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File:Mariupol Drama Theatre Destroyed 2.jpg

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This specific image appears to be from a Facebook post embedded by the linked "source", unaffected by the source's CC licensing. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 20:20, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Clarified license - ivasykus, 20:34, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
O.o I have a screenshot from 2022-03-16T20:24:10Z of the same URL showing an empty description with the same comments below. It was either edited or not displayed to me. This removes the reason for the deletion request. Thanks. Withdrawn. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 20:59, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Not free image. Was previously published Kursant504 (talk) 20:19, 17 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

https://dn.gov.ua/news/rosiyani-zavdali-aviaudaru-po-dramteatru-i-basejnu-neptun-u-mariupoli-takozh-z-gradiv-obstrilyali-avto-kolonu-shcho-jshla-na-zaporizhzhya cc-by-4.0 --PBKIHX (talk) 00:32, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Examples that this photo was published online earlier: 1)Daily Mail published it at 19:46 BST of 16 March 2022 [2]; 2) At twitter at 7:52 of 16 March [3]; 3) At TGcom24 at 18:32 of 16 March [4]; 4) Another twitter-account posted it at 10:22 PM of 16 March: [5]; But It shows foto with watermark “@MARIUPOLNOW” – it is a link to Telegram-channel “Mariupol now” were this foto was published at 19:46 MSK of 16 March. I think that there may be license laundering Commons:License_laundering. The Twitter account (he posted this foto at 20:11 of 16 March), as far as I can see, has no links to the fact that it is the official account of “Donetsk regional military administration”. There is simply an indication of a free license written at the bottom. But it is not really shown that this person is the author of the photo and he has the full copyright on it. Similarly, anyone can simply copy a "iconic" photo "before anyone else" and post it on their account under a free license, although in fact they will not have any rights to it. Any way, even if he really is the author of the photo, but it was published earlier - it cannot be accepted without special permission from VRT.--Kursant504 (talk) 05:16, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Kursant504, there are things called time zones, a "detail" that you "forgot" to mention.
    1-First Daily Mail published this photo in 19:46 BST or 21:46 Kyiv time
    2- Twitter at 17:52 BST or 19:52 Kyiv time (also image in twitter has an watermark showing that the source was the Telegram-channel “Mariupol now”)
    3- TGCom 24 at 18:32 Rome or 19:32 Kyiv time
    4- Other twitter account published this photo at 20:22 BST or 22:22 Kyiv time (also image in twitter has an watermark showing that the source was the Telegram-channel “Mariupol now”)
    5 - Telegram-channel “Mariupol now” published at 19:46 MSK or the exact same time as in Kyiv.
    Despite all what you have said, i showed that the “Donetsk regional military administration” website is licensed under a CC BY-SA 4.0 and that is the official Facebook account of Pavlo Kyrylenko (and Facebook verified), current governor of the Donetsk Oblast and in the link the image is clearly marked as CC BY-SA 4.0.
    Well if until now we have times of 19:32, 19:46, 19:52, 21:22, and 21:46, all in Kyiv time.
    Well, the “Donetsk regional military administration” website published the article about this russian bombing at 19:28 Kyiv time, but the Facebook page was published at 17:12 BST or 19:12 Kyiv time.
    So you have two official publications, published at 19:12 (official and verified Facebook account of Pavlo Kyrylenko) and 19:28 (“Donetsk regional military administration” website), that predate the links sources of 19:32 (TGCom 24), 19:46 (Telegram-channel “Mariupol now”), 19:52 (Twitter showing the image with the watermark of the Telegram-channel “Mariupol now”), 21:46 (Daily Mail) and 22:22 (Twitter showing the image with the watermark of the Telegram-channel “Mariupol now”), all in Kyiv time.
    So nothing new, as showed this image is clearly correctly licensed, albeit what you have tried to say. Tm (talk) 08:48, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Maybe I didn't understand something, but now I didn't see this foto at this article of the “Donetsk regional military administration” [6]. They deleted it? Why? Kursant504 (talk) 17:40, 21 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    May you write in which time was published this foto here? [7] March 16, 2022 1:55pm - it is 13:55 MSK? Kursant504 (talk) 17:53, 21 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    The image was, it still is and will be in “Donetsk regional military administration” website. If you do not see, maybe it is because of some internet block on Russia or your in a mobile device.
    About the article of New York Post either you do not know (or dont care) that, as is clear by where New York is and the timezone is New York Timezone (NYT). As this article was published at 1:55pm (NYT) but was last updated in "March 16, 2022 6:38pm" (NYT). As this is New York time zone 1:55pm (or 13:55) would be 20:55 Kiev Time and as the last update was 6:38pm March 16 (or 18:38) that would be 01:38 March 17 Kiev time. Again, after being published at 19:12 Kiev time (official and verified Facebook account of Pavlo Kyrylenko) and 19:28 Kiev time (“Donetsk regional military administration” website).
    But you also ommit clear facts and texts in the links you point so as to suit your convinience.
    As i already said why you take your actions, suffice to say that the last article you pointed, you conveniently did not mention that article shows this image in the lead but with an watermark of “@MARIUPOLNOW”, per your own words above this "foto with watermark “@MARIUPOLNOW” – it is a link to Telegram-channel “Mariupol now” were this foto was published at 19:46 MSK of 16 March" (and so before this article being published).
    And, neither do you mention, that in the same article also appears the other photo that waspublished in the same post in the official and verified Facebook account of Pavlo Kyrylenko and the same article in “Donetsk regional military administration” website. Conveniently you also "forget" it´s caption says "This photo released by Donetsk Regional Civil-Military Administration Council on Wednesday, March 16, 2022, shows Mariupol Drama Theatre damaged after the shelling."
    But then again you, per your edits, uploads of putinist propaganda of the Russian MOD, your several deletion requests opened about images with proofs of putinists crimes like the Massacre of Bucha or this selvatic bombardement of civilian building clearly marked as having children, you dont care about copyright, but instead you care to try to hide freely licensed images of putinists crimes against civilians. Tm (talk) 19:37, 22 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]


Also, as pointed by user PBKIHX, the website of the "Donetsk Regional State Administration" shows and links to this same images and clearly says at the bottom of this website "Увесь вміст доступний за ліцензією Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 International license , якщо не зазначено інше", i.e. all content of the Website is licensed under CC-BY 4.0.
Also, as i said in Commons:Deletion requests/File:Ukrainian armed civilians.jpg we have one user user (Kursant504) that "is an prolif uploader of imagery\propaganda taken\released by the Russian Ministry of Defense of this war of agression and that this same regime that he seems to support. (...) Given that he used the same excuse to try to delete several images of the russian perpetrated Massacre of Bucha (the cold and intentional execution of civilians by putinists criminals), the real reasons to want to delete this image, showing putinists war of agression and the ukranian defence, is questionable at best and clear at worst, trying to hide this same putinist war crimes and the ukranian resistance.". So nothing new as in this part he is already well known by some administrators and was blocked for the same kind of shanenigans as can be seen Commons:Administrators'_noticeboard/Blocks_and_protections/Archive_32#User:Kursant504 and Commons:Administrators'_noticeboard/User_problems/Archive_97#Russian_propagandist.
Disclamer and potential COI: Dispite not being ukranian i´ve uploaded several images of the ukranian presidency and international protests against this war of agression. Tm (talk) 19:04, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Kept: no valid reason for deletion. —howcheng {chat} 23:03, 16 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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