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== New section 'Obstructions'? ==
== Canal Crossings ==
At about 30,2,43 N 32,34,28 E on Google earth (i.e. about midway between the Ahmed Hamdi Tunnel and the overline power crossin) I see what looks like a pontoon/swing bridge for road traffic, which seems to have come into existence around 2018-2019. https://www.google.com/maps/@30.04514,32.57599,1557m/data=!3m1!1e3
I don't see mention of this in the article, or anywhere else on the web. Is it temporary? Strange that I don't see mention of this anywhere. [[Special:Contributions/2600:1700:F91:FAA0:90EE:B0F9:5015:8AD3|2600:1700:F91:FAA0:90EE:B0F9:5015:8AD3]] ([[User talk:2600:1700:F91:FAA0:90EE:B0F9:5015:8AD3|talk]]) 13:54, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
:looks like El Nasr Floating Bridge? https://invest-gate.me/news/el-sisi-inaugurates-el-nasr-bridge-port-said/ Mentioned in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suez_Canal_Area_Development_Project#Floating_bridge [[User:JeffTK|Jeff]] ([[User talk:JeffTK|talk]]) 15:53, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
:Sorry, no, you're talking about a bridge further south. [[User:JeffTK|Jeff]] ([[User talk:JeffTK|talk]]) 15:54, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
 
Would it be advisable to create a new section entitled 'Obstructions', or perhaps a subsection under the section 'History', and include the multiple obstructions including the most recent one (Affinity V)? [[User:Compusolus|Compusolus]] ([[User talk:Compusolus|talk]]) 01:39, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
:It seems there is a new "Ahmed el-Mansy" pontoon bridge [https://www.presidency.eg/en/%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D8%B4%D8%A7%D8%B1%D9%8A%D8%B9-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%82%D9%88%D9%85%D9%8A%D8%A9/%D9%83%D9%88%D8%A8%D8%B1%D9%8A-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B4%D9%87%D9%8A%D8%AF-%D8%A3%D8%AD%D9%85%D8%AF-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D9%86%D8%B3%D9%8A-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B9%D8%A7%D8%A6%D9%85-%D8%A8%D9%82%D9%86%D8%A7%D8%A9-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B3%D9%88%D9%8A%D8%B3/ opened in 2017], at Ismailia - the pontoon sections can be moved to let ships through. It ''looks'' like it's meant to be a long-term fixture rather than a temporary relief for the ferry, but i's hard to be sure. [[User:Andrew Gray|Andrew Gray]] ([[User talk:Andrew Gray|talk]]) 18:37, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
 
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::After a bit of digging, it looks like there are [https://arabcont.com/english/Release-2019-1371 *five* pontoon bridges], built 2016-19; El Nasr in Port Said, two around Ismailia (Taha Zaki and Ahmed Mansy), one at El Qantara (Abanoub Gerges), and one in Suez governorate in the south (Ahmed Omar Shabrawy). All seem to be a similar design. [[User:Andrew Gray|Andrew Gray]] ([[User talk:Andrew Gray|talk]]) 19:41, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
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Found them all on Google Maps, north to south:
 
== Timeline section ==
* [https://www.google.com/maps/@31.2312196,32.3009632,1746m/data=!3m1!1e3 El Nasr] (one span - nothing on the eastern channel)
* [https://www.google.com/maps/@30.8448402,32.3151884,1345m/data=!3m1!1e3 Abanoub Gerges] (one span)
* [https://www.google.com/maps/@30.6057834,32.3207278,2274m/data=!3m1!1e3 Ahmed el-Mansy] (two spans over different channels)
* [https://www.google.com/maps/@30.4740571,32.343976,2243m/data=!3m1!1e3 Taha Zaki Abdullah] (two spans over different channels)
* [https://www.google.com/maps/@30.04514,32.57599,1557m/data=!3m1!1e3 Ahmed Omar Shabrawy] (one span)
 
A lot of the timeline section is already covered in the history, and acts as a trivia list. I'm going to make a start with removing duplicated facts, integrating anything that's relevant and removing anything too tangential. [[User:Timtjtim|Timtjtim]] ([[User talk:Timtjtim|talk]]) 11:39, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
The first three are specifically named on Google Maps, the others are inferred from the announcements. Interestingly, while [https://www.presidency.eg/en/%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D8%B4%D8%A7%D8%B1%D9%8A%D8%B9-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%82%D9%88%D9%85%D9%8A%D8%A9/%D9%83%D9%88%D8%A8%D8%B1%D9%8A-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B4%D9%87%D9%8A%D8%AF-%D8%A3%D8%AD%D9%85%D8%AF-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D9%86%D8%B3%D9%8A-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B9%D8%A7%D8%A6%D9%85-%D8%A8%D9%82%D9%86%D8%A7%D8%A9-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B3%D9%88%D9%8A%D8%B3/ these photos] show a ship traversing through the Ahmed el-Mansy bridge, with the middle section pulled away, the satellite photos show the whole thing pushed against the bank. I guess it can be used either way. The only one that has a different structure is the El Nasr bridge, which seems to be designed to swing the centre pontoons open, and you can see some kind of fixed mooring points to hold them there. [[User:Andrew Gray|Andrew Gray]] ([[User talk:Andrew Gray|talk]]) 21:43, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
 
:Okay, I've cut out things that are already part of the history, and I've moved the the three incidents to a new section.
* I've now updated the article with a short note about these five. There's a bit of a dearth of English-language material on them, unfortunately, but there is enough to confirm they exist and they're intended to be reasonably permanent crossings. [[User:Andrew Gray|Andrew Gray]] ([[User talk:Andrew Gray|talk]]) 12:40, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
:The remaining two trivia items are:
:* 10 January 1950: Passenger tariffs are abolished.
:* 1 January 2008: New rules of navigation passed by the Suez Canal Authority came into force together with an increase of fees for transit of about 7.1%.
:Neither of these seem especially important to me - I certainly wouldn't want us to start keeping track of every price increase! I think I'm going to remove these. [[User:Timtjtim|Timtjtim]] ([[User talk:Timtjtim|talk]]) 12:25, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
::Oh - the latter is part of [[Suez_Canal#Navigation|Navigation]] anyway [[User:Timtjtim|Timtjtim]] ([[User talk:Timtjtim|talk]]) 12:40, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
 
== Red Sea crisis ==
==Capacity over time==
As we have various historic ships that were designed for previous constraints of the Suez canal, I think it would be useful if we could have a table showing how the depth and width limits varied over time. Does anyone here have access to sources that could contribute to that? ''[[User:WereSpielChequers|<span style="color:DarkGreen">Ϣere</span>]][[User talk:WereSpielChequers|<span style="color:DarkRed">Spiel</span>]]<span style="color:#CC5500">Chequers</span>'' 10:30, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
 
Hello, this article doesn't mention the current [[Red Sea crisis]], please add information about it. [[Special:Contributions/190.99.107.218|190.99.107.218]] ([[User talk:190.99.107.218|talk]]) 13:13, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
== Blocking and diversion 2021 ==
 
:Feel free to! Editors are always encouraged to be [[WP:BOLD]]! I'll note that the Suez Canal is only tangentially related to the crisis, so I don't think there's a huge amount to add! [[User:Timtjtim|Timtjtim]] ([[User talk:Timtjtim|talk]]) 17:31, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
Initial reports on the containership blocking the canal on March 24th 2021 did mention traffic being divertet to an "old canal". [https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/udland/der-er-tre-gode-grunde-til-gigantskib-nu-staar-paa-tvaers-af-suez-kanalen-siger 'The Canal allegedly works on reopening old canals for tempoary use' (danish national news)]
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To my knowledge there is no "old canal" - the same canal has been deepened and possible straightened. And from 2015 supplemented by a new parallel canal on the central part of the stretch. But I'm open to enlightenment. [[User:Poul G|Poul G]] ([[User talk:Poul G|talk]]) 07:22, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
 
:I think many of the sources are confused about this. They may be thinking about the second canal north of Bitter Lake that was completed in 2015 (which obviously doesn't help in this case). Or maybe the 2000 year old Ptolemy canal. But there is no "old canal" that can be re-opened. [[User:GA-RT-22|GA-RT-22]] ([[User talk:GA-RT-22|talk]]) 15:18, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
 
This is possibly a misleading statement: "Shipping companies were also considering whether to divert their ships along...the Cape of Good Hope. The first container ship to do so was Ever Given's sister ship, Ever Greet.[105]" Ever Greet has diverted around the Cape, however this is likely to have been unrelated to avoiding a potential delay and so not indicative of what other ships might have done. The Ever Green has been impounded until liability has been decided. It's likely that Ever Green saw this coming and chose not to risk another of their ships being impounded. The route other Ever Green ships take in the future could settle this.
[[Special:Contributions/77.100.127.121|77.100.127.121]] ([[User talk:77.100.127.121|talk]]) 17:27, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
 
[[User:Chris.Bristol|Chris.Bristol]] ([[User talk:Chris.Bristol|talk]]) 00:51, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
 
== map marking points of interest? ==
 
Can someone who knows please provide a map that marks the Great Bitter Lake, the Small Bitter Lake, and other points of interest mentioned in this article?
 
I can't find a description of the geographic boundaries of the Great and Small Bitter Lakes in Wikipedia. The closest I found was:
 
[https://www.researchgate.net/publication/321630865_Aquatic_ecosystem_health_and_trophic_status_classification_of_the_Bitter_Lakes_along_the_main_connecting_link_between_the_Red_Sea_and_the_Mediterranean/figures?lo=1 https://www.researchgate.net/publication/321630865_Aquatic_ecosystem_health_and_trophic_status_classification_of_the_Bitter_Lakes_along_the_main_connecting_link_between_the_Red_Sea_and_the_Mediterranean/figures?lo=1]
 
Thanks, [[User:DavidMCEddy|DavidMCEddy]] ([[User talk:DavidMCEddy|talk]]) 08:24, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
 
== Oil shipping containers ==
 
There is no such thing as an "oil shipping container", and the cited source does not mention "oil shipping container". Oil is shipped in bulk, usually in tankers. [[User:GA-RT-22|GA-RT-22]] ([[User talk:GA-RT-22|talk]]) 15:22, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
 
== Speculation by experts ==
 
We should remove the entire paragraph starting with "At the dawn." [[WP:NOTNEWS|Wikipedia is not a newspaper]] and [[WP:CRYSTAL|Wikipedia is not a crystal ball]]. We should describe the canal as it is, not speculate about what might happen in the future. [[User:GA-RT-22|GA-RT-22]] ([[User talk:GA-RT-22|talk]]) 16:41, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
:While I agree that the article should not contain pure speculation, it appears that there were citations from legitimate sources talking about the potential financial impacts that the blockage is causing the world economy. It is akin to traders and economists making market predictions based off world events (such as the effects of refineries being affected by a tropical storm or actions by OPEC). I would be open to remove certain sections that engage in unsupported speculation, but don't see enough to remove the entire paragraph you cite [[GA-RT-22]]. [[User:Jurisdicta|Jurisdicta]] ([[User talk:Jurisdicta|talk]]) 03:39, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
:For both the reasons given I agree, though the last sentence is a useful general statistic that that would be better in the Economic Impact section. When the incident is over, a less speculative view of the effects it had will emerge and should provide a sentence or two (anything more should be in the daughter article. [[User:Davidships|Davidships]] ([[User talk:Davidships|talk]]) 08:12, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
 
== The Wikipedia servers appear to have just had a "brain-fart" ==
 
*At 5:25 UTC, I slightly changed about 5 words, and somehow a monumental edit removing over 2,000 characters occured, and was attributed to me [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Suez_Canal&type=revision&diff=1015386630&oldid=1015374205 here].
 
*Approximately 5 seconds later another edit was done by [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:MusikBot_II MusikBot_II].
 
*After reverting this strange edit, (along with MisicBot's edit), I redid my intended edit [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Suez_Canal&type=revision&diff=1015387632&oldid=1015387501 here], which appeared to work as was first intended.
 
I hope the WP servers are "OK." [[User:Silly-boy-three|Silly-boy-three]] ([[User talk:Silly-boy-three|talk]]) 05:48, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
 
:Followup:
:It appears that some admin may be tinkering with this page, but not leaving any "footprints" on the page History.
:[[User:Silly-boy-three|Silly-boy-three]] ([[User talk:Silly-boy-three|talk]]) 05:54, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
 
== The 'New Suez Canal" and the Ballah Bypass - a bit unclear ==
 
I just read this very interesting article for the first time (as many people do these days, I assume) and was for the life of me not able to completely figure out what the expansion really is about - at least not from the article alone. After thoroughly studying maps I got the greater picture, but I guess one should be able to find out just from the article. The [[Suez_Canal_Area_Development_Project|Suez Canal Area Development Project]] article is not much help in this regard either, and there are even inconsistencies between the two.
My qualms: 1) There is no definition found anywhere what the Ballah Bypass (mentioned three times) precisely is. I guess that's the main problem. A simple 'from A to B' with a clear definition what A and B are on the map would clear up a lot. 2) The Ballah Bypass has presumably be widened on a length of 35 kms, but obviously a second canal has been added to the old one along a stretch, which is referred to as 'side channel' one paragraph later, still without any definition. This comes later in the 'Layout and operation' section, but only as 'the middle part'. 3) Later we read that the Ballah Bypass has been widened from 61 mtrs to 312 mtrs. This presumably is the widening mentioned before, but measuring all stretches of canal on a map shows them to be very roughly 300 mtrs wide along their whole length. So it would be nice to know how wide the canal was in the beginning. Or was the whole canal 61 mtrs wide before the expansion? Or just the Ballah Bypass? 4) The article states that the cost of the project was 'more than E£59.4 billion (US$9bn)', whereas the 'New Suez Canal' article states 'around 30 billion Egyptian pounds (approximately 4.2 billion dollars)'.
A little bit of research shows that some media outlets cite from these articles (paraphrasing, but obviously), but all of them stay vague regarding the expansion in the same manner. I hope you understand what I mean - it's a great article, but I'm not sure all the info on the expansion it there in a comprehensible fashion. In part reads like it was written by someone who's familiar with the area and the project and assumes others are as well. I'd do the edits myself, but obviously I lack the knowledge about the project. :-) [[User:Matzeachmann|Matzeachmann]] ([[User talk:Matzeachmann|talk]]) 11:30, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
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