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Is it temporary? Strange that I don't see mention of this anywhere. [[Special:Contributions/2600:1700:F91:FAA0:90EE:B0F9:5015:8AD3\|2600:1700:F91:FAA0:90EE:B0F9:5015:8AD3]] ([[User talk:2600:1700:F91:FAA0:90EE:B0F9:5015:8AD3\|talk]]) 13:54, 25 March 2021 (UTC) :looks like El Nasr Floating Bridge? https://invest-gate.me/news/el-sisi-inaugurates-el-nasr-bridge-port-said/ Mentioned in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suez_Canal_Area_Development_Project#Floating_bridge [[User:JeffTK\|Jeff]] ([[User talk:JeffTK\|talk]]) 15:53, 28 March 2021 (UTC) ~~:Sorry, no, you're talking about a bridge further south. [[User:JeffTK\|Jeff]] ([[User talk:JeffTK\|talk]]) 15:54, 28 March 2021 (UTC)~~ Would it be advisable to create a new section entitled 'Obstructions', or perhaps a subsection under the section 'History', and include the multiple obstructions including the most recent one (Affinity V)? [[User:Compusolus\|Compusolus]] ([[User talk:Compusolus\|talk]]) 01:39, 1 September 2022 (UTC) ~~==Capacity over time==~~ As we have various historic ships that were designed for previous constraints of the Suez canal, I think it would be useful if we could have a table showing how the depth and width limits varied over time. Does anyone here have access to sources that could contribute to that? ''[[User:WereSpielChequers\|<span style="color:DarkGreen">Ϣere</span>]][[User talk:WereSpielChequers\|<span style="color:DarkRed">Spiel</span>]]<span style="color:#CC5500">Chequers</span>'' 10:30, 17 January 2021 (UTC) ==Wiki Education assignment: Digital Microhistory Lab== ~~== Blocking and diversion 2021 ==~~ {{dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment \| course = Wikipedia:Wiki_Ed/Florida_State_University/Digital_Microhistory_Lab_(Fall_2023) \| assignments = [[User:Acg22d\|Acg22d]] \| start_date = 2023-08-28 \| end_date = 2023-12-19 }} <span class="wikied-assignment" style="font-size:85%;">— Assignment last updated by [[User:Acg22d\|Acg22d]] ([[User talk:Acg22d\|talk]]) 16:17, 18 December 2023 (UTC)</span> Initial reports on the containership blocking the canal on March 24th 2021 did mention traffic being divertet to an "old canal". [https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/udland/der-er-tre-gode-grunde-til-gigantskib-nu-staar-paa-tvaers-af-suez-kanalen-siger 'The Canal allegedly works on reopening old canals for tempoary use' (danish national news)] == Timeline section == To my knowledge there is no "old canal" - the same canal has been deepened and possible straightened. And from 2015 supplemented by a new parallel canal on the central part of the stretch. But I'm open to enlightenment. [[User:Poul G\|Poul G]] ([[User talk:Poul G\|talk]]) 07:22, 25 March 2021 (UTC) ~~:I think~~A ~~many~~lot of the ~~sources~~timeline ~~are~~section ~~confused~~is ~~about~~already ~~this.~~covered ~~They may be thinking about~~in the ~~second~~history, ~~canal~~and ~~north~~acts ofas ~~Bitter~~a ~~Lake~~trivia ~~that~~list. ~~was completed in 2015 (which obviously doesn~~I'tm ~~help~~going into ~~this~~make ~~case).~~a Orstart ~~maybe~~with ~~the~~removing ~~2000~~duplicated ~~year~~facts, ~~old~~integrating ~~Ptolemy~~anything ~~canal.~~that's ~~But~~relevant ~~there~~and ~~is no "old canal" that~~removing ~~can~~anything betoo ~~re-opened~~tangential. [[User:~~GA-RT-22~~Timtjtim\|~~GA-RT-22~~Timtjtim]] ([[User talk:~~GA-RT-22~~Timtjtim\|talk]]) 1511:1839, 2519 ~~March~~February ~~2021~~2024 (UTC) :Okay, I've cut out things that are already part of the history, and I've moved the the three incidents to a new section. ~~== map marking points of interest? ==~~ :The remaining two trivia items are: :* 10 January 1950: Passenger tariffs are abolished. :* 1 January 2008: New rules of navigation passed by the Suez Canal Authority came into force together with an increase of fees for transit of about 7.1%. :Neither of these seem especially important to me - I certainly wouldn't want us to start keeping track of every price increase! I think I'm going to remove these. [[User:Timtjtim\|Timtjtim]] ([[User talk:Timtjtim\|talk]]) 12:25, 19 February 2024 (UTC) ::Oh - the latter is part of [[Suez_Canal#Navigation\|Navigation]] anyway [[User:Timtjtim\|Timtjtim]] ([[User talk:Timtjtim\|talk]]) 12:40, 19 February 2024 (UTC) == Red Sea crisis == ~~Can someone who knows please provide a map that marks the Great Bitter Lake, the Small Bitter Lake, and other points of interest mentioned in this article?~~ Hello, this article doesn't mention the current [[Red Sea crisis]], please add information about it. [[Special:Contributions/190.99.107.218\|190.99.107.218]] ([[User talk:190.99.107.218\|talk]]) 13:13, 19 February 2024 (UTC) ~~I can't find a description of the geographic boundaries of the Great and Small Bitter Lakes in Wikipedia. The closest I found was:~~ :Feel free to! Editors are always encouraged to be [[WP:BOLD]]! I'll note that the Suez Canal is only tangentially related to the crisis, so I don't think there's a huge amount to add! [[User:Timtjtim\|Timtjtim]] ([[User talk:Timtjtim\|talk]]) 17:31, 19 February 2024 (UTC) [https://www.researchgate.net/publication/321630865_Aquatic_ecosystem_health_and_trophic_status_classification_of_the_Bitter_Lakes_along_the_main_connecting_link_between_the_Red_Sea_and_the_Mediterranean/figures?lo=1 https://www.researchgate.net/publication/321630865_Aquatic_ecosystem_health_and_trophic_status_classification_of_the_Bitter_Lakes_along_the_main_connecting_link_between_the_Red_Sea_and_the_Mediterranean/figures?lo=1] {{Talk:Suez Canal/GA1}} ~~Thanks, [[User:DavidMCEddy\|DavidMCEddy]] ([[User talk:DavidMCEddy\|talk]]) 08:24, 25 March 2021 (UTC)~~ ~~== Oil shipping containers ==~~ There is no such thing as an "oil shipping container", and the cited source does not mention "oil shipping container". Oil is shipped in bulk, usually in tankers. [[User:GA-RT-22\|GA-RT-22]] ([[User talk:GA-RT-22\|talk]]) 15:22, 25 March 2021 (UTC) ~~== Speculation by experts ==~~ We should remove the entire paragraph starting with "At the dawn." [[WP:NOTNEWS\|Wikipedia is not a newspaper]] and [[WP:CRYSTAL\|Wikipedia is not a crystal ball]]. We should describe the canal as it is, not speculate about what might happen in the future. [[User:GA-RT-22\|GA-RT-22]] ([[User talk:GA-RT-22\|talk]]) 16:41, 25 March 2021 (UTC) :While I agree that the article should not contain pure speculation, it appears that there were citations from legitimate sources talking about the potential financial impacts that the blockage is causing the world economy. It is akin to traders and economists making market predictions based off world events (such as the effects of refineries being affected by a tropical storm or actions by OPEC). I would be open to remove certain sections that engage in unsupported speculation, but don't see enough to remove the entire paragraph you cite [[GA-RT-22]]. [[User:Jurisdicta\|Jurisdicta]] ([[User talk:Jurisdicta\|talk]]) 03:39, 28 March 2021 (UTC) :For both the reasons given I agree, though the last sentence is a useful general statistic that that would be better in the Economic Impact section. When the incident is over, a less speculative view of the effects it had will emerge and should provide a sentence or two (anything more should be in the daughter article. [[User:Davidships\|Davidships]] ([[User talk:Davidships\|talk]]) 08:12, 29 March 2021 (UTC)