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== Merged "The Villages" into "The Villages, Florida" ==
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Would like to add this book, Complete Guide to The Villages Florida for consideration for the external links section of this article. Does sell a product (book) on the site but also has a pretty good reader's Q and A section about The Villages.
Web address is http://www.thevillagesfloridabook.com <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/199.15.29.27|199.15.29.27]] ([[User talk:199.15.29.27|talk]]) 16:51, 27 January 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:The book mentioned above seems to be a promotion "to the audience most likely to use their services" so I would vote that it should not be an external link on this page. If it is an independent media source about The Villages, the unsigned person could break the Media section into 2 sections, Promotional Media and Independent Media, and reference it there. Just a thought. [[User:Anne9853|Anne9853]] ([[User talk:Anne9853|talk]]) 18:46, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
== Population ==
The article included a statement that the population of the Villages was close to 60,000 (I just removed it). The population of Lady Lake in 2005 was 13,244, and a good part of that is not in the Villages, so we might say 7,000 in the part of the Villages in Lady Lake (and that side is largely built out now). The Villages CDP had a population of 8,333 in 2000. We have no idea how many have moved into that area since then (and the Census Bureau does not provide updated estimates for CDPs), and no idea how many now live in the Marion County portion of the Villages. So, unless someone can ome up with a reliable published source for a population figure, we should avoid speculating in the article. --
: An estimate of population is available at http://www.thevillagescommercialproperty.com/ which puts the number of residents at 68,000. I've been there, this seems reasonable. [[User:MatthewEHarbowy|MatthewEHarbowy]] ([[User talk:MatthewEHarbowy|talk]]) 12:34, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
::That's a promotional site for the developers, and does not strike me as a [[WP:RS|reliable source]]. I have been there as well, and it is big, but we require verifiability from reliable sources, and do not permit personal observations as sources, which would constitute [[WP:NOR|original research]]. --
:::I don't see why the developer's numbers should be considered any less reliable than those of the census bureau. In fact, the developer would conceivably have at least two strong incentives to deliver the correct numbers: First, to avoid legal liability for fraud in the promotion of real estate sales (who wants a lawsuit from someone who expected 70,000 neighbors and ends up living in a deserted development?), and second, to target its products and services to the appropriate market (who wants a disgruntled buyer who expected a small town from the census numbers and got a massive development with 70,000 neighbors?). The census numbers are not as current as the developer's, and they are not subject to these reliability incentives. Also, note that [[User:MatthewEHarbowy|MatthewEHarbowy]]'s ([[User talk:MatthewEHarbowy|talk]]) personal observation that the developer's numbers are reasonable is being used in support of the reliability of the developer as a source, and not as a source per se, and is thus not subject to Wikipedia's ban on [[WP:NOR|original research]]. [[User:Wtroopwept|Wtroopwept]] ([[User talk:Wtroopwept|talk]]) 19:18, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
::::I would include both because the CDP boundaries are ''not'' the same as the overll development boundaries. Say "the developer said A, the CDP had B people" [[User:WhisperToMe|WhisperToMe]] ([[User talk:WhisperToMe|talk]]) 10:56, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
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:I added a criticism section, which in my opinion is warranted, given the amount of criticism The Villages has indeed received from some outside observers. --[[User:Skb8721|Skb8721]] ([[User talk:Skb8721|talk]]) 14:12, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
::Thank you, I appreciated that the structure was already there when I needed to move information around appropriately. [[User:Anne9853|Anne9853]] ([[User talk:Anne9853|talk]]) 19:26, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
:I have tried to clarify parts of the article to make it more neutral and based on factual content. However, the vast majority of the information on The Villages is only available on two sites: 1) TheVillages.com website (which is clear advertising), and 2) the CDD website (with the main CDD's controlled by The Villages developer). So there is not a whole lot of information which can be obtained from a truly neutral site. [[User:Quidam65|Quidam65]] ([[User talk:Quidam65|talk]]) 14:41, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
::Actually, there's quite a bit of information available. [http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=%22the+villages+florida%22&btnG=Search&as_sdt=400000000000&as_ylo=&as_vis=0 Here's a Google Scholar search], at least one book has been written about it ("Leisureville"), and [http://news.google.com/archivesearch?pz=1&cf=all&ned=us&hl=en&q=%22the+villages+florida%22&cf=all it's been covered in the news], including by NPR. [[User:Tedder|tedder]] ([[User talk:Tedder|talk]]) 19:06, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
::May I suggest tasks which I cannot take on myself? 1) It seems to me that "Leisureville" should be at least a secondary reference source cited in this article. Be bold. Is the decision that there should not be more external sources getting in the way of legitimate additions? Or has there been a history of reversions? 2) It should also be noted within the page that the Media section contains 3 sources that have the appearance of being promotional house organs for The Villages (TV, radio, newspaper). 3) Add more suitable research from the Google Scholar sources. 4) Remove 'peacock words', if any.
::Since this subject is controlled by the management, it is particularly important that Wikipedia present neutral and accurate information. Just sayin' [[User:Anne9853|Anne9853]] ([[User talk:Anne9853|talk]]) 19:14, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
==Highest std rate?==
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[[User:WhisperToMe|WhisperToMe]] ([[User talk:WhisperToMe|talk]]) 10:28, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
== Controversial article about an event at The Villages ==
Should the event described in this article from Time be documented here? Title: The 'America First' Revival Tour Throws a Trump Rally Without Trump<ref>https://time.com/6046996/america-first-tour-matt-gaetz-marjorie-taylor-greene-the-villaages </ref> [[Special:Contributions/2603:6010:4E42:500:A0A4:6545:E82:4576|2603:6010:4E42:500:A0A4:6545:E82:4576]] ([[User talk:2603:6010:4E42:500:A0A4:6545:E82:4576|talk]]) 01:23, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
:I don't really see what that has to do with The Villages, other than it happened to be where the rally was held. - [[User talk:Donald Albury|Donald Albury]] 01:54, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
:Article has interesting local color and is a reputable source. Perhaps the first writer could use it as a reference within a section on demographics, especially given the amount of space given in the page to presidential visits? Be bold. [[User:Anne9853|Anne9853]] ([[User talk:Anne9853|talk]]) 19:02, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
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==Criticism of The Villages==
Following the precept '''Be bold''', I moved part of the Entertainment section to Criticism. It seems to me that a matter discussed as aesthetic or philosophical criticism (Faux history) should not be under Entertainment. [[User:Anne9853|Anne9853]] ([[User talk:Anne9853|talk]]) 18:51, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
==Advertisement tag==
I need a bit more specific clarification on what portions of the article would be considered "Advertising"? I would be more than happy to fix any issues, but to just tag the large article with no explanation of what is advertising is not helpful. The article has a total of 1,175 edits by 399 individual editors over 18 years. Just give me some guidance or I will remove the tag.[[User:Whoisjohngalt|Whoisjohngalt]] ([[User talk:Whoisjohngalt|talk]]) 22:21, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
* Looking for input from [[User:Arecaceæ2011|Arecaceæ2011]]. Any guidance would be greatly appreciated.[[User:Whoisjohngalt|Whoisjohngalt]] ([[User talk:Whoisjohngalt|talk]]) 17:05, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
* I apologize for not mentioning anything on the talk page first. In retrospect I should have added the tag only to the recreation section. Some of the wording of the section, even if the content is perfectly objective gives a tone that sounds a bit more like a brochure than a an encyclopedia entry. Feel free to disagree though. I could help in rewriting it. This also isn't particular to this article; many articles for places, especially master-planned communities in Florida, have wording that tends to talk-up amenities and I have seen other similar articles or sections receive advert tags. [[User:Arecaceæ2011|Arecaceæ2011]] ([[User talk:Arecaceæ2011|talk]]) 01:25, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
* Here are some examples; sentences like:
**"The centerpiece of The Villages is its numerous assortment of golf courses."
**"The Villages offers various venues for the performing arts."[[User:Arecaceæ2011|Arecaceæ2011]] ([[User talk:Arecaceæ2011|talk]]) 03:11, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
*:The first statement is a bit fluffy. I suggest changing it to "The Villages has many golf courses located throughout the community." The second statement strikes me as fairly neutral, and I don't see any need to change it. Is there anything else in that section that you think is promotional? - [[User talk:Donald Albury|Donald Albury]] 12:49, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
**I agree, the sentence was fluffy and the word, centerpiece really does not work. I made the change in the Golf courses section. I see no problem with "The Villages offers various venues for the performing arts." and do not think this is promotional. Thanks for giving examples.[[User:Whoisjohngalt|Whoisjohngalt]] ([[User talk:Whoisjohngalt|talk]]) 21:29, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
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== The large amount of STD's and the Loofah code ==
Will it be okay to add about the prevalence of STD's in The Villages, and the Loofah code? [[Special:Contributions/70.104.196.98|70.104.196.98]] ([[User talk:70.104.196.98|talk]]) 14:05, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
:As for the alledged STD rate, see the "Highest std rate?" section above, where the topic was rejected long ago as an [[:urban legend]]. As for the "Loofah code", that looks like another urban legend, and you would need to find very good [[:Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable sources]] to have any chance of getting away with adding that. Even if you can find quality reliable sources, you still need a consensus of interested editors that it belongs in the article. I, for one, would argue that inclusion of such an urban legend might run afoul of our policy at [[:Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons]]. - [[User talk:Donald Albury|Donald Albury]] 17:03, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
== "Notable people" ==
This section seems underdeveloped or unnecessary to me, and furthermore it's unclear what it means. I assume it means "notable residents," in which case it should be titled that. [[User:RookWeaver|RookWeaver]] ([[User talk:RookWeaver|talk]]) 04:06, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
:In most cases, a "Notable people" section in an article about a place includes people who were born there, or lived there for a significant part of their younger life, even if they have not been resident there for a long time. Notable persons who were born in The Villages or lived there when young are obviously going to be rare. In this case, I don't see a problem with calling the section "Notable residents", but some editors may prefer consistently using "Notable people" for such sections across all articles. - [[User talk:Donald Albury|Donald Albury]] 18:20, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
::@[[User:Donald Albury|Donald Albury]] Fair, and I can definitely see how either way might be appropriate. I personally believe that since the community by definition is almost entirely limited to residents who haven't lived there for their whole lives, the section title should reflect that. But I'll hold off on making a change because I understand the consistency argument. [[User:RookWeaver|RookWeaver]] ([[User talk:RookWeaver|talk]]) 05:23, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
:::That said, unless I'm mistaken it seems everyone in the current selection of "notable people" are living current residents, criteria which are significantly more selective than simply all notable people. [[User:RookWeaver|RookWeaver]] ([[User talk:RookWeaver|talk]]) 05:27, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
::::As I said above, I don't see a problem with the change. [[User talk:Donald Albury|Donald Albury]] 16:58, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
== Who's Brian? ==
The article references Brian's thoughts multiple times and cites Brian's pages. Where are these pages from? What is Brian's last name? [[User:Filia Pirate|Filia Pirate]] ([[User talk:Filia Pirate|talk]]) 03:32, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
:Oops sorry, I found the book in the citations. I wasn't looking at the right spot, but I'll edit the page to identify the Brian. [[User:Filia Pirate|Filia Pirate]] ([[User talk:Filia Pirate|talk]]) 03:34, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
== Memorial Benches ==
There was a memorial bench dedicated in the memory of MARY MURRAY, located on Buena Vista adjacent to one the Mallory Hills golf courses and very close to the Lake Miona Rec Center. Unfortunately, the bench was all but demolished by some maintenance quipment and removed to be replaced. That happened almost 2 months ago. I have had several conversations with Jill with District Gov., who has been greatly informative and helpful; however, she had no time frame for the bench to be replaced. I have had numerous inquiries from Mary's friends about the bench, all of who has stated that they greatly miss seeing her bench and talking to Mary (Mary is looking down from heaven, wondering when her bench will be restored). Please let me know when we can expect Mary's memorial bench to be restored and replaced and let me know if there is anything I can do to have it replaced real, real soon. Thanks you in advance and have a blest day. [[User:Gilmermurray|Gilmermurray]] ([[User talk:Gilmermurray|talk]]) 15:19, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
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