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== Images ==
▲[[image:Black-necked Stilt.jpg|left|thumb|250px|Auto (software) thumbnail]]
<div style="float:right; margin-left:15px; margin-right:10px; width:252px; text-align:center">
[[image:Black-necked Stilt-252.jpg]]<br>
<small>''Manual thumbnail''.<br>
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I have a problem with the new thumbnail code. It just doesn't produce a quality result. Compare the two images. The difference speaks for itself. [[User:Tannin|Tannin]] 12:30, 5 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Errm... click on enlarge: the large image already looks fuzzy to me... [[User:Lupo|Lupo]] 12:39, 5 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Is that better? I sharpened the large image marginally. The small image (software generated) should also improve now (seeing as it has a sharper original to work from) but it still won't be nearly as good as an image generated by a system with a human being in the loop.
(You may have to clear your cache to see the differences.) [[User:Tannin|Tannin]]▼
Ah... ''"it still won't be nearly as good as an image generated by a system with a human being in the loop"'' — you ''are'' aware of that. Apparently I had misunderstood; I thought your problem was that a human could outperform the software on a visual task... I don't think the SW is to blame in this case: its task is to produce thumbnails, and of course those will be fuzzy if the original is fuzzy. It's not the task of the SW to automatically sharpen an image. So, where's the problem? :-) [[User:Lupo|Lupo]] 12:52, 5 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Quite so: a re-sized image nearly always needs sharpening and the software ''can't'' sharpen the image, as the required ''amount'' of sharpening varies from one image to the next. It needs the eye of a human being to judge the correct amount, and also to apply any other corrections needed. For example, in the stilt thumbnail at right, I also upped the gamma just a fraction, to give the image a visual lift. (Obviously, a serious PhotoShop jockey would do a good deal more than that, but that takes a great deal of time and/or skill - what I did took about five mouse clicks.) Also, a human can select a good reduction ratio, as even-number shrinks produce the sharpest, clearest thumbnails (i.e., a 50% or 33.3% shrink looks better than a 54% or 29% shrink) and it's often possible to find an even % shrink number that is close enough to the desired size for practical purposes and yet still retains as much quality as possible.)
That's my point: I don't like having the software do the shrinking. It was a great idea, and doubtless some very clever coding) but the images it produces can't compete with the images you and I (as humans) can produce. We are better off not using it. Make sense? [[User:Tannin|Tannin]] 13:44, 5 Feb 2004 (UTC)
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Yes, that makes sense, but I still like it. The software seems to do an adequate job on most images. Maybe it's not perfect for photographs, but other images (diagrams, flags, and so on) should be less problematic. The above is also an extreme case, because it started off with a fuzzy big image. With reasonably sharp originals, I have so far not come across a software thumbnail I found unacceptable—but hey, maybe my standards are just too low :-)
About the resize ratio: you ''do'' have control over that. Just specify the width in pixels as a reasonable fraction of the original image's size. For instance, the big image is 600 * 624 px. I'd try scaling this down to 300 or maybe 200px, but probably not to 250 or 252px (41.67% or 42%):
[[image:Black-necked Stilt.jpg|right|thumb|252px|Auto thumbnail (252px)]]
[[image:Black-necked Stilt.jpg|left|thumb|250px|Auto thumbnail (250px)]]
Using an integer shrink percentage (252px = 42%; on the '''right''') already gives a slightly better result than the fractional 250px (41.67%) on the '''left'''. (Although the shrink ''factor'' is fractional then: with 250px, the factor is 2.4, with 252px, it's 2.3809... so what is important here? Factors or percentages?)
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When it matters, I play around with the thumbnail sizes until I get a reasonable result. The auto-generated thumbnails for this picture for instance look acceptable to me at 300px (50%) or 270px (45%). And when it ''really'' matters, I'd just do what you did and produce a manual thumbnail.
[[User:Lupo|Lupo]] 08:42, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)
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I have replaced the picture of Black-winged stilts in flight with one that shows a lot more detail. The new picture was taken in Rajasthan, across the country from Kolkata. The birds, however, look pretty similar so I see no reason to keep the older picture. See comparison below:
[[File:Black_winged_Stilt_I-_Kolkata_IMG_0400.jpg|thumb|left|300px|Old one]]
[[File:Black-winged stilts in flight.jpg|thumb|400px|New one]]
[[User:Rushil2u|Rushil2u]] ([[User talk:Rushil2u|talk]]) 17:13, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
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==Range==
My book gives the southern breeding limit of Black-necked Stilt as southern Chile, S Argentina and the West Indies. Is there a split I don't know about, or is the range just wrong? If the latter, the "where to see bit becomes very parochial". [[User:Jimfbleak|jimfbleak]] 06:35, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
Very confusing page. The range map is for stilts generally, but the page is for one species. The map had me wondering why I'd never seen one. Well, because they're N American vagrants. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/2601:2C6:4300:6EE0:9C08:E030:3F08:26BB|2601:2C6:4300:6EE0:9C08:E030:3F08:26BB]] ([[User talk:2601:2C6:4300:6EE0:9C08:E030:3F08:26BB#top|talk]]) 00:03, 20 January 2022 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
==Most sources?==
I don't know about this bird's taxonomy yet, but BirdLife International is a funny definition of most sources. —[[User talk:Innotata|''innotata'']] 00:34, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
:Aha, as far as I recall, there is some difference of opinion over how many taxa should be included under this speices or split out. Not sure where we're up to with it. Worth fleshing out though. I am not familiar with the bird myslef [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 02:52, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
== [[:File:Himantopus himantopus - Pak Thale.jpg]] to appear as POTD ==
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== "It is widely distributed" ==
Does that mean worldwide and if so where? Or is it just limited to Thailand? [[User:Simply south|Simply]][[User talk:Simply south| south]]....[[User:Simply south/Poem|..]] ''catching SNOWballs for just 6 years'' 12:24, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
:The article's a bit of a mess, but the main text clarifies the distribution. Exactly how widely depends on the view taken as to whther the American and NZ forms are subspecies or full species <b style="font-family:chiller; color:red;">[[User:Jimfbleak|<span style="color:red;">Jimfbleak</span>]] - </b>[[User talk:Jimfbleak|<span style="font-family:arial; color:green;"> talk to me?</span>]] 16:11, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
::I missed that. Thanks. [[User:Simply south|Simply]][[User talk:Simply south| south]]....[[User:Simply south/Poem|..]] ''catching SNOWballs for just 6 years'' 18:10, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
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