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M Johnson added a NPOV edit which I have deleted as the original author of this entry on Old Trafford. I would be happy to hear from M Johnson, through this discussion, what he feels is 'not neutral' about the article. The information contained within it is based on facts from the website of St. Bride's Church, Old Trafford, which is a long established CofE church and community centre in the area. Amendments and additions are based on my own knowledge of the area having grown up there and still owning a house in the area. M Johnson's other contributions to Wikipedia seem to have an Australian flavour so it intrigues me why an Australian would wish to profess greater knowledge of the area than a local inhabitant.
Mikeyboyproduct
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There's quite a bit of information about Trafford Park in this article. Wouldn't that be better in the Trafford Park article itself, instead of being repeated here? Fair enough to mention Trafford Park's importance as a major local employer, but surely not details about the park itself? --[[User:Malleus Fatuarum|-- Eric]] 14:31, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
==Old Trafford vs. Stretford==
Old Trafford is not a part of Stretford, it is a separate place with a very distinct and separate identity. Ask anyone who lives there! It used to come under Stretford Town Hall for administrative purposes until the changes of the early 1970s after which it became part of Trafford Borough Council. There is ample evidence of this elsewhere in this entry. MBP <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/79.78.212.237|79.78.212.237]] ([[User talk:79.78.212.237|talk]]) 16:35, 2 May 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:I agree. [[User:Haldraper|Haldraper]] ([[User talk:Haldraper|talk]]) 11:43, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
::Can you find a reliable source that agrees with you? [[User:Malleus Fatuorum|Malleus]] [[User_talk:Malleus_Fatuorum|Fatuorum]] 12:06, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
::[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:J3Mrs/Archive_9#Old_Trafford Consensus is that it Old Trafford is in Stretford]. [[User:Nev1|Nev1]] ([[User talk:Nev1|talk]]) 18:40, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
:::The irony is that, as the article describes, Stretford developed as two settlements that merged in the 19th century, the northern one of which was centred on what is now Old Trafford. And it's indisputable that Trafford even today consists of four towns: Altrincham, Sale, Stretford and Urmston.[http://www.trafford.gov.uk/business/advertisingandsponsorship/advertising/]
I have a copy of ''Trafford, Greater Manchester'' (1994), produced by Trafford Council (it's what other councils typically call their district/borough guide). In that, Old Trafford is listed as a part of Stretford. For instance (page 25) it mentions the cricket ground and Great Stone Road, under the heading Stretford; and again on pages 69-70, the parks at Old Trafford (Hullard and Seymour) are in the section for Stretford... This isn't pre-1974 Stretford Council, this is Trafford Council in 1994. Equally, has it not occurred that [[Trafford Town Hall]], ''in Old Trafford'', was once called Stretford Town Hall? - That's where Trafford Council put it too ([http://www.trafford.gov.uk/contactus/contactcentres/traffordtownhall/]). Can I suggest we revisit the lead, which currently does not mention Stretford? <small>--<span style="font-family: Trebuchet MS, sans-serif;border:2px solid #A9A9A9;padding:1px;">[[User:Jza84|<b>Jza84</b>]] | [[User_talk: Jza84|<span style="color:#000000;background:#D3D3D3;"> Talk </span>]] </span></small> 23:45, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
:I have, possibly, a better quote which explains things rather nicely IMHO:
:{{quotation|Historically and geographically, Stretford and Old Trafford (Brook's Bar) are unlikely partners - <u>they were combined as Stretford</u> simply because the lords of the manor were the Trafford family. The original Old Trafford area, and out to Brook's Bar, always felt that it belonged more to Manchester, and the local people did not venture often to the King Street end of Stretford, preferring the bustling streets of Moss Side and Hulme|page 39 of ''Stretford'' (1997) by Cliff and Sylvia Hayes}}
:I'm sure that will help in the improvement of this article. The Introduction (pages 5 and 6) of the same book also put Old Trafford, plus Trafford Bar and Trafford Park, squarely in Stretford.<small>--<span style="font-family: Trebuchet MS, sans-serif;border:2px solid #A9A9A9;padding:1px;">[[User:Jza84|<b>Jza84</b>]] | [[User_talk: Jza84|<span style="color:#000000;background:#D3D3D3;"> Talk </span>]] </span></small> 15:05, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
:::I realise this is an old thread but the [[Trafford_Park#Pre-industrial|pre-industrial section of the Trafford Park article]] ties in with what I was taught at school about the history of the area, that the [[Trafford (surname)|de Trafford]] family had parkland and acquired more, their new land was dubbed “New Trafford Park” and their pre-existing land was dubbed “Old Trafford Park”. Over the years “New” was dropped from New Trafford Park and “Park” was dropped from Old Trafford Park to make Trafford Park and Old Trafford. The entrance to Old Trafford Park had a lodge and gates which were subsequently moved to to form the entrance to Gorse Hill Park. Gorse Hill Park became White City Retail Park.
:::Post industrial revolution there was a scrap of land in Stretford and it was suggest building a football ground and a cricket ground on the land for the people of Old Trafford, so they became Old Trafford’s Cricket Ground and Old Trafford’s Football Ground. The two grounds became better known then Old Trafford the area and gradually, colloquially they both became known as Old Trafford.
:::The two clubs historically were in Stretford, the postal addresses through the 1980s were Stretford, Manchester, M32, they were subsequently changed by Royal Mail to Old Trafford, M16. The old railway station which is now Trafford Bar Metrolink was Old Trafford Railway Station and Warwick Road Railway Station was renamed Old Trafford Metrolink station at the same time.
:::To say that the old Stretford Town Hall is between the two Old Trafford clubs therefore Old Trafford must be in Stretford is to look down the wrong end of the telescope. It is more accurate to say that the two Stretford based clubs have been described as being in Old Trafford so often that Royal Mail, the Metrolink, the media and - yes - the council have all capitulated under the weight of it. [[User:The Vintage Feminist|The Vintage Feminist]] ([[User talk:The Vintage Feminist|talk]]) 03:27, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
==Present day==
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Strictly speaking Old Trafford continues east past Brooks Bar almost to Chichester Road and ends just before the college, forming a nipple bounded by Moss Lane West to the South and Bold St (M15) to the north. see [http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&safe=off&q=m15%205pq&oe=UTF-8&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl Google Map of the area].
I'm probably being a little perdantic, but Brooks Bar isn't the great district "crossroads" as you describe it. Maybe a rephrase is necessary? <
:Please be [[wp:bold|bold]], and make whatever changes you think are necessary. :) --[[User:Malleus Fatuarum|Malleus Fatuarum]] 01:40, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
Mike33 is right about the boundary of Old Trafford extending in 'a nipple' bounded by Chichester Street and Bold Street, but Brooks Bar IS a sort of dividing crossroads between the different districts mentioned. Interestingly - depending on your point of view - it is within that 'nipple' that Morrisey lived as a boy. That area is often taken to be a part of Hulme but is in fact part of Old Trafford. Morrisey lived at Queens Square which was demolished in the 60s and a tower block called Opsrey House now stands on the site. When I started this page I originally wrote that O/T was bounded to the north by Trafford Bar and to the south by Brooks Bar, which I knew wasn't strictly true. It's not true in the northerly direction either, since the end of O/T in that direction is Trafford Park industrial estate and MUFC stadium. I was using a bit of geographical license for want of a better phrase. Thanks to Mike33 for his precision.
Mikeyboyproduct
P.S. It seems a shame that some of the external links have gone - what was the reason for removing them? The Old Trafford News website in particular gives a very accurate idea of the Old Trafford community of today.
== Stadium location ==
Question deleted by poster. [[Special:Contributions/64.85.240.22|64.85.240.22]] ([[User talk:64.85.240.22|talk]]) 00:58, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
== Stretford Memorial Hospital ==
This cannot be in Chorlton-cum-Hardy when it is further north than the boundary between the City of Manchester and the borough of Trafford.--[[User:Felix Folio Secundus|Felix Folio Secundus]] ([[User talk:Felix Folio Secundus|talk]]) 15:42, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
:Stretford Memorial Hospital is in [[Firswood]], a part of Stretford. Have you posted this in the wrong place? [[User:Eric Corbett| <span style="font-variant:small-caps;font-weight:900; color:green;">Eric</span>]] [[User talk:Eric Corbett|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;font-weight:500;color: green;">Corbett</span>]] 15:55, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
== Stretford ==
I have not taken out the claim that it's part of Stretford, I am merely trying to ensure we follow [[WP:RS]] and am looking for an appropriate source for it myself. [[User:Haldraper|Haldraper]] ([[User talk:Haldraper|talk]]) 10:03, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
:The source you removed is not a "newsletter" but is described further up this page, see Old Trafford vs. Stretford, added by Jza84. You can of course find your own source but it is fine as it stands. [[User:J3Mrs|J3Mrs]] ([[User talk:J3Mrs|talk]]) 10:08, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
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== Contradiction at the heart of the article ==
Why are Manchester United and Lancs Cricket Club named as being part of the area of Old Trafford?
For governance this article states that Old Trafford is split between two wards: Clifford and Longford with the majority of it being in Clifford, which is correct and Longford is really just a small slither which does not include the cricket club.
The article also describes the Western side of Old Trafford as being Seymour Grove, which is also correct.
The two clubs are Old Trafford’s football club and Old Trafford’s cricket club, apostrophe ‘s’, they are not IN Old Trafford. [[User:The Vintage Feminist|The Vintage Feminist]] ([[User talk:The Vintage Feminist|talk]]) 05:08, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
== Pipe of the FC? ==
Considering Old Trafford is a Football Stadium, it seems unnecessary to display Manchester United F.C. and instead use Manchester United as it's clear that it refers to a football club. -- [[User:StarryNightSky11|<span style="color:green">StarryNightSky11</span>]] [[User talk:StarryNightSky11|<span style="color:green">☎</span>]] 04:42, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
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