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:So, new one, why do you want to take away sourced information? Wouldn't it be better to sort out origins by examining resources? If information conflicts, so does Wikipedia. [[User:GBFEE|GBFEE]] ([[User talk:GBFEE|talk]]) 20:44, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
== Serial killer ==
Is it still a serial killer if the person is killed multiple people but under different circumstances [[Special:Contributions/2601:40F:4000:66F0:A87B:2173:B958:F83E|2601:40F:4000:66F0:A87B:2173:B958:F83E]] ([[User talk:2601:40F:4000:66F0:A87B:2173:B958:F83E|talk]]) 21:01, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
:Please read the article, which answers your question. <span style="font-family: Gill Sans MT, Arial, Helvetica; font-weight:140;">[[User:General Ization|<span style="color: #006633;">General <i>Ization</i></span>]]</span> <sup>[[User talk:General Ization|<i style="color: #000666;">Talk </i>]] </sup> 21:06, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
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== First sentence ==
The sources don’t agree that two is enough murders for someone to be a serial killer. Should the article be updated? [[User:McYeee|McYeee]] ([[User talk:McYeee|talk]]) 05:24, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
:I think {{ping|DMacks}} might know. [[User:McYeee|McYeee]] ([[User talk:McYeee|talk]]) 17:31, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
::Thanks for the ping! I did not notice that there were contradictory sources there...just looked at footnote #1 and not the details and other refs in footnote #2 that dispute that same info. If there are contradictory sources, then indeed we should not only pick one unless that one is clearly the most strongly supported by cited refs. But if there is an overwhelmingly more-supported (or supported by better sources), we should go with that. ''Britannica'' is the only one of the four refs that uses "two" rather than "three", and I would give more weight to multiple experts in the field than a more lay-public encyclopedia. However, ''Britannica'' says that "two" is the US DOJ definition and also that based on DOJ "many scholars worldwide" have adpoted that definition as well.
::So I would propose two article changes:
::#Merging the ''Britannica'' ref into the unified footnote citing the diverse opinions of the number, as a fourth bullet-point that notes the DOJ/etc basis
::#Simply saying "multiple" in the lede rather than trying to decide if "two" or "three" is the correct specific number, since there appears to be a legitimate dispute among RS sources
::[[User:DMacks|DMacks]] ([[User talk:DMacks|talk]]) 10:18, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
:::Unless I see comments to the contrary, I will treat this as the consensus and make the suggested changes. [[User:McYeee|McYeee]] ([[User talk:McYeee|talk]]) 22:32, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
:::Looking back at this, doesn't multiple just mean ''two or more''? [[User:McYeee|McYeee]] ([[User talk:McYeee|talk]]) 01:33, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
{{od}}
Going by refs (such as [https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Clive-Hollin/publication/262987930_Multiple_murder_A_review/links/559fd9d408ae6981ff78c5fe/Multiple-murder-A-review.pdf this]) "there are three major forms of multiple murder: ''mass murder'', ''spree murder'', and ''serial murder''", which gives us the lead definition:
''Serial killing (also called a serial murderer) is a form of multiple murder where the killings taking place over a significant period of time.''
That places the topic as a subset of "''multiple murder''" and we have no need to define how many, taking care of [[WP:YESPOV]] problems. [[User:Fountains of Bryn Mawr|Fountains of Bryn Mawr]] ([[User talk:Fountains of Bryn Mawr|talk]]) 01:46, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
:That makes sense to me. Since I’m not sure exactly how much quoting we want to do or how the ref should look, I’ll let someone else do the edit. [[User:McYeee|McYeee]] ([[User talk:McYeee|talk]]) 02:00, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
:I'm fine with that as well, or anything else that does not take a specific numerical stance. [[User:DMacks|DMacks]] ([[User talk:DMacks|talk]]) 02:08, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
::Didn't proof my own post. Make that "Serial killing (also called a serial '''murder''') is...." .... it doesn't match the article title but lead sentences don't have to. There may have been lots of blood on the walls re: this article's title (I haven't bothered to read the archive talk) so don't know if its set in stone as to what we call it. [[User:Fountains of Bryn Mawr|Fountains of Bryn Mawr]] ([[User talk:Fountains of Bryn Mawr|talk]]) 15:57, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
:::I just checked (after my most recent edit to the article). There was a relevant RfC at [[Talk:Serial killer/Archive 4#RfC: Should the lead sentence start with "several" or "at least two" instead?]]. [[User:McYeee|McYeee]] ([[User talk:McYeee|talk]]) 03:08, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
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