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Line 1: {{FailedGA\|16:13, 14 November 2020 (UTC)\|topic=VIdeo games\|page=2}} {{FailedGA\|21:36, 30 August 2020 (UTC)\|topic=Video games\|page=1}} {{Talk header~~\|archive_age=60\|archive_bot=lowercase sigmabot III~~}} {{WikiProject Video games \|class=B \|importance=High}}▼ {{Old merge full\|otherpage=Dota (genre)\|date=20 October 2010\|result=No consensus\|talk=Talk:Multiplayer online battle arena/Archive 1#Merger proposal}} {{Old afd\|Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Moba Genre\|delete}} {{WikiProject banner shell\|class=B\| ▲{{WikiProject Video games \|class=B \|importance=High}} }} {{Old move \|from1=Action real-time strategy \|destination1=Multiplayer online battle arena\|result1=Moved\|date1=13 July 2012\|link1=Talk:Multiplayer online battle arena/Archive 2#Requested move Line 40 ⟶ 42: : From the Strategy game wiki article: ″A strategy game or strategic game is a game (e.g. a board game) in which the players' uncoerced, and often autonomous decision-making skills have a high significance in determining the outcome. Almost all strategy games require internal decision tree style thinking, and typically very high situational awareness." Sounds like a MOBA/ARTS to me. [[User:Aozf05\|Aozf05]] ([[User talk:Aozf05\|talk]]) 19:59, 3 May 2020 (UTC) ~~== ARTS (action real-time strategy)? ==~~ I've heard that Valve call DOTA 2 ARTS but besides that I didn't find any source that use ARTS term, especially synonymous to MOBA. [[User:QueenToF7\|QueenToF7]] ([[User talk:QueenToF7\|talk]]) 16:45, 4 January 2020 (UTC) I have to agree with you, it feels like this term is artificially pushed on Wikipedia (unintentionally). It doesn't reflect true state which can be found in sources. This name has become a "fact" just because it exists on this Wikipedia page for the last 10 years. Maybe it was debatable 10 years ago, when the name was pushed by Valve but, besides Wikipedia, no one ever adopted that name. [[User:EchoBlu\|EchoBlu]] ([[User talk:EchoBlu\|talk]]) 01:45, 5 January 2020 (UTC) That's... simply not true. While ARTS may be dead as a term now, the debates and fights over the genres name were long and sourcing existed for multiple names, including the very simplistic "Dota-like" title. Reliable secondary sources used all three terms interchangably for a long time before MOBA eventually won out (and consensus on Wikipedia finally consolidated around it) -- [[User:Ferret\|ferret]] ([[User_talk:Ferret\|talk]]) 01:28, 7 January 2020 (UTC) I am not sure that you understand me correctly. Maybe "dota-like" and "action real-time strategy" are for history section (or footnote), but it's not a common term to be in the lead section. As one example, simple Google search can confirm that – both in raw search numbers and the number of reliable sources in last 4-5 years [[User:EchoBlu\|EchoBlu]] ([[User talk:EchoBlu\|talk]]) 01:38, 7 January 2020 (UTC) *Correct, it's no longer common. In the past however, this article was actually named ARTS at times instead of MOBA as the source usage shifted each way. It used to be very prevalent. -- [[User:Ferret\|ferret]] ([[User_talk:Ferret\|talk]]) 02:52, 7 January 2020 (UTC) This is mainly attributable to Riot Games pushing the MOBA label during the early days of this genre's mainstream history. League was, regrettably, the more popular title and so MOBA caught on in the media more than Valve's preferred term, ARTS, which imo is more descriptive and indicates the genre's origin. I'm also still partial to Dota-like because as yet, MOBA is an increasingly broad umbrella term with less and less meaning as more diverse, less Dota-like games are made under that label. There isn't really a term to describe the very specific game type that is Dota so I don't see why we can't push the term Dota-like until it catches on as a subset of MOBA. It's not like there isn't precedent for this naming convention. See roguelikes.[[User:Aozf05\|Aozf05]] ([[User talk:Aozf05\|talk]]) 19:46, 3 May 2020 (UTC) == Can we find reliable sources for these two claims? == Line 76 ⟶ 70: i am most certainly not an expert, but looking from the sidelines, MOBAs always reminded me primarily of old tower defense games. is that just a fluke on my side? i didn't just want to add it to the section, but its absence was odd to me. Opinions? --[[Special:Contributions/91.64.58.74\|91.64.58.74]] ([[User talk:91.64.58.74\|talk]]) 13:41, 30 January 2022 (UTC) :We'd need to have sources that they are related. The closest similarity is that they both have towers. Otherwise I don't consider them at all related myself. -- [[User:Ferret\|ferret]] ([[User_talk:Ferret\|talk]]) 14:20, 30 January 2022 (UTC) == MLBB is not a MOBA? == I've read the history of this article and I didn't see Mobile Legends in the mainstream popularity part. [[Special:Contributions/49.145.57.216\|49.145.57.216]] ([[User talk:49.145.57.216\|talk]]) 15:39, 29 December 2023 (UTC) :Are there sources that discuss its mainstream popularity? The article isn't meant to hold a list of every popular game. -- [[User:Ferret\|ferret]] ([[User_talk:Ferret\|talk]]) 15:41, 29 December 2023 (UTC)