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I'm sorry, Macedonia? I thought we were discussing Bosnia and Herzegovina being a [[protectorate]], as many highly reputable sources state ad [[verbatim]]. By the way, thanks for the pointer to a discussion at the [[Talk:Bosnia_and_Herzegovina#Calling_of_Bosnia_and_Herzgovina.27s_government|Bosnia and Herzegovina Talk page]]. Feel free to contribute. [[User:Overdtop|Overdtop]] ([[User talk:Overdtop#top|talk]]) 21:37, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
:If you had bothered to read the decision on that page you would have found this: {{tq|''"The disputes presented in this case, while focusing specifically on issues related to Macedonia, are part of a broader set of conflicts prevalent over the entire range of articles concerning the Balkans; see, for example, the Dalmatia caseand the Kosovo case. Many of these conflicts are grounded in matters external to Wikipedia, including long-standing historical, national, and ethnic disputes in the region. '''The area of conflict in this case shall therefore be considered to be the entire set of Balkan-related articles, broadly interpreted'''."''}}. So it applies to '''all''' articles relating to the Balkans, broadly construed. [[User:Thomas.W|'''Thomas.W''']] [[User talk:Thomas.W|'''''<sup><small> talk</small></sup>''''']] 21:49, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
The '''"long-standing historical, national, and ethnic disputes"''' reasoning reads like an exciting bedtime [[conspiracy theory]]. There is a reason why separate countries exist, it's called [[sovereignty]]. Lumping together various nations based on a conspiracy theory denies the peoples of those nations their rights to freedom. So drop the [[Fear_mongering|scare tactics]] and start discussing Bosnia and Herzegovina being a [[protectorate]] as stated by numerous reliable [[science|scientific]] sources, and why in your opinion it would be against Wikipedia rules to state a fact like that. Thanks. [[User:Overdtop|Overdtop]] ([[User talk:Overdtop#top|talk]]) 22:14, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
:"Scare tactics"? Don't be silly, you got the notice because the rules say that editors active in areas where discretionary sanctions apply should be notified about it. So save your conspiracy theories and arguments for the talk pages of the articles you want to change. [[User:Thomas.W|'''Thomas.W''']] [[User talk:Thomas.W|'''''<sup><small> talk</small></sup>''''']] 22:25, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
You started first, by quoting some uneducated guess in a Macedonia-related topic which has made someone reach an utterly inhumane conclusion that entire peoples need to be herder rather than observed with dignity. In that [[genocide|genocidal]] and therefore irrelevant example you cited, a well-known and vehemently opposed conspiracy theory was used, that's been around for ages. It goes something like this: "they are all wild savages in this region we will arbitrarily call the Balkans, so let's circle them with barbwire, and watch the fun slaughter". That is so ridiculous, in addition to being inhumane. For example, the use of the "Balkans" - did they mean [[Greece]] too? How about [[Bulgaria]] then? Oh well... As I already told you, stop the [[fear mongering]] with your rubbish arguments, and start discussing why in your opinion stating the regime type correctly for '''a country''' would violate Wikipedia rules. You can discuss it here as per your original suggestion, or at Bosnia and Herzegovina Talk as per your second suggestion. Same to me: '''I got 1000s of reliable sources, you got 0'''. [[User:Overdtop|Overdtop]] ([[User talk:Overdtop#top|talk]]) 22:41, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
:??? I intend to go to bed now, and judging by your incoherent post above so should you. [[User:Thomas.W|'''Thomas.W''']] [[User talk:Thomas.W|'''''<sup><small> talk</small></sup>''''']] 22:48, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
Why the [[ad hominem]] attack? I certainly didn't insult you, did I? Your refusal to discuss in Talk pages can only mean you admit you have no case. [[User:Overdtop|Overdtop]] ([[User talk:Overdtop#top|talk]]) 22:55, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
*Overdtop, you can follow the link in that templated notice yourself and see what's happening. The subject matter we're discussing certainly falls under the purview of these sanctions. You can argue geography all you want but that's not going to help: I urge you to be careful in your edits and your comments. Thank you, [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 00:54, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
::Why would anyone trust someone's use of [[prejudice]] to allegedly fight another prejudice? Do you realize how ridiculous that is? [[User:Overdtop|Overdtop]] ([[User talk:Overdtop#top|talk]]) 01:09, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
*I just noticed that you reverted even after being warned, after counterarguments on the article talk page, after all this on your talk page--you should know that I could block you right now for this. I won't, but next time I will. Just to stay on the safe side I'll also say that you are in edit-warring territory; see [[WP:EW]] and [[WP:3R]]. Thank you. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 01:14, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
::According to your profile, you are fluent in Dutch. So let me ask you: are you Dutch? For if you are, you should not be involved with Bosnia articles, for obvious historical reasons such as [[Srebrenica massacre]] (by the same token of [[prejudice]] you use on that noticeboard for grouping all the "Balkans people" based on some Macedonia issue). Clearly, I'm asking so that I can '''report you for abuse of administrative privileges''', again based on the same type of argument you use when arbitrarily relating Macedonia to Bosnia to Dalmatia to Kosovo to... the "Balkans". Your nationality, please? [[User:Overdtop|Overdtop]] ([[User talk:Overdtop#top|talk]]) 01:22, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
:::Overdtop, arguing that some other contributor should not participate due to his nationality is a quick route to being sanctioned yourself. I am starting to wonder why you are not blocked yet. The good advice that was left for you above has made no impression. [[User:EdJohnston|EdJohnston]] ([[User talk:EdJohnston|talk]]) 01:53, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
::::Sorry you didn't get it that resorting to pseudo-arguments works both ways. Sure Drmies can ban me, but I'm still reporting him for [[Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Edit_warring#User:Thomas.W_reported_by_User:Overdtop_.28Result:_No_violation--at_least_not_by_Thomas.W_.29|violation of administrator privileges]]. [[User:Overdtop|Overdtop]] ([[User talk:Overdtop#top|talk]]) 02:16, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
== November 2014 ==
[[Image:Stop hand nuvola.svg|30px|alt=Stop icon]] You may be '''[[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked from editing]] without further warning''' the next time you [[Wikipedia:Disruptive editing|disrupt Wikipedia]]. ''You have absolutely no reason to modify an admin's closing statement.''<!-- Template:uw-generic4 --> [[User:NeilN|<b style="color:navy">Neil<span style="color:red">N</span></b>]] <sup>[[User talk:NeilN|<i style="color:blue">talk to me</i>]]</sup> 02:24, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
:The reason for modifying is simple: abuse of administrator privileges by Drmies for closing in record-breaking time in order to prevent other users to voice their opinion, such as Sabahudin9 who clearly support me and was also reverting the reported user's edits. Is there anybody here on Wikipedia who actually cares about what's right and what's wrong, what the rules are, and how they are (not) implemented?! [[User:Overdtop|Overdtop]] ([[User talk:Overdtop#top|talk]]) 02:27, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
::[[User:Drmies|Drmies]] is an '''uninvolved''' admin. If you have a problem with his admin actions, take it to [[WP:ANI]] after your block. --[[User:NeilN|<b style="color:navy">Neil<span style="color:red">N</span></b>]] <sup>[[User talk:NeilN|<i style="color:blue">talk to me</i>]]</sup> 02:32, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
<div class="user-block" style="min-height: 40px"> [[Image:Stop x nuvola with clock.svg|40px|left|alt=Stop icon with clock]] You have been '''[[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked]]''' temporarily from editing for persistent [[Wikipedia:Disruptive editing|disruptive editing]]. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to [[Wikipedia:Five pillars|make useful contributions]]. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may [[Wikipedia:Appealing a block|appeal this block]] by adding the following text below this notice: <!-- Copy the text as it appears on your page, not as it appears in this edit area. Do not include the "tlx|" code. -->{{tlx|unblock|2=reason=''Your reason here ~~~~''}}. However, you should read the [[Wikipedia:Guide to appealing blocks|guide to appealing blocks]] first. '''<span style="font-family:Arial;">[[User:Acroterion|<span style="color:black;">Acroterion</span>]] <small>[[User talk:Acroterion|<span style="color:gray;">(talk)</span>]]</small></span>''' 02:29, 15 November 2014 (UTC)</div><!-- Template:uw-vblock -->
{{unblock reviewed | 1=abuse of administrator privileges by Drmies for closing [[Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Edit_warring#User:Thomas.W_reported_by_User:Overdtop_.28Result:_No_violation--at_least_not_by_Thomas.W_.29|this report]] in record-breaking time in order to prevent other users to voice their opinion, such as Sabahudin9 who clearly supported me and was also reverting the reported user's and his sock puppet's edits. The closing admin didn't even consider my request for sock puppet though its obvious the reported users pass the DUCK test. Finally, thousands of scholars, jurists and journalists say it loud and clear that Bosnia and Herzegovina is a [[protectorate]] but this admin misuses administrator privileges to bend the rules so much that they don't apply any more to Bosnia and Herzegovina alone, using some colonial reasoning of "all Balkans peoples are the same". User:Sabahudin9 has reverted reported editor's edits too, like [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Republika_Srpska&diff=633875777&oldid=633873644 here], and has said: '''"Everything that user "Overdtop" added, removed or changed was sourced"'''. [[User:Overdtop|Overdtop]] ([[User talk:Overdtop#top|talk]]) 02:44, 15 November 2014 (UTC) | decline = Drmies close of the report at ANEW was reasonable and sober. There were two reverts by Thomas W and your claim of socking is not credible; it certainly does not, in any way, reach the threshold of DUCK. Edit warring over the close on ''the edit warring noticeboard'' is especially daft. Following it up with an odd rant purporting nationalist motives is not constructive. You've made no attempt to acknowledge or mitigate this poor behavior in your request or in the discussions above, so unblocking is out of the question. [[User:Kuru|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#cd853f; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">Kuru</span>]] [[User talk:Kuru|<span style="color:#f5deb3">''(talk)''</span>]] 14:37, 15 November 2014 (UTC)}}
:Your attack on Drmies is utterly unacceptable. National prejudices of that kind are not tolerated on Wikipedia. '''<span style="font-family:Arial;">[[User:Acroterion|<span style="color:black;">Acroterion</span>]] <small>[[User talk:Acroterion|<span style="color:gray;">(talk)</span>]]</small></span>''' 02:32, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
::What prejudices? I was making an example of his prejudice by making him face one himself. Or you didn't get it? How did you become an administrator on Wikipedia if you're unable to grasp such simple meanings even? [[User:Overdtop|Overdtop]] ([[User talk:Overdtop#top|talk]]) 02:44, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
:::You missed a whole bunch of quite elementary things with that zeal of yours (including that the one editor you mentioned who agrees with you didn't edit the Bosnia article), and one of them is that I didn't define the scope of "Balkans", ArbCom did. Duh. And don't flatter yourself: you didn't make me "face" a prejudice; all I faced was someone who doesn't realize that when you throw shit most of it sticks to your own hands, and the shit you do get to throw is usually poorly aimed. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 03:01, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
:You were blocked for a gross personal attack: your unblock request fails to address that. '''<span style="font-family:Arial;">[[User:Acroterion|<span style="color:black;">Acroterion</span>]] <small>[[User talk:Acroterion|<span style="color:gray;">(talk)</span>]]</small></span>''' 03:12, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
::It appears that [[User:Overdtop]] "borrowed" his user page from [[User:Acetotyce]]. He even took the two GA stars at the upper right. Overdtop has not worked on either of the two articles named, [[Great northern tilefish]] or [[U2 360° Tour]]. [[User:EdJohnston|EdJohnston]] ([[User talk:EdJohnston|talk]]) 04:47, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
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== November 2014 ==
<div class="user-block" style="min-height: 40px"> [[Image:Stop x nuvola.svg|40px|left|alt=Stop icon]] You have been '''[[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked]]''' '''indefinitely''' from editing for [[Wikipedia:Disruptive editing|abuse of editing privileges]]. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may [[Wikipedia:Appealing a block|appeal this block]] by adding the following text below this notice: <!-- Copy the text as it appears on your page, not as it appears in this edit area. Do not include the "tlx|" code. -->{{tlx|unblock|2=reason=''Your reason here ~~~~''}}. However, you should read the [[Wikipedia:Guide to appealing blocks|guide to appealing blocks]] first. '''<span style="font-family:Arial;">[[User:Acroterion|<span style="color:black;">Acroterion</span>]] <small>[[User talk:Acroterion|<span style="color:gray;">(talk)</span>]]</small></span>''' 21:26, 15 November 2014 (UTC)</div><!-- Template:uw-blockindef -->
{{unblock reviewed|reason=This was a bad-faith block since:
* [[User:Overdtop|I was '''permanently''' blocked]] in a record-breaking time while the case is '''still open''' so that I couldn't respond in the [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Bosnipedian#Comments_by_other_users|appropriate section]] of the case notice ("[[Catch-22_(logic)|catch 22]]")
* this is only my second block ever
* the only previous block was actually a mildest warning-block (for 31 hrs)
* the permanent block came right after the mildest one
* even the first block has been made in a record-breaking time so to prevent me from participating in the blocking-noticeboard discussion on a report I filed against another user for [[Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/3RRArchive262#User:Thomas.W_reported_by_User:Overdtop_.28Result:_No_violation--at_least_not_by_Thomas.W_.2C_Overdtop_blocked_for_personal_attack.29|sockpuppetry for evading 3RR]] (I wanted to counter the lie in that discussion that no one supported my edits though for example [[User:Sabahudin9]] specifically stated that ''[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Republika_Srpska&diff=634398668&oldid=633875777 "'''''Everything that user "Overdtop" added, removed or changed was sourced"'''''])
* the above repetition of speediness supports the bad faith point
* a relevant example of paranoid group-attack, demonstrating bad faith: in the [[Bosnia and Herzegovina]] article, that country's regime is stated as "Federal parliamentary republic" but '''without any references'''. However when I provided a [[Peace Magazine|highly reliable source]] stating the country's regime as an international [[protectorate]], namely a review of a highly reliable book edited by a distinguished Canadian professor and published by a highly reputable publisher [[Elsevier]], I was literally sacked. Note there are many more reliable sources that call Bosnia and Herzegovina a protectorate, and from what I can tell no reference at all that calls it a "federal parliamentary republic"; see [[Talk:Bosnia_and_Herzegovina#Calling_of_Bosnia_and_Herzgovina.27s_government|this Talk discussion on that]]. Since when does Wikipedia invent facts and sacks editors who correct obvious errors?
* another example of [[paranoia]]: I have no idea who this ancient account Bosnipidian is that I'm accused of been associated with, and no one else seems to know either. Still, some are misusing that ancient case [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Bosnipedian&action=history '''of 5 years ago'''] which supports my thesis this was a [[paranoia]]-based [[lynching]] sort of speak, demonstrating bad faith.
[[User:Overdtop|Overdtop]] ([[User talk:Overdtop#top|talk]]) 22:44, 18 November 2014 (UTC)|decline=Unblock requests that contain personal attacks are not considered. [[User:Jpgordon|--jpgordon]]<sup><small>[[User talk:Jpgordon|::==( o )]]</small></sup> 01:44, 19 November 2014 (UTC)}}
{{unblock reviewed | 1=This was a bad-faith block since: * [[User:Overdtop|I was '''permanently''' blocked]] in a record-breaking time while the case is '''still open''' so that I couldn't respond in the [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Bosnipedian#Comments_by_other_users|appropriate section]] of the case notice ("[[Catch-22_(logic)|catch 22]]") * this is only my second block ever * the only previous block was actually a mildest warning-block (for 31 hrs) * the permanent block came right after the mildest one * even the first block has been made in a record-breaking time so to prevent me from participating in the blocking-noticeboard discussion on a report I filed against another user for [[Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/3RRArchive262#User:Thomas.W_reported_by_User:Overdtop_.28Result:_No_violation--at_least_not_by_Thomas.W_.2C_Overdtop_blocked_for_personal_attack.29|sockpuppetry for evading 3RR]] (I wanted to counter the lie in that discussion (which said that no one supported my edits) by stating the fact that [[User:Sabahudin9]] stated that ''[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Republika_Srpska&diff=634398668&oldid=633875777 "'''''Everything that user "Overdtop" added, removed or changed was sourced"''''']) * the above repetition of speediness supports the bad faith point * a relevant example of bad faith: in the [[Bosnia and Herzegovina]] article, that country's regime is stated as "Federal parliamentary republic" but '''without citing sources'''. However when I provided a [[Peace Magazine|highly reliable source]] stating the country's regime as an international [[protectorate]], namely a review of a highly reliable book edited by a distinguished Canadian professor and published by a highly reputable publisher [[Elsevier]], I was sacked. Note there are many more reliable sources that call Bosnia and Herzegovina a protectorate, and from what I can tell no reference at all that calls it a "federal parliamentary republic"; see [[Talk:Bosnia_and_Herzegovina#Calling_of_Bosnia_and_Herzgovina.27s_government|this Talk discussion on that]]. According to its current rules, Wikipedia is supposed to state facts * another example of bad faith: I have no idea who this ancient account Bosnipidian is that I'm accused of been associated with, and no one else seems to know either. Still, some are misusing that ancient case [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Bosnipedian&action=history '''of 5 years ago''']. [[User:Overdtop|Overdtop]] ([[User talk:Overdtop#top|talk]]) 16:07, 19 November 2014 (UTC) | decline = I have far better things to do with my time than giving a point-by-point refutation of every off-topic comment in that wall of text, and I expect all other administrators have too. However, the unblock request addresses neither the reason for the block nor the reason given for declining the previous request. If you do the same again you may well find your talk page access is removed, to prevent you from wasting yet more administrator time. <small>''The editor who uses the pseudonym''</small> "[[User:JamesBWatson|JamesBWatson]]" ([[User talk:JamesBWatson#top|talk]]) 15:58, 20 November 2014 (UTC)}}
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