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: From the Strategy game wiki article: ″A strategy game or strategic game is a game (e.g. a board game) in which the players' uncoerced, and often autonomous decision-making skills have a high significance in determining the outcome. Almost all strategy games require internal decision tree style thinking, and typically very high situational awareness." Sounds like a MOBA/ARTS to me. [[User:Aozf05|Aozf05]] ([[User talk:Aozf05|talk]]) 19:59, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
== Can we find reliable sources for these two claims? ==
It's about [[MOBA]] origins so we talk about very old game. Problem is that ''[[Future Cop: LAPD]]'' is one of the originators of the genre so it's not the best idea to remove information about it from the article. [[User:EchoBlu|EchoBlu]] ([[User talk:EchoBlu|talk]]) 11:28, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
"... making ''Future Cop: LAPD'' the first MOBA game released as, unlike ''Herzog Zwei'', it meets the criteria of an online battle arena." {{citation needed}}
* {{Comment}} Any reliable reference about why is Future Cop: LAPD a (first) multiplayer online battle arena game is welcome. [[User:EchoBlu|EchoBlu]] ([[User talk:EchoBlu|talk]])
* {{Comment}} That's my contribution claiming FC LAPD to be the first ever MOBA. The reason for this is because it was the first MOBA type gameplay to include the 'Online' component (multiplayer *online* battle arena). This is certainly the case. Reference this summary from 1999: [https://www.neoseeker.com/futurecop/ Link], as well as the box art which states also that it's competitive (Precinct Assault) mode includes online multiplayer: [https://www.mobygames.com/game/future-cop-lapd/cover-art/gameCoverId,203048/ Link]. [[User:DylanDesign|DylanDesign]]
"Aeon64 stated that he was attempting to create gameplay similar to that of Future Cop: LAPD's Precinct Assault mode." {{citation needed}}
* {{Comment}} This statement will be removed if reference can't be found, but it will be interesting if this claim is true. [[User:EchoBlu|EchoBlu]] ([[User talk:EchoBlu|talk]])
: I'm not convinced either claim is perfectly accurate. ''Herzog Zwei'' has been cited as an early MOBA(-esque) game, as the article attests. Furthermore:
:: {{talkquote|Technically, ''Aeon of Strife'' itself wasn't the first example of this [MOBA] gameplay exactly, that honor would go to either Technosoft's ''Herzog Zwei'' (1989), quoted as directly inspiring the original ''WarCraft'', or EA Redwood Shores's ''Future Cop: L.A.P.D.'' 's (1998) 'Precinct Assault' mode depending on your definition of the genre ...}}
:* {{cite paper |title=It's Mods All The Way Down |first=Stefan |last=Lopuszanski |date=4 July 2019 |doi=10.13140/RG.2.2.25818.08644 |publisher=[[University of Connecticut]]}}
: As for the claim that ''Aeon of Strife'' was modeled after ''Future Cop'', ''[[USgamer]]'' notes that:
:: {{talkquote|Eventually a mapmaker even created a custom map for ''StarCraft'' '''that was rumored to have been inspired heavily''' by ''Future Cop'' 's own Precinct Assault called ''Aeon of Strife''.}} (emphasis added)
:* {{cite web |url=https://www.usgamer.net/articles/the-rise-and-fall-of-visceral-games |title=The Rise and Fall of Visceral Games |first=Caty |last=McCarthy |date=19 October 2017 |website=[[USgamer]]}}
: I could find no reliable sources that confirm either claim, rather speak against them. Another good source I found on the topic in general:
:* {{cite web |url=https://venturebeat.com/2014/09/01/the-history-of-mobas-from-mod-to-sensation/ |title=The history of MOBAs: From mod to sensation |first=Mike |last=Minotti |date=1 September 2014 |website=[[VentureBeat]]}}
: Regards, [[User:IceWelder|<span style="font-variant: small-caps;">IceWelder</span>]] [[[User talk:IceWelder|<span style="color: #424242;">✉</span>]]] 12:30, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
::Related to this type of claim, I was thinking of making a table at video game genre to list, where we can, the first known and the "accepted" defining game of each major genre. Some genres, like adventure games this would be one and the same (arguably Colossal Cave Adventure, but I'd have to check), but you get to these more advanced genres and you have cases like MOBA where here, Aeon of Strife is recognized as the defining game, but you have one or two examples of games that may have proceeded it but didn't define it. Same with roguelikes; Rogue's the defining game (dur), but there's a few known preceeding games that got lost to time. Anyone see an issue with this? --[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 15:36, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
== section "Resemblance to other genres" ==
i am most certainly not an expert, but looking from the sidelines, MOBAs always reminded me primarily of old tower defense games. is that just a fluke on my side? i didn't just want to add it to the section, but its absence was odd to me. Opinions? --[[Special:Contributions/91.64.58.74|91.64.58.74]] ([[User talk:91.64.58.74|talk]]) 13:41, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
:We'd need to have sources that they are related. The closest similarity is that they both have towers. Otherwise I don't consider them at all related myself. -- [[User:Ferret|ferret]] ([[User_talk:Ferret|talk]]) 14:20, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
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I've read the history of this article and I didn't see Mobile Legends in the mainstream popularity part. [[Special:Contributions/49.145.57.216|49.145.57.216]] ([[User talk:49.145.57.216|talk]]) 15:39, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
:Are there sources that discuss its mainstream popularity? The article isn't meant to hold a list of every popular game. -- [[User:Ferret|ferret]] ([[User_talk:Ferret|talk]]) 15:41, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
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