FTX to the [[FTX financial crisis]] article or to the [[Effective altruism]] or [[Longtermism]] one. However, I would like to be careful not to blow this discourse out of proportion. While I've definitely noticed a lot of people using the FTX scandal as an opportunity to criticize EA, including in published sources, it's been a minor part of the discourse about the scandal, so I don't think it warrants more than a paragraph or two in each article. (For reference, [https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%201-m&geo=US&q=ftx,effective%20altruism,crypto Google searches] for "crypto" and "ftx" have dwarfed searches for "effective altruism" in the last 30 days.) <span style="white-space: nowrap;">[[User:Qzekrom\|Qzekrom]] (she/her • [[User talk:Qzekrom\|talk]])</span> 07:33, 19 November 2022 (UTC) [[File:Information.svg\|30px\|left]] There is a requested move discussion at [[Talk:Meta Platforms#Requested move 29 October 2024]] that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. [[User:Yovt\|𝚈𝚘𝚟𝚝]] ([[User talk:Yovt\|𝚝𝚊𝚕𝚔𝚟𝚝]]) 21:23, 4 November 2024 (UTC)