Commons:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive 18

User talk:Misatur

User:Misatur has uploaded loads of images that are not within the scope [1]. --08:50, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Time to break out Special:Nuke. Stifle (talk) 15:37, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

All gone; user pointed towards Flickr as a better outlet. Stifle (talk) 15:39, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

I tried to advise "Misatur" of the fact that his files do not meet the Commons' scope. Well, problem solved effectively. --High Contrast (talk) 19:46, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Thumbnails of non-animated GIF images

Hi,

The bug 16451 GIF scaling limit should be applied to animated GIFs only is marked as "fixed" since August, but non animated GIF's on commons are still not being scaled. When I asked about it on bugzilla, I was told that "somebody needs to activate it on Wikimedia". Anybody knows how to do that? --Jarekt (talk) 18:47, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Deleting picture

Hello,

Could someone be so kind to delete the useless versions of File:U1 Renminlu Suzhou.jpg created by me. I'd like to completely get rid of the first version, as a person is visible there and might be identified against its wish. Two of the three other versions are redundant - they are all the same (my computer showed me the wrong result because I forgot to refresh cache) Sorry for the circumstances. User:YYK

 Done, Deleted the first version. --Martin H. (talk) 11:52, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Watchlist User talk:CategorizationBot please

Hi everyone, I moved most of my categorization jobs to a new dedicated bot account. The categorization bots produced a lot of feedback on my talk page (too much for me to cope with). I hope user questions will now end up at User talk:CategorizationBot. I would really appreciate it if people watchlist this page and help answering these questions. Multichill (talk) 20:16, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

I'll keep an eye on it... –Juliancolton | ^Talk 20:25, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Orphan bots

Does Commons have a policy on how to handle orphaned bots? User:FlickreviewR appears to be still active eg[2], but there is no one maintaining it apparently. User:Bryan now says

I am no longer part of the active Commons community and do not intend to become so in the foreseeable future. I won't check this page regularly, so in case you need me, send an mail. -- Bryan (talk to me) 21:36, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

So we have an orphan bot that will no doubt continue to trawl the seas until it hits a reef somewhere. The problem is that while it can no doubt do the job it was set up for, the environment changes and it needs updating. There is already a note on its talk page complaining that it doesn't recognise {{Flickr-no known copyright restrictions}}, and now with User:MGA73bot2 marking everything that contains "flickr.com" for flickr review it is marking derivative images as having bad licenses as it was never designed for that (it should obviously just be checking the source image, which may well have been flickr reviewed long ago and found to have a good license then). --Tony Wills (talk) 20:47, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Bryan is not completely gone thankfully, so in an emergency we can still contact him. That in turn means FlickreviewR is not technically orphaned. That said he is likely to be slow to respond. I got him to carry out a feature request and he also fixed the "no known restriction" problem (both in late July). Of course, future changes are a problem especially if he goes completely. Given the extreme importance of that bot to the project, I think the best solution here is for us to find another bot operator willing to do support - either from taking over/supporting Bryan with that bot or by setting up clone bot(s). The same goes for his other bots (DRBot, BryanBot, CommonsDelinker).

As for the broader question, I'm not aware of a policy on orphaned bots.--Nilfanion (talk) 21:52, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

BTW, Bryan is well aware of this "single maintainer" problem, and has asked before for co-maintainers.[3] Lupo 22:10, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Good to hear that there is some support there still from Bryan. This seems to be a general problem with bots and other tools like Mayflower. Useful additions that need maintanence but people have moved on. I mentioned the same concern at Commons:Bots/Requests/FPCBot, it would be nice if we had some sort of adopt a bot program, or some sort of buddy system for operators of bots that perform ongoing functions, it would save re-inventing the wheel at regular intervals. I see that User:MGA73bot2's owner is very responsive and has updated his bot to avoid some bugs and limitations in User:FlickreviewR so we're ok until the next bug pokes its head up :-) --Tony Wills (talk) 22:19, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

We have the multi-maintainer projects at the Toolserver. User:CommonsDelinker for example is run by multiple admins in a multi-maintainer account. Multichill (talk) 22:24, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

So we should push other bots to become part of this? --Tony Wills (talk) 22:28, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I think we should identify bots and tools important to Commons and encourage more than one maintainer. Multichill (talk) 22:44, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Ps. I'm still looking for one or more co-maintainers for CategorizationBot

Revised image not reflect to article

The height of en:Tokyo Sky Tree is altered to 634m from 610m in design and in under construction. The image file File:Tokyo Sky Tree - Silhouette & Cross section.jpg is up dated to 634m [4]. This update image, however not reflected to article such as en:Tokyo Sky Tree, ja:東京スカイツリー and other articles. This topic is also posted to Commons:Village pump#Revised image not reflect to article November 3.--Namazu-tron (talk) 02:49, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Please see en:Wikipedia:Purge. Walter Siegmund (talk) 04:33, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Problem solved by purge. Thanks a lot.--Namazu-tron (talk) 07:37, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Concern over admin actions and possibly collusion on voting

I am concerned about Lycaon's behaviour as indicated here. It seems quite likely to me that there has been collusion between him and his now acknowledged wife on some issues, particularly voting. His wife's contributions, while appreciated, are rather focussed and at times on the same subjects as her husband's. Whether this is called puppetry or not is rather academic as the effect - removing transparency from voting and colluding - is the same.

As can be seen from the CU page the indication was that Lycaon would be available for comment last Friday. Given his long standing involvement in Commons it seemed appropriate to allow a little more time. However I posted yesterday on his talk page and there is still no response. It may well be that he is away again however this cannot be merely left in abeyance and I feel the community must review this. Lar has cross linked the two user pages now so transparency is now there however I certainly feel that the community was mislead by their voting.

I feel it is now appropriate to seek comments from the community. At the very least I feel any pages/images affected by this collusion should be re-run/reviewed. Thanks --Herby ^{talk thyme} 09:04, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

I cannot see that it matters so much, unless it would be voting on adminship. And even then, "one man one vote", but women may vote too. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 09:44, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

On the other hand there were a number of FPs that failed because of these two votes (with only one of the votes they would have passed) or because these votes turned a tide. Given that his wife did little else than support his positions (contrast the activities of my wife, for example, we are both contributors of some significant history with far different interests, and participate on different wikis to different degrees) that's not really fair. Per Herby, I think the right thing to do is run these FPs over again but without their votes. If they fail again, so be it, but they deserve another chance, in my view. The larger picture here is that an admin and long time trusted member of our community is not being sufficiently communicative... just blowing the whole thing off isn't an appropriate response. ++Lar: t/c 12:10, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Estrilda' gallery shows that she contributed over one hundred photos. That should count as a significant history. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 12:29, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

No one is denying the good contributions of either user.

However because their association was unknown to the community, the community has been mislead.

I agree with Larry - I think that people who are not involved in this should consider whether the voting. If the votes affected or influenced the outcome they should be re-run without participation by Lycaon or his wife.

I think there has been effectively harassment by these two accounts which were seen as quite separate personally but that is why others in the community should look at this.

Based on all I've seen so far and the sad lack of response from Lycaon I personally regret nominating him as an admin here. --Herby ^{talk thyme} 12:50, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

"I appologize for the voting (supporting my husband). That will not happen again." (statement by Estrilda from the CU page). That's reason enough to rerun these votes, in my view. ++Lar: t/c 12:54, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

I agree with Herby and Lar. As a minimum I think

• Commons:Featured picture candidates/File:Kalapana May 2009.jpg

should have its FPC status reconsidered as it failed just by one vote and both Estrilda and Lycaon opposed and Estrilda has acknowledged some kicking back in the form of oppose votes in that time frame. I think there is one more FPC which is affected in the same manner (mila probably knows). Personally I consider it very unlikely that Lycaon has not seen the recent posts both on the RFCU and on his talk page, and I am dissapointed by this lack of response from a user, which I have hithertoe had great respect for and has perceived as a Commons friend. -- Slaunger (talk) 14:23, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

RE:Response: As of what Estrilda wrote[5], he might be on a field trip/excursion without online access. --Túrelio (talk) 14:35, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Looks like conflict of interests for me. It'll be good idea if both persons will contribute to different area of Commons without correlations. --EugeneZelenko (talk) 14:46, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

With regard to Pieter Kuiper's comments, Lar and his wife are a good example of how two people from the same household can contribute productively and appropriately. The difficulty is how hard it is for the rest of the editing community to know whether it's really two independent people, or one person with two accounts, or two family members acting in deliberate collusion. Lycaon is an experienced administrator; it would have been easy for him to have avoided suspicions with proactive disclosure. Yet he didn't, and has hardly responded after Checkuser was run. Estrilda posted to say that Lycaon would be unavailable until Thursday or Friday of last week. We've been patient; Lycaon still hasn't followed up. I don't want to think badly of him, but it would not be good to institute a double standard. Potential vote stacking is a serious matter. Durova (talk) 14:59, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Featured-picture votes are hardly a serious matter. This cannot have been the only example of collaborative backbiting or reciprocal backscratching. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 15:16, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

We all contribute for our own reasons and for our own enjoyment, and while they may not be a serious matter to you, or to me, I am not sure we should make such a blanket pronouncement, and I personally would not presume to. There is a pattern here, it's a bad practice to allow to let stand. I think it is not going to hurt us to rerun some of these and see what happens. I would hope that on a rerun people would put the past aside and comment solely on the merits (that is, neither vote "against" because they were upset about the rerun nor vote "for" out of sympathy or merely because they were upset about the fairness aspect). ++Lar: t/c 15:21, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

One cannot reverse the clock and the context, but it seems evident that there is a simple way of redoing specific FPs if a user request for it. I am more worrying about the silence of Lycaon, although a seaman is never completely predictable. --Foroa (talk) 16:15, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

A featured picture usually represents considerable effort on the part of the editor who contributes it, and sometimes also involves nontrivial outlay for equipment, software, books, etc. from the volunteer's personal funds. Lar's suggestion looks like a good one. Durova (talk) 16:23, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

I certainly agree that anything involving voting should be re-run.

I am happy to acknowledge that a sailor's life may well be unpredictable. However if his wife felt he would be available for comment last Friday the lack of comment concerns me. --Herby ^{talk thyme} 16:29, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

An alternative to revoting could be to simply disregard one of the votes, e.g., Estrelda's on FPCs whose outcome is determined by both users opposing them. That is, an administrative post-promotion of the one I've mentioned and others if such ones pop up. --Slaunger (talk) 18:30, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Good idea, and possibly better because it would resolve the matter without prolonging any conflict or bad feelings. Provisionally, I'd be willing to regard this matter as resolved on that basis, if we close this with an understanding that Lycaon will follow up with a statement when he returns. Sounds fair? Durova (talk) 18:42, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

I'm comfortable with that if others are. ++Lar: t/c 19:21, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

• Commons:Featured picture candidates/Image:Arothron hispidus is kissing my camera at Big Island of Hawaii.jpg is another one of milas which was not featured by one vote and where the two users both opposed the nomination. This one goes back to May 2008 though and I am unsure whether the two oppose votes are due to a deliberate campaign against the nominator at that time or a more objective oppose due the mertis of the photo. However, for the benefit of the doubt and to clearly signal that the accounts should have been cross-linked and that this vote pattern is unacceptable I think this one should be reconsidered as well and administratively promoted. There are some Estrilda votes on Lycaons photos in POTY 2008, but I do not think that reverting those votes would change anything (now) and I cannot see a point in going through the trouble of reverting those. --Slaunger (talk) 19:30, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

As a non-involved user who just happened upon this discussion, I was dismayed at what I read and, being who I am, could not move on without giving what I would hope is the neutral view of an outsider.

As I see it, there are a couple of pointes being discussed all at once:

1. The accounts of Lycaon and Estrilda, with reference to sock puppeting and the questions regarding their relationship.
2. Voting collusion on Featured Pictures
3. Harassment of another user

Of account 3 I have little knowledge and, while it seems to be the more serious claim, it is the one that bothers me the least, since it should be easy to prove or disprove with the relevant diffs. What does bother me is that it seems decided that users are obliged to reveal relationships to other users on the top of their user pages (what "privacy"?). I am not as prolific a contributor as Lycaon and my husband even less so, but I will definitely view it as a gross invasion of privacy if something similar was done on my user page or if it was, gulp!, mandatory. Frankly, it's ridiculous. Sure, when a user is prompted and questioned about suspicious similarities he/she should come clean, but that should not mean that they are obliged to have that acknowledgement be splattered over their userpages if they do not wish it to be. (I can just hear Jack McCoy's voice: "Those cases are sealed, your Honor!")

Too further suggest that married couples focus on different areas on Commons or Wikimedia is just as ridiculous, never mind discriminatory. ("Sorry, ma'am, married couples aren't allowed at the Village Pump...")

Any "collusion" on the picture voting simply cannot be proved and it will be unfair to revert; especially in cases like these. Just because she's his wife and agrees with him makes her vote no less valid than the users who also agreed with him. What about the users who voted for the pictures? How do we know that Mbz1 voted for the picture because it is really good and not because it's *his* picture? What about the other users who didn't provide reasons for the support/opposition? Btw, I'm only using Mbz1 here as an example (since he was both the photographer/nominator), I'm not implying that he did anything improper. I can hardly imagine Lycaon pointing a gun to Estrilda's head, forcing her to vote for a picture she actually doesn't like.

The only problem here - insofar as there even is a problem - is with the voting system itself, but that is a well-known one. As long as it remains a "most votes wins" affair, the motivations behind these subjective votes remain unclear and can only be guessed at. But that is another thing entirely. A bit more than 2c, but there you have it. Anrie (talk) 10:43, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

• I agree with Anrie on this. -- User:Docu at 19:22, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

• I think you two are in the minority here, and I advocate doing as Slaunger suggests, striking the double votes in a few cases (the ones suggested so far) and seeing what the result would then be. There is no perfectly fair solution but in view of Lycaon's complete lack of explanation or even engagement, this strikes me as sending a good message. ++Lar: t/c 12:52, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

• I am as apalled as Anrie. That makes three of us. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 14:34, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

• Which only means that the three of you did not learn the the subject well enough to comment on it.--Mbz1 (talk) 23:38, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

• I think it is a conflict of interest and a betrayal of the common sense that we expect of our administrators to act as Lycaon is alleged to have done. While it is important to be sensitive to the issues that Anrie raises, I don't think it is burdensome not to comment on issues that involve others with whom you have a relationship. My impression is that there are always plenty of pictures to review. It should not be necessary to comment on the same picture as your spouse. Even if a relationship is public, we expect administrators to use good judgement. If it is not public, it is wise to avoid even the appearance of a conflict of interest. I think FP, QI, VI, RfA, and similar pages are ones where care need be exercised. VP would not normally raise this sort of concern. But, if the FP designation has significance, it is only because the selection process appears to be fair and honest. I think any pages/images affected by collusion should be rerun or corrected administratively. Walter Siegmund (talk) 02:46, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

• Disappointed at the lack of a follow-up thus far. Estrilda, any updates? –Juliancolton | ^Talk 00:12, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
  • I am not an admin, but I have been bold and silently (i.e. without reopening for a new review) post-promoted File:Arothron hispidus is kissing my camera at Big Island of Hawaii.jpg and File:Kalapana May 2009.jpg to Featured Picture status. Oppose votes by both Lycaon and Estrilda were decisive for an original decline of these two FPCs. I have cancelled Estrildas vote, and updated the results based on new vote counts which flipped these FPCs to a featured state. I have to the best of my abilty completed each step in the manual FP promotion instruction at Commons:Featured picture candidates/What to do after voting is finished. I consider the concerns raised by Docu, Anrie and Pieter Kuiper as non-substantial as it is common practise at Commons to cross-link when family members share the same IP in this community. I do not think we have a clearly written suckpuppet/meatpuppet policy at Commons, but at least en:Wikipedia:FAMILY#Sharing an IP address spells it out very clearly as already mentioned by Mbz1. --Slaunger (talk) 22:05, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
    • This is not enwp. It is the FP charade that is without substance. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 22:14, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
      • Written policy on Commons or not: Any regular (including Lycaon) in the FPC circuitry knows that any votes just vaguely resembling meat- or sockpuppetry at FPC is a clear no-go. It has been such the last 2-3 three years I have been here. Lycaon has been active there even longer, and has been one of the most active defenders against meat- and sockpuppetry, which is why the complete absense of especially Lycaon in this discussion is so alarming and dissapointing. --Slaunger (talk) 22:44, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
        • Besides you, there isn't really any support for this re-count. I suggest you undo this and re-list the images. -- User:Docu at 01:52, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
          • Docu, even though I don't quite follow how you draw that conclusion based on counting alone, it is for me more substantial the weights of the argument and my perception of the judgement of all those other users. Lar and Herby are on my top five of users with the best judgement here on Commons. Adding to that the always wise comments by Walter and a heavy duty FPC regular and admin Durova, it strikes me as a bit odd that you insist on us not having an overall consensus on this, especially considering that your own judgement has been seriously questioned in another recent COM:AN thread, that you have had recent disputes with both Lar and Mzb1, and that you are not active in the FPC circuitry. Even if you disagree on the meatpuppet issue, Estrilda has on top of this admitted that some of her oppose votes at COM:FPC on mbz1's noms did not reflect a review of the merits of the nominations but rather an oppose with the objective to 'kick back'. Meatpuppet or not, that is totally unacceptable when dealing with the promotion of the most prestigious and exposed content on Commons. And Pieter Kuiper's past comment "Featured-picture votes are hardly a serious matter" gives for me a pretty good indication that Pieter is in a domain, where he has not much experience. Adding to that the well-known ongoing friction between mbz1 and Pieter it seems odd to me exactly how enthusiatically Pieter defends meatpuppetry. --Slaunger (talk) 08:44, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
            • If you re-read some of the comments, you will notice that most participants suggest to re-run the votes, not re-count them. Even Lar (in his last post) only lent conditional support to your proposal. I don't think Pieter (or any participant) defends meatpuppetry, even if I don't share his general view of the process. While I agree this was not exemplary conduct, I think we have seen worse. In any case, if the only result was that two pictures of a user that is known to make questionable use of multiple accounts on FPC, I don't think it's worth all that fuss. -- User:Docu at 09:53, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
              • It is a lie, docu. I have never used multiple accounts. I used only one account at the time, and I did it not from a good life, but to avoid being harassed. As we could see from CU case the harassment was not imaginary, but a very real one.--Mbz1 (talk) 11:00, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
                • Hmmm, I actually interpreted Docus last post very differently and not as an accusation about you socking, but rather an understanding that some kind of reopening of affected FPCs was OK and not something to make a big fuss about. As I see it the only disagreement left with Docu was whether they should be re-opened for review or administratively promoted as I have done. I did the latter to avoid anymore fuss and to send a clear signal. One could also have reopened them, but I think it would have been hard for the reviewers to stay focused on the merits of the images and not on the circumstances of the reopening. Thus, I do not think reopening them would have been fruitfull, rather a further waste of time. --Slaunger (talk) 11:35, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
          • Docu, what happened with your arithmetic? You did rather well here, when you counted how many children, men, women, kites and so on were at the image--Mbz1 (talk) 03:04, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
            • So how do you count? -- User:Docu at 03:28, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
              • I am not sure I follow your question. I count exactly how I was taught in kindergarten :)--Mbz1 (talk) 03:34, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
                

Peace, please. --Túrelio (talk) 08:02, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

• I'm not in the habit of repeating myself, but above I said, "I think any pages/images affected by collusion should be rerun or corrected administratively." Consequently, I support Slaunger's actions on the two VP discussions that he cites. Herby, at the beginning of this discussion, says essentially the same thing. D/urova and Lar support Slaunger's proposal also, if I'm not mistaken. Walter Siegmund (talk) 04:45, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
  • Foroa too. Thank you, Walter.--Mbz1 (talk) 05:12, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
    • I haven't commented in this discussion since I don't have anything new to add to the arguments/observations already expressed, and we certainly shouldn't turn COM:AN into a "most votes wins" affair. But for what it's worth, I endorse Slaungers actions and overall agree with the arguments presented in support of these. I also share the concern expressed by several over Lycaons continued absence. Best regards, Finn Rindahl (talk) 10:45, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
  • Per Walter, et al, I endorse Slaunger's action, with thanks for acting wisely and decisively. ++Lar: t/c 17:18, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Problems with duplicate image

A while ago, User:Dan Pelleg made a change to the Wikipedia file w:File:EpitrochoidOn1.gif but instead of updating the image he created a new one File:EpitrochoidOn1b.gif on the commons. I am now trying to get these merged with the proper attributions to conform to COM:GFDL. As a first step to this I uploaded the original file to the Commons (File:EpitrochoidOn1.gif) and submitted a deletion request for the duplicate file with a note to merge the histories so neither the creator of the original file or Dan Pelleg lose their attributions. The deletion request was denied however so there are still duplicate files and some versions violate the GFDL. What there should be is the current version of EpitrochoidOn1b.gif on the commons with the name EpitrochoidOn1.gif with the an upload history listing w:User:Sam Derbyshire as the original uploader and listing User:Dan Pelleg as uploading a modification. There shouldn't be any duplicates of this file other than the mirror of the updated EpitrochoidOn1.gif on Wikipedia. I have been discussing this with Dan Pelleg on his talk page and have asked him to re-upload his edit to the original file in order to get a step closer to the goal, but it would probably be much easier for an admin to merge the histories and remove the duplicates. This request is reposted from w:Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents.--RDBury (talk) 17:51, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

I think there is some confusion about satisfying attribution and GFDL requirements. There is absolutely no need for the file to be uploaded by the image's author (although that helps as far as provenance is concerned and means that it is in the authors upload gallery). There is also no problem with having a derivative uploaded as a seperate file. It is not as though having them uploaded with the same filename saves any space etc. Although it is 'tidy' to have them uploaded with the same file name, it is also quite reasonable to have a new version uploaded seperately when there is some doubt that it will be acceptable as a replacement. In this case the derivative version just needs to cite the original and its author as the source. The original can then be marked as superceded, and replaced in the articles as appropriate. It would be nice (although not required) if User:Dan Pelleg also added the CC license to his version himself. --Tony Wills (talk) 19:55, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Now sure how it works on the Commons, but I was going by w:WP:MOVE which states:

Do not move or rename a page by copying/pasting its content, because doing so destroys the edit history. (The GFDL requires acknowledgement of all contributors, and editors continue to hold copyright on their contributions unless they specifically give up this right. Hence it is required that edit histories be preserved for all major contributions until the normal copyright expires.)

It seems like you're saying that this doesn't apply here but apparently I'm still not understanding something. How is this situation different than what they are talking about in WP:MOVE?--RDBury (talk) 20:56, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

That is good advice and particularly pertains to text articles. The same idea holds true for images and other media in the respect that we have to maintain those links, those author attributions etc. Any image either needs to be declared as original work, or have attributions back to its source. But generally that information is not just part of the page history, it is part of the image page itself - it is like every wikipedia article having the credits for each bit of text right on the article page! Of course there are generally few revisions to images, and if there are a series of derivative images each only really needs to link back to its immedite predecessor for all attributions to be readily found. If the chain is ever broken then it calls into question the validity of the license on the derivatives, therefore we keep all revisions (much to some peoples annoyance ;-). Great care must be taken when moving images from en:wikipedia to Commons as it is easy to loose source and revision information as the original on wikipedia is then deleted, but there are now automated tools to help in that process. Of course if the author re-uploads the image here themselves, then that wikipedia history isn't as important (because the author has effectively licensed it here independantly anyway). Does that help? --Tony Wills (talk) 01:04, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

It's PD but can't be used for commercial purposes?

I just noticed something on the boilerplate for File:Escaping from Prince of Wales.jpg after tagging it and other AWM images for watermarks:

The copyright has expired because this photo was taken prior to January 1, 1955. The AWM record for this photo states that the copyright status is 'clear'. The AWM, however, requires that the AWM watermark is not removed and that permission be sought for commercial use. Higher resolution versions of this image may be ordered through the AWM Website at www.awm.gov.au

Now correct me if i'm wrong, but if this is true, then all AWM images uploaded to the commons by default have already violated the [policy] and the purpose and spirit of Commons by offering free media for any use. Can I get a second opinion?--293.xx.xxx.xx (talk) 09:44, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Just to be clear, the copyright stated for that image (P02018.055) on their site[6] is "Copyright expired - public domain"[7].

The site copyright page[8] spells out what public domain means:

"Copyright expired - public domain

    This term describes material held in the National Collection
    that is clearly out of the period of copyright protection.
    Material that is out or beyond the period of copyright protection,
    is known as being in the “public domain”. 

    You do not require permission to reproduce or publish this image.

.

So yes, the statement on the image page "The AWM, however, requires that the AWM watermark is not removed and that permission be sought for commercial use" is in fact wrong, they do not make any such demands for public domain images, do we have any non-public domain AWM images? --Tony Wills (talk) 11:36, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

I don't know whether they deliberately are including PD images in their terms of use, but a link under each image goes to the same pop-up help pages[9], regardless of copyright status, that make all sorts of stipulations, that contradict their sitewide copyright statement linked to above. --Tony Wills (talk) 12:23, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

I see there has been correspondence of a sort on this matter email from the AWM to Nick Dowling 6 January 2006. There is a "terms of use" statement [10] that users presumably agree to when using, or downloading images from the AWM (assuming they have noticed it before downloading?), but that is between them and the AWM. It is not an agreement that involves wikimedia and has no effect upon the copyright status of the images. --Tony Wills (talk) 12:07, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Well under the Australian law they are in the Public Domain (Even if the AWM places a watermark and says it still hold right over the image). No one can hold any rights to the image of a PD image (Whether it is a poster, photograph ect) however some debate that by digitising (Same issue that is popping up World-wide) an image that they own rights to it however it is seen that is not the case as no creativity has gone into the image from the original time it was published. It is one of the issues which at GLAM-WIKI in August is trying to work out which will take time. I'll be meeting with the AWM on another matter later this month and if I get time I'll try and raise this issue with them. Bidgee (talk) 12:45, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Move File

Please move http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Rework.jpg to http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Cafe_Seelos_Werbung_rework.JPG. Thanks! --LSG1 (talk) 17:38, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

 Done. --Túrelio (talk) 17:44, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

{{PolishPresidentCopyright}}

Could someone who knows well how license templates work please check {{PolishPresidentCopyright}}? In the gallery view of users this tag produces a misleading "no license tag" displayed. See e.g.: http://toolserver.org/~daniel/WikiSense/Gallery.php?wikifam=commons.wikimedia.org&img_user_text=Kimodin --ALE! ¿…? 07:54, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

This seems to be aproblem with the external tool on the toolserver. I don't think there is anything that Commons admins can do about that. Regards, -- ChrisiPK (Talk|Contribs) 11:04, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

We can separate the license into a source information and a standard license template. An example is Template:BArch-License. That will reduce the number of custom license template (without any special license terms) and will resolve the problem. --Martin H. (talk) 11:46, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

 Done I added {{GFDL 1.2}} to {{PolishPresidentCopyright}} --Jarekt (talk) 16:16, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! Could you do something like this also to {{PolishSenateCopyright}} ? Thanks in advance! --ALE! ¿…? 08:52, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

BTW; I changed the template to reflect the actual statement of the copyright notice: It does not talk about GFDL 1.2 only, it talks about the GFDL in general. According to the GFDL: If the Document does not specify a version number of this License, you may choose any version ever published (not as a draft) by the Free Software Foundation., so we can migrate those images. Regards, -- ChrisiPK (Talk|Contribs) 16:08, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

But it does specify 1.2, in the original release[11] it specifically links to version 1.2. -Nard the Bard 16:31, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

I am asking again: Could soemone do something like this also to {{PolishSenateCopyright}} ? Thanks in advance! --ALE! ¿…? 16:59, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Require template for Indian Air Force and Indian Army websites

There is a requirement for templates similar to the U.S military websites for Indian Air Force and Army websites. Chanakyathegreat (talk) 16:47, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

There is the difference that photographs created by U.S. government employees, including the U.S. armed forces, are public domain whereas works created by the Indian federal government are not public domain. So on what permission or law should a license template build on? All U.S. government tags are only subtemplates of {{PD-USGov}} - the legal basis of this license templates. --Martin H. (talk) 20:56, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Not asking templates exactly like the U.S but the Indian Armed websites has been revised. Now the copyright statement reads like this "Material featured on this site may be reproduced free of charge in any format or media without requiring specific permission. This is subject to the material being reproduced accurately and not being used in a derogatory manner or in a misleading context. Where the material is being published or issued to others, the source must be prominently acknowledged. However, the permission to reproduce this material does not extend to any material on this site, which is explicitly identified as being the copyright of a third party. Authorisation to reproduce such material must be obtained from the copyright holders concerned.". So instead of pointing to this information for each and every time a single template will be better.Chanakyathegreat (talk) 13:26, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

It doesn't mention derivative works and commercial usage so this permission is not sufficient for Commons. Multichill (talk) 16:41, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Commercial use is implied, but the situation with derivative works in general is unclear. Also some types of derivative works are explicitly prohibited. Sv1xv (talk) 17:48, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Odd coincidence of Azeri uploads

User:Narimanaliv, User:Malahatnajafova, and User:Nitsvbl (and, for all I know, possibly others) are uploading entire articles from the same Azerbaijani architecture magazine, each uploading articles of which they claim to be the author. It is possible that several Azeri academics have all decided to give us their articles, which would be cool, but it seems like quite a coincidence. I would at least consider the possibility that this is one person with several socks, quite possibly unconnected to any of the actual authors. Someone should probably look into this further. - Jmabel ! talk 20:45, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Discussion of deletion denied

As suggested I move the debate here. The story short:

• A DR was closed as a speedy.
• I made an undeletion request here Commons:Undeletion requests/Archive/2009-11#File:Bonnie_SG.jpg objecting against closing it as a speedy + that closing admin was not objective since he has been very active in the deletion request.
• I made a note on Village pump because I felt it was a matter of principles.
• The undeletion request was speedy closed leaving only the discussion on the Village pump open.
• After a debate on the Village pump it was suggested that COM:AN was a better place.

So here we go:

• We have a rule that a DR should be open for 7 days unless they are very clear. If it is disputed then it will often stay open for a longer time. Also an involved admin should not close the request.
• On the pump the main issue turns out to be that the undeletion request was speedy closed and thereby denying discussion of a deletion.

I would like to hear other opinions about both matters since I feel it is bad if we start speedying just to "win". --MGA73 (talk) 11:18, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

The pump discussion is good for talking about the general case, in my view... there are times when a speedy is appropriate. They are, and should be rare. I think we need to endorse that principle. To this particular case, MGA73 raises two concerns, first, that the debate itself shouldn't have been closed early, and shouldn't have been closed by an "involved" admin, and second that the UD/DRV shouldn't have been closed by an "involved" admin or closed early either.

• On the matter of whether Zscout370 is "involved", I think that's a spurious claim. The sum total of Zscout's involvement was to communicate with the model, establish bonafides and track the matter in OTRS. Zscout did not opine one way or the other on the deletion itself. So Zscout hardly was ineligible to do the close. Even if Zscout HAD commented it wasn't necessarily an ineligibility, if the discussion was very one sided (it wasn't in this case, but IF). But he didn't participate substantively (gathering information and working OTRS is NOT participating substantively). NOT involved.
• On the matter of whether the deletion discussion was closed early, I think perhaps it was. This matter could have waited a few more days. But it's marginal, there wasn't really a lot of harm in closing early but also the OTRS discussion mainly focuses on identity validation, and confirms that this was a request (i.e. Commons was within rights to keep the image, there was not a copyvio or other issue that required deletion (minor, lack of model release, etc... for reference here's a link to the ticket correspondence, viewable by those with OTRS access: [12]) rather than a requirement, so that argues for it running to the end. Zscout should be reminded of this.
• On the matter of the close of the UD/DRV by Mattbuck... again I don't see Mattbuck as TOO involved to have done a close (although in this case, unlike the original DR which Zscout did NOT participate in substantively, Mattbuck did comment...) given how one sided that discussion was. He was involved though, so if it had been marginal, no.
• On the matter of whether the close was early... Again, maybe. But in this case with how one sided the discussion was, probably not. For the sake of proper procedure probably should have run anyway, even if not needed. Mattbuck should be reminded of this.

That's my analysis. ++Lar: t/c 15:42, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

I support MGA73's concerns of general character. With this particular photo, I don't think we lost anything (I guess it is replaceable and I don't think it was used at time of deletion). In general, I think it is wrong to close DRs fast, however - especially when an established user like Pieter has voted keep. Why the rush? It could have been closed after 7 days just fine. I'm especially concerned with the fast closure of the undeletion request. Again, what is the rush? Ordinary users (including "foreign" admins) don't have a chance to comment because we can't see the deleted photos. When using speedy closure too much, the transparency is lost. That's bad and it does indeed shed a bad light on Commons - seen from the viewpoint of other Wikimedia projects. Nillerdk (talk) 17:08, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Once the identity of the person had been confirmed by Zscout370, I was willing to change my vote if also images more likely to cause distress would be deleted. The speedy decision minutes after Bastique's intervention stopped that process. Encouraged by Túrelio, I tried to reopen that case in this DR, which MGA73 closed immediately. I find it very ironic that he is complaining here. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 17:50, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

@Lar Thank you for the comments. There was also some discussion on IRC regarding this image and I was never in doubt, that Zscout370 wanted the image deleted. That in combination with the speedy made me conclude, that he was too involved. Im not sure if this is the correct word but in my view disqualification (Danish: inhabilitet) or "involved" is not only a matter of you ARE to close to be neutral but if others with some reason could asume you are.

Image was in use on dewiki - sere they were informed?

Non admins can see Bonnie here. --MGA73 (talk) 17:52, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

No longer: "The photo you were looking for has been deleted." --Túrelio (talk) 20:44, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

@Pieter, Now that you bring that up I have two questions. You tryed to get the Burning Man-image deleted first time and second time. In the Bonnie-case you voted keep but you also said "... However, I can change my !vote when you delete those two photos of the dancing girl at Burning Man. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 12:07, 5 November 2009 (UTC)" Shortly after the deletion you nominated Burning Man for the third time only one week after it was closed the second time. And now you are trying every way possible to get your will with the Burning Man-images.

First question. Was your "keep" in Bonnie-case ever for real or was it just a game to get the Burning Man-images deleted?

Second question. Do you really think it is OK to keep nominating images to get what you want? Or for me to keep starting a undeletion request for the Bonnie image untill you get tired and do it? I really hope not. --MGA73 (talk) 18:35, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Well now the Burning Man are open again reason "I think it was closed in haste, and there is always room for more discussion in these matters". I expect the Bonnie-images to be reopend with the same reason! Thank you Bastique! --MGA73 (talk) 18:41, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

At first I did not quite believe that it was the model who asked for deletion, and that was my main reason to oppose the request. Now that identity is accepted by OTRS people, I am quite neutral. There is no censorship behind this deletion, that is the main thing. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 18:49, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Just for the record... I closed the DR mentioned above after 1 hour. That was too soon so it was reopend. Now it was closes after 1 hour as deleted... And the deletion of the Bonniw was not reopend... End of story... --MGA73 (talk) 20:28, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

I see no reason why the undeletion request should have been closed so quickly. That's what that forum is open for; if we wanted to have such undeletion discussion on the Village Pump, we could delete that page altogether. Letting it run until the arguments have stopped makes sure the participants get heard, and continuing arguments into the Village Pump and Administrators' noticeboard will clearly be inappropriate. Here, the issue has spilled over into two other boards because the appropriate forum was closed prematurely.--Prosfilaes (talk) 23:37, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

• Speaking of the general case: I don't think it is bad to close a deletion request early if the image is doing harm to someone, the sooner deleted the better. But I feel the opposite in the case on an undeletion request, especially in the circumstances of a premature closing of the deletion request. As a matter of due process the undeletion request should be left to run its natural course. In fact it could be a matter of policy that "in the exceptional case where a deletion request is closed early (for reasons other than obvious copyvio or vandalism), any further discussion should be carried on at an undeletion request for at least the period allowed for a normal deletion request" if that makes sense :-). ie if the deletion request is closed after 1 day, any further discussion by way of an undeletion request should be allowed to run at least 6 days. --Tony Wills (talk) 00:58, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

New logo for COM:AN

--Túrelio (talk) 13:15, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Closing issues at CfD

Hi all. I mostly admin over at enwiki, so I'm not nearly as familiar with the machinery of Commons processes. I raised some concerns about a category at Commons:Categories for discussion/2009/10/Category:Upstream fitness about a month ago, but there hasn't been any movement since. (The category is for a made-up exercise program being promoted by a single editor, and links to it are being spammed across a large number of Wikipedias.)

What's the procedure for asking a Commons admin to close the discussion and go ahead and delete the category? TenOfAllTrades (talk) 15:01, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

There is none but you could probably stick a backlog tag on the main CFD page. Bear in mind there are requests still open from 2008. Majorly talk 17:54, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

As you were the only participant, you might as well close it yourself. If the conclusion is deletion, just split the category and add {{Speedy}}. -- User:Docu at 18:23, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Eccentric uploads from User:Ycco

I'm unsure how to proceed with User:Ycco, a new contributor. He has uploaded a variety of pictures of contemporary pagan activities, all of which I would consider encyclopedic. But instead of using OTRS to record permissions he's uploading screenshots of Flickr dialogs, like this. And some of his uploads (such as this) don't have any recorded permission at all. It's all a bit of a mess but I think he's acting in good faith, his screenshots are in all likelihood authentic and the pictures are—if permission can be adequately verified—valuable. Could someone Flickr-savvy take a look at this? We've already told him, twice, that he's supposed to use OTRS but according to him "this system doesn't permit to forward the message exchange". Haukurth (talk) 22:23, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

I would call the permissions from the Flickr users incomplete and invalid. It is a good idea to name Wikipedia/Commons to promote a free licensing, but in my opinion you must tell someone who has no idea of what licensing means (and I assume this for everyone) that the licensing not only goes for Wikipedia or Wikimedia but for everyone and every purpose. I bet: If you ask ~U~ now if it is correct that he/she gave permission for commercial reuse with File:Permission for Druids in Avebury photo from Flickr user ~U~.png for his flickr images he/she would say: NO, I DONT WANT THIS - and you can say "haha, thats your mistake". Thats bad and evil.

Additional, per File:Asatruar people.PNG user Ycco (talk · contribs) is a comeback of Nyo (talk · contribs), a link collection with problems caused by this user is very long. --Martin H. (talk) 00:13, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

I agree that File:Permission for Druids in Avebury photo from Flickr user ~U~.png is borderline. Haukurth (talk) 09:45, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Second opinion...

User:RecoveryMinded uploaded File: Sexy pussy licking.jpg as own work but nominated it for deletion with “I thought this pic was public domain but it's not”. I checked a few of the users other uploads with tineye and two gave no hits but File:Spaghetti and meatballs.jpg gave three hits and File:Roast turkey 02.jpg gave one hit. The images are not all excact the same and they are smaller but I’m a little worried. Can someone help me check? --MGA73 (talk) 22:33, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Found a few more that I felt comfortable enough to tag. All things considered, it's not looking good. —LX (talk, contribs) 23:01, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Phrasia (talk · contribs)

This user has uploaded several images which are described as self-portraits, but are used on en.wp as album covers for Quinton Caruthers albums. That would make them copyright violations, but as you can see, it's highly doubtful that Mercury or Universal would have such low-quality album covers (not even the correct aspect ratio). So it seems to me that it's all a hoax (a quick search returned no hits on http://mercuryrecords.com, no album on https://www.amazon.com, 3 plays for one song on last.fm and one youtube video of his appearance on American Juniors).
So I think it would be best if someone who's an admin both here and at en.wp could look into it, so that the articles and the images can be dealt with at the same time. I think all four articles in en:Category:Quinton Caruthers albums should go, and en:Quinton Caruthers should be edited accordingly. –Tryphon^☂ 11:12, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

File:T64 21.jpg

Can someone have a look at the image? The author\uploader loaded it as cc-by-sa-3.0, but reverts uploading of a new version without copyright on image. I suppose that noting someone as an author in picture description is quite enough and reverting of new version is bad. Rubin16 (talk) 13:38, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

I've left a note to Чобиток Василий explaining the situation, and reverted the image to the version without watermark. If they revert it again, I'll protect the image. –Tryphon^☂ 14:00, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

I just realized: the original uploader is not the author. Do we have any proof that the author licensed this image as {{Cc-by-sa-3.0}}? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tryphon (talk • contribs) 14:04, 2009 November 12 (UTC)

{{Copyvio}} The copyright status of this image has become more clear now. Sv1xv (talk) 17:30, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

DR closed, and what's the final decision? Keep the version with copyright or not ? Rubin16 (talk) 18:51, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

MediaWiki:UserMessages.js

Could somebody do this if possible? I'm not sure if anyone watches that talk page so I thought I'd post a note here. Cheers, –Juliancolton | ^Talk 02:50, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

I think I've done this in this edit. Maybe you need to bypass your browser cache. --The Evil IP address (talk) 13:44, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Move files

Can somebody rename the following five files?

File:Royal Canadian Air Cadet 1.png

File:Royal Canadian Air Cadet 2.png

File:Royal Canadian Air Cadet 3.png

File:Royal Canadian Air Cadet 4.png

File:Royal Canadian Air Cadet 5.png

They should all be renamed "Royal Canadian Army Cadet #.png", not Air Cadet. Sherurcij (talk) 18:42, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

 Done. Stifle (talk) 10:31, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Picasa web

The uploading option from Flickr is a good one. It need to be extended to images uploaded from Picasa web.Chanakyathegreat (talk) 03:26, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Assuming the licensing is valid, there is no reason why you can't upload an image from picasa. Just mark the source and report the license properly. J.smith (talk) 22:46, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Animated GIF resizing bug. Fix awaits implementation by admin

Please see:

• Commons:Graphics village pump#Animated GIF resizing. Last.fm resizes them. Why not MediaWiki?

The problem has been fixed, but needs to be implemented.

"Yes, for ordinary GIFs to render properly somebody needs to activate it on Wikimedia."

Above quote is from the bugzilla thread:

• https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16451

You can test to see if the fix has been implemented by checking the kilobytes of the thumbnails here:

• Category:Animations of geometry

Right-click any thumbnail and check its properties to get the kilobytes of the thumbnail. The kilobytes for the thumbnails are currently the same as for the full-size animated images. --Timeshifter (talk) 16:52, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

See also here and here. --Jarekt (talk) 18:57, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. I left another message at:

https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16451

--Timeshifter (talk) 23:03, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

And there is an reply:

// Disable server-side GIF scaling 

$wgMediaHandlers['image/gif'] = 'BitmapHandler_ClientOnly';
 
in CommonSettings.php which need to be removed. 

Anybody knows where is CommonSettings.php. --Jarekt (talk) 18:04, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

I think it needs a dev to make that change. We may need another bugzilla to get that turned on here, not sure. Is there anyone who has an objection to the change? ++Lar: t/c 05:17, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

I think, reading through the bug, that there may not be a need to open another bug to get it enabled here but I will ask for clarification. ++Lar: t/c 05:23, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

For clarity, you need a sysadmin, not a wiki admin. And a copy of Wikimedia's CommonSettings.php can be found here: http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/ --MZMcBride (talk) 09:15, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! meta:System administrators#List says "Do not contact random people on this list if you want something done. Instead, go to the #wikimedia-tech channel on irc.freenode.net."

Can someone contact them? I see the part that needs to be removed:

// Disable server-side GIF scaling 

$wgMediaHandlers['image/gif'] = 'BitmapHandler_ClientOnly';

It is found here:

http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/highlight.php?file=CommonSettings.php

I left info about this in another reply at the Bugzilla thread. --Timeshifter (talk) 17:14, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

IPs adding redundant categories

Is there anything I (or you) can do at File:Seattle - Idriss Mosque - 01+02.jpg where one or more IPs seem insistent on redundantly adding Category:Mosques in the United States, which is redundant to Category:Idriss Mosque? - Jmabel ! talk 01:03, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Instructions on the user talkpage, reverted the edit. I also added the image to my watchlist. --Martin H. (talk) 01:23, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. It's been a different IP address each time, so I hadn't bothered hitting the user talk pages. Royal pain when non-registered users start messing with stuff. - Jmabel ! talk 08:49, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Grammatical error in the upload form

I just observed that if you try to upload a file under an already-used name at Special:Upload, the message it gives you includes the word "Dont". Can someone add an apostrophe here please, so that it reads "Don't"? Nyttend (talk) 14:43, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

I should note that the complete sentence is "Dont overwrite a file with a different image of the same topic". Nyttend (talk) 14:44, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

 Done - Changed dont in Don't Huib talk 14:49, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Backlog Notice

This is just a friendly reminder that admins are always needed at CAT:Unknown. Category:Media missing permission and Category:Media without a source are both severely backlogged and any help that could be given there would be excellent.

I personally have been working off the deletion backlog template (on my userpage) and didn't know until tonight that the template's code didn't reach far back enough (chronologically) so there was much more older stuff I was unaware of. I've since extended the reach of that template, but I still need to make it go back further due to how the backlog looks right now. Killiondude (talk) 08:21, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Also Category:Duplicate has now 872 files. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 08:35, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

I would like to propose that the {{Badname}} and {{Duplicate}} put files into two separate categories (the badname ones as a subcat). As in my experience most {{Badname}} marked files are indeed duplicates (re-uploaded under a correct name) and there is seldom much difference in the information contained on the image page (as both were uploaded by the same person) - so these can be swiftly dealt with. But {{Duplicate}} is often mis-used (eg for crops or different versions of the same image), and the two images are usually uploaded by different people and therefore the description pages are often different and need merging before the duplicate is deleted - so much more careful consideration is required. --Tony Wills (talk) 11:32, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

I agree with Tony Wills on this point. —Dferg ^(disputatio) 12:00, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

(ec)Good suggestion from Tony Wills here, I expect a subcat for badnamed files would be easily manageble, and keep all those upload-typos from crowding the duplicate category. Regards, Finn Rindahl (talk) 12:07, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

I have thought of the same. But instead of asking users to upload again why not ask them to use {{Rename}}? Or maybe a new template just for "I'm the uploader and just gave file a bade name". Re uploading wastes a lot of space. --MGA73 (talk) 13:13, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Just a note on {{Rename}}: If you make use of this template, the file actually gets re-uploaded as well, but under another user name! Now this file won't be listed on the user's gallery ... :( axp_de^Hello! 13:31, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Actually, {{Badname}} is the template for "I'm the uploader and just gave file a bad name". Finn Rindahl (talk) 13:35, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

No, using rename an admin will move the file. Badname is used when uploader has uploaded file twice (or more). --MGA73 (talk) 13:57, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, I misunderstood you. I'm not sure if rename would be the preferred action for a user who makes a bad name upload though - if the user makes a new correctly named upload all we have to do is delete the first one - no links to fix at other projects + the file will be be listed in listed in the correct usergallery as Axpde points out above. Are there really advantages of rename compared to this? Finn Rindahl (talk) 14:22, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

← Is there a category like w:Category:Administrative backlog here? I'm still finding my feet as a commons sysop and would like to help, but am not always sure where to look. Stifle (talk) 10:36, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

@Finn Rindahl Well... Advantage is that it takes less space. But if it takes 6 month to get af file renamed I can understand that users can't wait. When renaming all we have to do is check usage. Move and remove the template. When deleting we have to check usage. Check all info is transfered correct. Then delete. So it is not "a clear cut".

@Stifle It would be nice with an admin-backlog. But I guess every admin has his/her own little favorite :-) --MGA73 (talk) 10:36, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

I just made Category:Duplicate - bad name - lets see if that makes it easyer. --MGA73 (talk) 10:45, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Non-admin closures

What's the policy on this? A user closes deletion discussions he participated in and where there's no consensus to conform to the result he prefers, I'm talking about this and this and more than I can count in his contributions. Isn't the purpose of admins looking at this some non-biased review? He's closing discussions like he's an admin. Hekerui (talk) 17:45, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

There is an enormous backlog of category:Deletion requests. I am trying to help out to the best of my ability. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 17:52, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

What makes you think admins are any less biased? I personally have no problem with these closings; Pieter is a very experienced user, and his judgment is as good as any admin's. Besides, these are very old DRs which need someone to finally make a decision one way or the other; I see no point in letting them languish there waiting for an admin to do their job. –Tryphon^☂ 18:33, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Non-admin closure is obviously slanted towards keeping things, because it's the only option. Hekerui (talk) 18:46, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Well, nominate me for adminship, and I will delete too :) /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 19:05, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

At a meta level, yes, it is acceptable for non-admins to close uncontroversial deletion requests. Not speaking as to the legitimacy of the examples you listed, but it isn't inherently problematic to the best of my knowledge. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 18:02, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

We can always need help. But non-admin closure can be a problem. Admins have gone through a process and is "trusted". Non-admins have not. So we should check who closes what to make sure that closures are not made by someone who does not know the rules or policies.

So I prefer that admins help to close DR's faster. Easier said than done - I know. --MGA73 (talk) 12:08, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

I see no problem if non-admins close DRs every now and then. Since they're all logged at User:DRBot/non-admin one just has to check this page to see if the closings are legimimate. --The Evil IP address (talk) 13:42, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

I agree. --Leyo 13:44, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

The instructions at COM:DEL explicitly state that this is fine: "Non-admins may close a deletion request as keep if they have a good understanding of the process, and provided the closure is not controversial. If in doubt, don't do it." Of course, the conditions of understanding the process and being sure of the decision apply to administrators as well. (I disagree somewhat with the wording in that I'd argue that non-admins can close controversial requests as well, provided that there is clear consensus. For example, despite the continued controversy over depictions of Muhammed, there is clear consensus to keep such illustrations, and non-admins who know what they're doing can safely close the frequent censorship-driven drive-by deletion requests that we see for these.)

That said, I would expect that all admins active in deletion request handling also have User:DRBot/non-admin on their watchlist. —LX (talk, contribs) 14:19, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

I noticed Commons:Deletion requests/File:F minor chord for guitar ( barred).png, which looks like a good idea to me: closing DR's by changing them into speedy. Would this be uncontroversial? There are lots of DR's in the backlog that are blatant copyvios or simple exact duplicates, and this would be a way of handling such cases. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 15:47, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

It seems that several admins have User:DRBot/non-admin on the watchlist so lets trust that no mistakes happen (or they are spotted). If DR's are changed into speedy and not deleted "at once" I think that DRbot will take them for kept and put a notice on the talk page? --MGA73 (talk) 10:27, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Copyright violation

File:GLEE-ECCLESINE.jpg

Glee promo photo

This is obviously from the series and permission not freely given and should be deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.139.24.125 (talk • contribs)

 Done. Killiondude (talk) 23:45, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Inactive admins

For admins listed at Commons:Administrators/Inactivity section, who should place a steward request for removal of access where users have not requested to keep their access? Stifle (talk) 11:37, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Hi Stiffle,

You mean the inactivity list for aug-sept? Those list is completely done, I requested the removal on Meta and all those people that didn't sign have there access revoked.

Best regards,

Huib talk 11:48, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for that!. If we are all done, it's not current any more perhaps... Maybe we should move that list to "prior" (leaving current empty for now) ? Not sure. ++Lar: t/c 13:34, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

I have emptied the page, and I have hide the part about the signing so it isn't so confusing anymore. I will send a note round to the current inactive admins this month with the message that they need to preform some admin actions otherwise they will get in the inactivity process in February.

I think its a good idea to warn before starting to process, its more mellow that way. Huib talk 16:59, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Ah I see; there was just nothing there to say it was completed. Thanks. Stifle (talk) 20:53, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I asked for removal on meta, left a thank you message on all talk pages, removed all the admin templates from the userpages, removed them from all lists but forgot the most important part, marking the page as done. Silly me, how could I forget that :( Huib talk 20:58, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Hmm... Not sure if we should have revoked Cary Bass's mop. Heh. -Andrew c (talk) 04:06, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

I'm sure he can resysop himself if he really needs to (: Stifle (talk) 16:10, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Contributions of User:Roman n k

Hello!

Can somebody with russian/ukrainian language skills check this user's contribs: [13]. This user uploaded several images of ukrainian homepage. Thanks. --High Contrast (talk) 23:35, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Permission is needed. Website legal page [14] states:

"Настоящий веб-сайт, а также авторское право на текст, графику, изображения, программное обеспечение и прочие размещенные на веб-сайте материалы, являются лицензированной собственностью СКМ. Использование материалов настоящего веб-сайта разрешается только в личных некоммерческих целях. "

"This webpage and author rights for the text, graphics, pictures, software and others materials hosted on this website is licensed property of СКМ. Use of materials of this website is permitted only for personal non-commercial purposes." --Justass (talk) 23:57, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

MS certificate copyrighted/able?

Does the original shown in File:MCAS Excel 2007.PNG have enough "creativity" to be copyrightable (by MS)? What's your opinion? (It's the uploads's own certificate; but he doesn't own the design, of course.) --Túrelio (talk) 07:22, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Yes, it's copyrighted. Should be deleted. Stifle (talk) 16:11, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Commons:Deletion requests/Out of scope images by Joymaster

Can someone close Commons:Deletion requests/Out of scope images by Joymaster. I think we are done discussing it. --Jarekt (talk) 15:20, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

 Done. Thanks for going through all these files. -- User:Docu at 16:02, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

File:Cbf--PD--.jpg

File:Cbf--PD--.jpg has been deleted, but there are still 9 pages using this file. CommonsDelinker hasn't been active on Monday, Tuesday and Friday. So there are probably a lot of deleted files which were not delinked. -- Common Good (talk) 21:26, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Strange template

Hello Administrators!

I am a quite new User on Commons, this I have not enough experience and information about deeper regulations of Commons. There is a quite strange template for media files. This case is discussed in a deletion debate here. The creator of this template brings very curious and non-verifiable reasons. I think professional help is needed here. Thank you! Greets, A.Hakansson (talk) 11:39, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

toolserver.org Gallery pages

I've noticed that when one does an "Upload a new version of this file" even just for a minor edit like removing a watermark (which I've been doing several of recently), the file appears on my gallery, and more importantly, disappears from the gallery of the original uploader. On principle, I don't think this is right; the file should stay on on the gallery of the original uploader, so that they can e.g. keep track of what they've posted. I'm also uneasy about images appearing on my gallery when I don't deserve any credit for them. Can the gallery software be changed so that the file remains on the original uploader's gallery, rather than the editor's? - MPF (talk) 12:31, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

This is not something that administrators in general can assist with. The Gallery tool is maintained by Duesentrieb (talk · contribs), as stated at the bottom of the page. I agree that files should still be shown in the gallery even if it's not the latest revision – I hadn't realised they weren't. I think showing updates is fine, but it would be good if the results could be filtered to show original uploads, update uploads or all uploads. —LX (talk, contribs) 13:11, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! I'll cross-post there - MPF (talk) 13:23, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

This exact topic was discussed few year back at Village pump. At some point I was working on watermark removal, after re-uploading about 1000 files, my gallery page for my older files is quite useless and I am regularly getting automatic messages about deletion requests or requests to categorize "my" images. Also original uploders of the images were not happy I have seen cases of them reuploding the exact images I uploded just to get them back in the gallery tool. It would be good to have an option in toolserver.org Gallery pages to show either the original, last or any image upload. --63.167.255.155 13:43, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

You make a good point (or at least imply it) in that the issue may be broader than the Gallery tool. I think it would be a good idea to have the various scripts and bots message not only the latest uploader but all uploaders when concerns are raised. Is the current modus operandi the result of afterthought or technical convenience? Would a change be desirable and if so, what steps would need to be taken? —LX (talk, contribs) 15:47, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

File:ISS_Lunar_Outpost_Detail.jpg

Could someone track down the OTRS for this? I just realized I sent it originally to permissions at wikimedia, and I'm not even sure that's a valid address, so I just sent it again to permissions-commons at wikimedia. Thanks a million -Nard the Bard 18:34, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Best to post questions like this at COM:ON. permissions at wikimedia.org as well as permissions-commons, permissions-en, and an assortment of other addresses all end up in the same queue. I've just searched the mail queue for this but it hasn't shown up. Can you give us some fragment of the email address it was sent from or the subject line? Stifle (talk) 20:56, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

I'll send you a private email, thanks. -Nard the Bard 20:04, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Derivative of Wikipedia ball

Would this File:Adults in Halloween Dress.jpg be acceptable with a "Wikimedia copyright" tag? --Túrelio (talk) 14:49, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Or even without it, not unlike the cosplay images. –Tryphon^☂ 15:56, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Damn, somebody had it already been deleted for copyvio[15]. --Túrelio (talk) 16:12, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

undeleted until this discussion ends, I think the wikipedia logo isn't the minimums here. Huib talk 16:18, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. --Túrelio (talk) 22:15, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Is persecution of members legal?

User:Jaroslavleff started page to insult User:EvgenyGenkin.

I say it as a arbiter-in-reserve of ru.wiki Arbitration Committee with an access to information related to the suit about his unbanning.

I do not know, if there is any Commons rules to prevent such behaviour? If there is such - can you warn User:Jaroslavleff?

If necessary I can present additional information. Carn (talk) 22:06, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Commons has the same rules about respectful behaviour and assuming good faith as any other project. -mattbuck (Talk) 00:57, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

You mean I am not assuming good faith in respect with Jaroslavleff, and by writing notice above I show unrespectful behaviour? I should know for sure if the answer on topic if "yes" or "no". Persecution as trolling can look like respectful behavior in each small situation.

I do not want to punish someone, I want to prevent possible harm associated with the resignation of the persecuted members from the project.Carn (talk) 06:37, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

File:Julica-und-fefe.jpg

Could I get some admin eyes on the edit warring going on at File:Julica-und-fefe.jpg? —LX (talk, contribs) 10:58, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Blocked for 2 weeks. The author has the right to decide how he wants to be attributed, even if it is a link. -- Cecil (talk) 11:18, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

You might also want to have a look at Special:Contributions/77.176.210.177. —LX (talk, contribs) 11:24, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

I will do. --Martin H. (talk) 11:36, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

 Done. But one question: Why cant I (semi-)cascade protect the userpage User:Ralf Roletschek/gallery? Thats the first time I want to use this tool and I cant :/ --Martin H. (talk) 11:48, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Ok, it is not possible to semi-cascade protect per bugzilla:8796 (although in this case it would be extremly usefull). --Martin H. (talk) 11:52, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Sockpuppeting through IP address

At first I thought it was just "accidental" that User:Officer was making some edits with his IP address, and others while logged in - but then I noticed he was actually double-voting on his own Requests for Deletion (all of which appear to be headed for speedy keep, since he was told the day before he made the requests that OTRS was pending on them). See Commons:Deletion requests/File:Afghan Muja crossing from Saohol Sar pass in Durand border region of Pakistan, August 1985.png for example, the "IP" nominated 2 of the 9 images all nominated for deletion...except User:Officer then actually logs in and casts a "delete" vote agreeing with his own IP address. You'll notice the IP address actually used the identical wording in his nomination as User:Officer did in his nominations. Sherurcij (talk) 14:20, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

You're mistaken, I'm not using IPs. I just happen to come across that IP's nomination and decided to copy paste its words for the remaining ones. The IP is in Germany, I'm else where.--Officer (talk) 14:47, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

If that's true I apologise of course, but the fact the IP has made 7 edits, all to pages you've edited does raise some alarm flags. Sherurcij (talk) 14:50, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Doesn't really look like I'm mistaken after all, as this shows, an IP address nominates the file for deletion, and then User:Officer goes back and refines the deletion request. (Also note that he's trying to get a file clearly labelled as Attribution-only on Flickr deleted as "marked all rights reserved" even though it's an ISAF photo, and Turelio overruled the deletion request). When it went to Commons:Deletion requests/File:Medic with the Afghan National Army.jpg by the IP address, guess who the first user to vote (and the only one to vote "Delete" on a clearly PD image) was? Again, User:Officer. There does seem to be some evidence of trying to votestack. Sherurcij (talk) 12:44, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

At the time I placed the copyvio tag the Flickr page (ISAF) still had "all rights reserved". [16] I saw that ISAF flickr account since 2007 and all their images were protected but they now changed their license. Again, I'm not using IPs. It doesn't make any sense when I have a legitimate account in use.--Officer (talk) 02:37, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

There is no need to continue the discussion here. Given the suspiccion by Sherurcij I checked 132.199.211.18 for users, there are no users. The edits on the ISAF Flickr images might be done by mistake or without knowledge of a license change as Officer said. @Officer, please make sure to check the copyright status again befor nominating and be more careful. The doubts in Commons:Deletion requests/File:Medic with the Afghan National Army.jpg are ok, I share your opinion, the discussion was stoped because there is another reliable source saying that the image is PD and not because the Flickr licensing is considered valid always. @Sherurcij: Please solve the problems with the deletion request on Franzen images, e.g. Commons:Deletion requests/File:Afghan Muja crossing from Saohol Sar pass in Durand border region of Pakistan, August 1985.png and obtain the required permission. The images are uploaded 1 year ago and there is no OTRS permission documented, that means they are uploaded outside the regular process and a deletion request is the most harmless way to response that problem. --Martin H. (talk) 03:20, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

File:Siyer-i Nebi 151b.jpg

I've escalated the page protection due to excessive version-warring (very old painting overwritten by totally different modern photo) to full protection. --Túrelio (talk) 16:14, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Seconds befor I decided to do the same. --Martin H. (talk) 17:03, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

CFD not completely closed out

Commons:Categories for discussion/2009/10/U.S. Routes by state subcategories was closed and the categories were renamed per the result of the CFD, but the original categories were not deleted (see Category:U.S. Routes by state; the old categories are the "U.S. Routes in..." and "U.S. highways in..."). Can someone clear these out? Thanks. --TMF ^{Let's Go Mets - Stats} 10:00, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

 Done using Twinkle. --The Evil IP address (talk) 13:29, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

I appreciate it, thanks. --TMF ^{Let's Go Mets - Stats} 21:19, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

FIle:Heckert GNU white.svg

WTF is going on here? Why are the file revisions deleted, but no entry in the deletion log? And why do I get an "Undelete failed; someone else may have undeleted the page first.

Undeletion will not be performed if it will result in the top page or file revision being partially deleted. In such cases, you must uncheck or unhide the newest deleted revision.

Error undeleting file: Unable to write to file "public/2/22/Heckert_GNU_white.svg": file exists" when undeleting them? --The Evil IP address (talk) 10:49, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Hi,

I reported this in the Wikimedia-tech channel, and I guess somebody is looking at it, atleast there is a note that he deleting en undeleting for that file is broken, to make sure it isn't red I uploaded a version so that its vissible on all wikis.

I don't really know what happend, but I pressed delete for one version and all the versions got deleted, and from that moment I don't had delete or undelete rights for that page anymore:

Huib talk 10:59, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Category:Living people

(moved to Commons:Categories for discussion/2009/11/Category:Living people)

Please use {{Cfd}} to start a discussion at Commons:Categories for discussion. -- User:Docu at 04:11, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

The location of the discussion isn't really relevant (I would notify it here if I had started at cfd). IMO, the nature of this is wider reaching that the scope of cfd (its not about deletion/splitting/renaming but "B"LP). That said, no objection to moving it (done).--Nilfanion (talk) 12:56, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

There is now a CfD on this category, can people interested in this please go there to discuss...--Nilfanion (talk) 12:56, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Sockpuppet to avoid deletion request

Users Skibip images were listed in deletion request Commons:Deletion requests/File:Monia.2.JPG, after few hours another user Skibip67 started to upload same images, so instead of try to explain where do those photos came in, user try to avoid deletion --Justass (talk) 12:31, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

I've indef blocked the sockpuppet and removed all the contributions made by User:Skibip67. Thanks for the note. –Tryphon^☂ 12:39, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

I just got a mail from User:Skibip asking me to block User:Skibip instead of User:Skibip67. Should I grant this request? User:Skibip was created before User:Skibip67, and has made contributions before today. It's clear to me that User:Skibip is the "mother" account, and I've no idea why they're requesting the block to be reversed. –Tryphon^☂ 13:00, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

I suspect the reversal request is due to fact that pl.wp User:Skibip67 (contributions) is the user's primary account. Given that, might as well reverse it to allow the user to edit under the same name.--Nilfanion (talk) 13:10, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

That makes sense, so I've reversed the block. Thanks for looking into this. –Tryphon^☂ 14:54, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

request by CarstenBorr (talk · contribs)

Hallo liebe wikimedia User

Ich habe einen großen Fehler gemacht und mich hier angemldet. Nachdem ich ein Bild hochgeladen habe und mich weiter auf den Seiten umgeschaut habe, habe ich feststellen müssen , dass ich mit Wikimedia absolut überfordert bin. Englisch kann ich so gut wie überhaupt nicht und auch mit diesen Befehlszeilen komme ich nicht zurecht! Ein ganz großes Sorry, dass ich anderen jetzt arbeit mache. Ich werde mich in zukunft nicht sofort mehr anmelden. Bitte löscht alle meine Daten vom Wiki server, bitte

Viele Grüße

Carsten — Preceding unsigned comment added by CarstenBorr (talk • contribs) 24. November 2009, 01:18 Uhr (UTC)

Hi Carsten, was genau ist Dein Problem und wie können wir Dir helfen?

mfg --Mbdortmund (talk) 00:32, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Die Möglichkeit seine Anmeldung Rückgängig zu machen Besteht meines Wissen nicht. --Schlurcher (talk) 16:29, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Request for feedback

Hi, I want to ask for participation by experienced users to get this deletion discussion closed one way or the other. I want to renominate the accompanying Wikipedia article and would like to have some clarity about whether I can include the image or not, and the discussion languishes since October. Hekerui (talk) 14:15, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

 Done --AFBorchert (talk) 15:59, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Thank you :'( Hekerui (talk) 16:18, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Hi Hekerui, I am sorry that we cannot keep it but it is perhaps possible to upload it to en-wp under a fair use rationale. Regards, AFBorchert (talk) 16:24, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Maybe somebody could close that deletion request please better as "kept" :) Thanks.--Mbz1 (talk) 17:06, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

 Done --AFBorchert (talk) 18:21, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Thank you!--Mbz1 (talk) 20:08, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Commons:Deletion requests/File:Azerbaijan Navy.jpg

Would it be possible for an administrator to review this request? It's been sitting inactive since August. Kind regards - Wiki:En:User:Buckshot06.

 Done --AFBorchert (talk) 22:31, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Cleaning up categories

• First: http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Wp_ppo.png&diff=32269844&oldid=32269834
• Second: http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:92.230.92.38&redirect=no
• Kopfschüttel 92.230.92.38 22:47, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

The revert of your edit has already been reverted. In cases like this it should be sufficient to notify the other editor as you did. Communication helps to sort out problems like this – even without the involvement of admins. Regards, AFBorchert (talk) 23:10, 24 November 2009 (UTC) P.S. Mistaken edits happen to anyone of us. This does not turn us to a "weird user". Please avoid such personal attacks. --AFBorchert (talk) 23:14, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Selected wrong license tag when loading image

Looking for help on how to change the licensing information for an image I uploaded. Can this be done or does the image have to be removed and reloaded?22015va (talk) 00:22, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Change the tag physically. We don't need to delete the image.Mitch32^{(Want help? See here!)} 01:23, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Maradona's pic

 18:29, 23 November 2009 CommonsDelinker (talk | contribs) m (53,324 bytes) (Removing "Diego_Maradona_2009.jpg", it has been deleted from Commons by High Contrast because: Copyright violation: source: FIFA.com.) (undo)

It's still on Commons, what is the status on that and can someone add it back to the article? Kiagla (talk) 16:03, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

No, it's not still on Commons... —LX (talk, contribs) 16:21, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Request for removal private information

Hello, I was wondering if one of the moderators could delete my real name in the comment of the first version of File:VOC ship Amsterdam.jpg (see section "File history") and replace it with my username Magalhães. If this is not possible you can also delete the version of 28 April 2005 of this file (because two newer an better versions exist anyway). Thanks very much. Magalhães (talk) 09:58, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

It needs to be done by an oversighter. As there aren't that many nor are they particularly active, you might want to send an email to the address listed at COM:OV. -- User:Docu at 10:12, 26 November 2009 (UTC) (Note: Looks like Rama and Raymond are more active recently than I thought. Please excuse. -- User:Docu at 13:07, 26 November 2009 (UTC))

(EC) I've done #2, whereas #1 as described by Docu. --Túrelio (talk) 10:14, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

I see it already has been done, thanks very much! Magalhães (talk) 10:21, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Wiki-Email sent to you for further handling. Raymond 11:13, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Change name

Hi, can you change File:WEEKNUMMER552-HRE0000D69A.ogg to De Heiligdomsvaart 1955 Polygoonjournaal - Sanctuary procession

 Done No problem, File:De Heiligdomsvaart 1955 Polygoonjournaal - Sanctuary procession.ogg now. Please use {{rename|De Heiligdomsvaart 1955 Polygoonjournaal - Sanctuary procession.ogg|reason=your reason}} in future, see Commons:File renaming. --Martin H. (talk) 18:24, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Copyright violation

Insistent copyright violation by this user Antonetequintilianob. Please check. Thanks. Fabiano ^msg 01:51, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

I've warned him, not trying to be harsh.Mitch32^{(Want help? See here!)} 03:09, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Can someone please decide if this CDR (reason copyvio) can be closed with keep after this statement of the uploader? Thanks. --Leyo 07:24, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

User:Fcogaribay

File:Ardillatecoman.jpg http://www.tineye.com/search/eac7315fdb0a5276393a1ff55f3fe511b686300e

File:Iguanatcm.jpg http://www.tineye.com/search/ee0c5e5ff767daf26beddc6eba6e65dd5741cdaf

probably more copyright violations from this user.

-- 78.50.136.220 17:42, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Spam

I've just read some info on spamming, researched after a user initiated a deletion request. I was quite nervous believing that someone was using the image for spam, so I began self-deleting all but one of my images. Having since read the info about spam on wiki, I need to know if I am the spammer. If so, is it because of my over-assigning or requesting searches for image categories in a short period of time, or for doing multiple edits (both of which I've definitely done and see that I shouldn't have), or is it that someone is spamming with the image? If it is me, what else do I need to know as far as what not to do (I realize that may be too broad-based to answer, but what the heck). I know that I've posted questions and statements in two other people's pages until I figured that one out. I'll hold off on uploading the hand and wrist and cardiac surgical scar images until I find out. Thanks for your time and effort. Eng446w4 (talk) 08:49, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, I'd posted this to my own talk page earlier; also, thanks to Turelio and Martin H for past help. I don't think of myself as computer illiterate, but I may be when it comes to doing all this correctly. If so, I'll again consider closing this account to avoid creating more work for all. As always, thanks for your time and effort! Eng446w4 (talk) 03:35, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Hi. I think that the spamming is someone uploading a lot of useless / duplicate images - running multiple searches or large numbers of useful edits isn't going to be called spamming. As for deleting images if someone spams with them, that's rather a step backwards - the way forward is to smite the one abusing the image, as if they can't use your image they'll just get another. -mattbuck (Talk) 04:43, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Very well; I had three or four uploads that day, so it surely appears to me that it was I who was the spammer, unless your records show otherwise. I'll keep uploads to a maximum of one or a day in the future. I can see where more than that would be a problem. Meanwhile, I'll wait and see how my deletes go. Thanks very very much for the quick reply! Eng446w4 (talk) 05:04, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Three or four uploads a day is very routine. I've often had occasion to upload dozens (and occasionally hundreds) of images in a day. If the images are appropriate, this isn't even vaguely spammy. It's only spam if the images are problematic: duplicates or near-duplicates, copyright problems, out of scope (routine pictures of non-notable people), etc. - Jmabel ! talk 08:21, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Looking now at what you've uploaded: we do really have quite enough unremarkable pictures of normal human penises. So I can see why these would be described as spam. - Jmabel ! talk 08:23, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

That does make even more sense, so it is just as well that the deletion process was started, as those images don't add value to the to their pages. Thanks again! Eng446w4 (talk) 14:19, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Request for deletion of an old version of a photo

I've just found I left in this photo I uploaded last month some unuseful, and quite private, EXIF, IPTC and TIFF metadata. I've just uploaded an updated version of the image without these problems; I would like you to permanently delete the previous version, in order my privacy to be fully guaranteed. The version to delete is this (the older one in here). Thank you very much, and have a nice day! --Raminus (talk) 22:15, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

 Done --AFBorchert (talk) 22:20, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Photo from Panoramio

Resolved

Is the first time I upload a photo from panoramio. Please can an administrator check for correctness and validate the image?--JotaCartas (talk) 02:50, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

• I assume flickr reviewers are allowed to review Panoramio photos so I did this for you. Thank you for uploading this file :) Next time, it would be helpful to click the file and bring up the high resolution version so that Commons may archive it. I went ahead and did this for you. -Nard the Bard 04:46, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

File:Celtic Star-Dublin 31-5-08.jpg

This file has been tagged as a copyvio. I wouldn't have uploaded it unless I was satisfied that it was suitable to use on Commons. May we have a speedy settlement of the issue as I was hoping to upload more photos from the source the file came from. Mjroots (talk) 06:40, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

We don't allow Creative Commons licenses that have the "NC" or "noncommercial" condition. Just "BY" (attribution) or "BY-SA" (attribution, share-alike). Please see here for more info. Killiondude (talk) 06:55, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Bah, I hit the wrong deletion summary, since it wasn't on Flickr (momentary brain fart), but it was a non-free Creative Commons license nonetheless. Killiondude (talk) 06:57, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

OK, my mistake. Will just have to try and find other photos that are useable. Mjroots (talk) 07:00, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

user uploads

please check user uploads, I have founded some copyvios but all other seems to be taken during 2 days. Could somebody help to check are there copyvios pictures left.--Motopark (talk) 15:37, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

deletion request

expert19612005 Hallo Könnt ihr bitte meine Bilder löschen? Ich weiss nicht wie das geht. Habe angst das mich jemand von meiner Arbeit erkennt. Habe nicht richtig darüber nachgedacht. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Expert19612005 (talk • contribs) 08:35, 18. Nov. 2009 (UTC)

Alle? --Túrelio (talk) 07:45, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

 Done Killiondude (talk) 07:49, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

The remaining pictures from this user are not yet deleted. I can still see (and unfortunately not un-see) them. Someone delete them please. Hekerui (talk) 14:07, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

A week later, and there still seem to be rather a lot of files which, to judge by their filenames, probably should be deleted, especially if the uploader is now worried about their being seen and recognised. I don't particularly want to look at them! I'm with Hekerui on this! SiGarb (talk) 16:09, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Jack Merridew

• User:Davenbelle
• User:Moby Dick
• User:D2C2E798-72EF-4EA6-A746-5B45D9610DCE

I'm going to {{Speedydelete}}-tag the above pages and would like the older history deleted; tag and catagorize the pages, Jack too, as needed.

Jack Merridew 06:03, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Sorry for the bother ;) Cheers, Jack Merridew 12:56, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Upload protection?

I just wanted to reprotect a file after this request, but there seems to be no more upload protection. Anyone knows what's going on? --The Evil IP address (talk) 10:16, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

upload protection should have never gone live as it did not work properly. Werdna removed it once the issue was brought up. Betacommand 12:49, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Minarettinitiative_2009_de.svg

Hallo, ich wollte kleinere Fehler in der o. g. von mir erzeugten und hochgeladenen Datei beseitigen, aber ich bekomme die Fehlermeldung: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Bdk/de . Könnte mir jemand bitte die Berechtigung zur Korrektur erteilen oder selbst die korrigierte Datei hochladen?

Änderung: kleinere Enklaven (Genf im Waadt, Thurgau in St. Gallen, Solothurn in Bern, Fribourg in Bern, Bern in Fribourg) korrekt eingefärbt.

Danke --Furfur (talk) 18:59, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

 Done reply (in German) --:bdk: 17:25, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Move works now so...

User talk:Lycaon/Move requests. That list was last updated 6 months ago. There is much more to do if you go through my gallery. File:Unidentified Damselfly 5390.jpg was also deleted in error. Thanks. Noodle snacks (talk) 01:19, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

bad edit

Bot seems to have made a bad edit to Glynn County, Georgia on Wikipedia. 66.177.193.40 02:25, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

See above, #Return of the Mass image and linkspam account, and en.wikipedia en:Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Spam#mapzones.org. Maybe the deleting admins should include "Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Spam#mapzones.org" into their edit summary? --Martin H. (talk) 15:19, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Return of the Mass image and linkspam account

Resolved

• Special:Contributions/Worldenc
• previous Commons spam case

Returning spammer from this previous case, now attempting to cicumvent administrative actions both here and on enwikipedia by spamming a different domain (search mapzones.org). I've blacklisted the link on the english wikipedia and reverting the users edits. thanks--Hu12 (talk) 19:15, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

I blocked the account and started deleting but this looks like a job for a delete bot. COM:TWINKLE won't do batch deletes of images I guess? Wknight94 ^talk 19:51, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

And this is surely spam? I mean, user:Worldenc has been uploading scores of these diagrams since days and nobody saw a problem. --Túrelio (talk) 19:53, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

It went undetected last time also, strange. --Hu12 (talk) 21:03, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

And these diagrams (only now I looked at one) are not useful or are a problem due to the link in the source entry (leading to the US Census Bureau, a US government agency)? --Túrelio (talk) 21:10, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

These should not be deleted at this point. I've been aware of Worldenc's uploads and have looked through a few occassionally. There are some on en.wiki that believe this is a spam sock, and it is being discussed, but images like File:US53A033 Income.png are sourced to the US census bureau! At least the information for Kings County and federal data used in the graph is on the link given in the source, but the state information isn't on the source link. I'm not sure a spammer would use the US government agency's data as a source. For right now, we souldn't delete until we can prove that 1) The information (for the majority) is wrong, or 2) The majority of the files source a spam website (at that point, we should see if the information is reliable, and if the source can simply be changed to the US census bureau's information). Killiondude (talk) 21:28, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

How does one claim as "own work", yet link to gov site? Even more mysifying...how does one claim as "own work", yet source 25,000 images to a newly created scraper spam site? This is a problem and a very aggressive form of link-building scheme being employed.--Hu12 (talk) 21:59, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Wknight 94, you might be able to nuke the uploads (or alternatively try the gadget "AutoDelete"). --The Evil IP address (talk) 23:02, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

@Killiondude, it looks like only the raw data is coming from the census site. The pictures themselves are from this spam site. Someone should put together a gadget to create these, not make a bot to flood this whole site. Wknight94 ^talk 00:23, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Wknight94, do you know for sure if the charts that are on Commons are on mapzones.org? I'm genuinely asking, because then we would have a problem. I don't see File:US53A033 Income.png on [http: //mapzones.org/Kings_County_California.html this page]. Killiondude (talk) 04:46, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

That's because you looked in the wrong state. It's Washington, not California. [http: //mapzones.org/King_County_Washington.html Right here]. Wknight94 ^talk 05:02, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Thank you, that was my mistake. Well, the uploader swears on en.wiki that the images are theirs... I'm not sure what you guys would like to do. See this comment from them. Killiondude (talk) 05:08, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Wknight and The Evil IP: Nuke won't work here. I can take care of the deletions. Please ping me when we've come to an adequate conclusion to proceed. As to the relation between the two cases - I think this is the same spammer. Look at their first contributions and compare them to the socks in the last spamming case. I'm pretty positive the user used some sort of bot to upload all these images. That and Hu12's evidence gives me the conclusion it's the same spammer. — Kanonkas // talk // e-mail // 11:39, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

I made a comment at en:Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Spam. Now the deletion already started, so don't mind my opinion. I don't see a reason for speedy deletion, the upload was different from the first upload (massive sockpuppetry, massive spam). There is no need to keep the linkspam in en.wp articles, on Commons the impact or effect of external linkspam is supposably very small. It would have been better to wait for the outcome of en:Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Cities#User:Worldenc and their charts or other discussion. Thats what I suggested to Worldenc (he not followed my suggestion). --Martin H. (talk) 17:16, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

I only barely started deleting and only got < 1% of the way before realizing there were over 25,000 of them - and before seeing there were dissenting opinions. See here for the total list I deleted. Wknight94 ^talk 17:24, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Seems like pretty clear spam to me. For what it's worth. I deleted about 800 before I noticed this thread. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 03:21, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

It's the same spammer. User is now blocked for sockpuppetry on en.wikipedia. With clear cut evidence of massive sockpuppetry, massive spam, I see no reason for keeping this spam. It's all the same deleted spam as previously, delete them all.--Hu12 (talk) 19:57, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

As I said above: Please dont mind my opinion. Now that the Spam case is resolved on WikiProject Spam we should complete the deletion. --Martin H. (talk) 20:56, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

I agree with deleting them, and am going to start hacking away at it. Tiptoety ^talk 22:03, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Surely a bot could be created to do it. Kanonkas suggested letting him/her know when this was decided. Wknight94 ^talk 01:04, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

I have a script, and am running it now. Tiptoety ^talk 01:37, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

I think I have the same script, and it was killing my computer, so I stopped. I checked the deletion log, and I think you and I were conflicting with one another, since the end of my deletions were the start of your run. Kinda odd that we both started doing it at the same time. :-) Killiondude (talk) 02:19, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

The only thing that remains is to blacklist the site here. MER-C 06:15, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Done. — Kanonkas // talk // e-mail // 15:02, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

We've still got some uploads. I'll take care of the rest later on today. — Kanonkas // talk // e-mail // 07:17, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Please see Commons:Administrators'_noticeboard#Bot_flag_temporarily_granted_to_two_users as well... if others are helping out and want flags please advise any 'crat. Thanks to all who are pitching in, much appreciated. ++Lar: t/c 14:30, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

The promotional uploads have been taken care of. Thank you Hu12 for reporting this to us. — Kanonkas // talk // e-mail // 17:30, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Great work everyone. Thanks for the flag Lar, it really helped recent changes not look like the deletion log. And thanks Juliancolton (talk · contribs), and Kanonkas (talk · contribs) for helping with the deletions. Cheers, Tiptoety ^talk 19:13, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Cheers! --Hu12 (talk) 03:36, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Amazing cleanup! Great coordination. thanks--Hu12 (talk) 03:36, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Bot flag temporarily granted to two users

Hi...

Tiptoety (talk · contributions (views) · deleted user contributions · recent activity (talk · project · deletion requests) · logs · block log · global contribs · CentralAuth) and Juliancolton (talk · contributions (views) · deleted user contributions · recent activity (talk · project · deletion requests) · logs · block log · global contribs · CentralAuth) are cleaning up some massive spamming (see Commons:Administrators'_noticeboard#Return_of_the_Mass_image_and_linkspam_account above) and asked to have the bot flag granted temporarily to avoid flooding recent changes. I've done so and notified my fellow 'crats via our mailing list... any 'crat can turn it back off again as appropriate. Long term we may want to get the flood flag enabled here. ++Lar: t/c 14:23, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

I've taken the note to COM:BN as well. — Kanonkas // talk // e-mail // 14:36, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Flags removed. The task has been taken care of. — Kanonkas // talk // e-mail // 17:37, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks everyone for your hard work on this! ++Lar: t/c 20:25, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Using Wikipedia as a personal photo album

(This query also posted at Commons talk:Deletion requests)

Hi all. I have just left a message for User:Fale on his Talk Page and at his hidden category talk page. I have spent a lot of time today requesting speedy deletion of several almost-identical versions of pics of plants that were categorised as Category:Unidentified Asteraceae. I suspected there may be more, so I had a look at his hidden category Category:Files by Fale. It looks as though he downloads almost everything that is on his camera, without bothering to check for focus, exposure, best composition (in those cases where they differ at all) or anything! There are hundreds of them, and they must be occupying many gigabytes of Wikipedia's memory. What is the best thing to do? SiGarb (talk) 15:45, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Be happy that this user takes the time to upload all these nice images.

What do you think you'll accomplish with deleting this images? Saving disk space? Think again. I'm going to revert you're speedy deletion requests as this is no ground for speedy deletion at all. Move along and find something nice to do instead of bothering this user. Multichill (talk) 17:02, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Excuse me for breathing, User:Multichill! I was doing "something nice", some (as I thought) useful work, identifying Category:Unidentified Asteraceae, when I discovered five virtually identical images by this user, and several more sets of near duplicates, which it seemed pointless to go to the trouble of identifying and moving to another category. It also seemed pointless to leave them there cluttering up that page, wasting other people's time. I could have simply removed the category, but it seemed more valuable to bring it to someone's attention. I agree that Fale has uploaded lots of great images, and I've told him so, but I think that you are both missing the point. Have you looked at, for instance, the third 200 of his Category:Files by Fale, where there are 17 almost identical images. He's normally a reasonably good photographer, but these are all out of focus. He's uploaded 2,985 images (with lots of duplicates)! I'm just suggesting that he should be more selective, and choose only his best images to upload. Can you suggest a good use for 17 virtually identical blurry images within Wikipedia? "Move along" yourself. (BTW, I like the "Please be polite" guideline at the top of your talk page – doesn't it apply to you?) SiGarb (talk) 20:17, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

On one hand, I don't see the blurry ones. On the other hand, while I'm all for multiple pictures of the same subject at different angles, I have to admit this may be going overboard. There are numerous examples of the exact same angle of the same subject where the only differences are the people in the foreground of the tower, or slight light differences in the background of a plant, etc. And the duplicates are 6 or 7 pictures at a time. I suppose it doesn't hurt, but it seems a bit silly. I had to go back and forth quickly between windows just to see what the differences were. At some point, COM:D#Duplicates should probably kick in. Wknight94 ^talk 20:29, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Yes, different angles would be good. Have a look at these. Admittedly, parts of the image are in focus, but not the flowers themselves.

And that's just four from a set of 17 (the last 10, from File:Fale_-_Giardini_Botanici_Hanbury_in_Ventimiglia_-_129 to 138 inclusive, are almost in focus, but not quite. And all of them are slightly overexposed – why doesn't he at least try some different exposures, say at a third or a half a stop difference?)… The problem with using COM:D#Duplicates is that I don't think they are exact duplicates. There are minute differences between the files, but, as you found, it's a logistical nightmare comparing them. SiGarb (talk) 21:24, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

I suppose if you felt strongly enough about it, you could bring to COM:DR. But there must be some precedent for 99.999% identical pictures, isn't there? Personally, I don't care enough to try to get them deleted - and clearly Multichill agrees above. But maybe the community disagrees. If Fale is reading this, my suggestion would be to not waste his/her time and just pick what you think is the best one to upload. If there is a 17-way tie, pick one at random. That's what I do anyway. Wknight94 ^talk 21:38, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. I have discussed this with Fale. He's quite happy for the surplus images to be nominated for deletion. He had been advised in some internet chat room to upload everything! But I think he realises that there is no need for so many virtually identical images to be cluttering up the Commons archives in perpetuity. Perhaps the upload pages should include some clearer guidance on this point? SiGarb (talk) 11:30, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Change name of category

Hi.
Could you please change the name of Category:Råeimsdalen into Category:Råheimsdalen. (no:Råheim is the name of the farms in which the valley (= dalen ) is named after.) I have also asked about this in Category talk:Råeimsdalen without any response. --Hoppedal (talk) 23:07, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

No one is watching that category, obviously. Posting something on talk pages on Commons content will end without answers in >90% of the cases. For rename requests on categories use {{subst:cfd}} with discussion, {{move|target|reason|yyyy-mm-dd}} to have the categorie moved after some time without discussion if no one objects. For obvious typos you may also simply establish a category redirect {{see cat|target}}, if you give a proper reason in your edit summary some one will ask a bot to move the content to the target category. --Martin H. (talk) 04:05, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

can someone close this case

deleting [request] are waiting closing, can someone help in this case--Motopark (talk) 14:31, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Please be patient, this DR has been just opened on 25 November 2009. --AFBorchert (talk) 15:06, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll wait--Motopark (talk) 16:27, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Freedom of panorama issues

Because of finding similar images on the enwiki, I am finding quite a few uploads of US sculptures for which no freedom of panorama exceptions exists per COM:FOP. Many of these images have flickr source, some of which have been improperly licence with a free licence, while others have all right reserved. I have tagged about 25 images by Umapaka Ltalley09 and Lambertr as copyright violations but I am sure there are more such images that look good based on a valid flickr licence but are really derivative works of copyright artworks. Some of these images were tagged on the enwiki and then uploaded here. I get the impression this may be part of an Indiana University-Purdue University Indianapolis college project because of the locations and article similarity. Perhaps editors would look out for such violations that may slip under the radar. Most of the articles in which such images appear are linked in this template en:Template:IUPUIPublicArt if you can help out. Thanks Ww2censor (talk) 16:26, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Closing a Deletion Request

Hey folks, was wondering if someone wouldn't mind closing the deletion request at Commons:Deletion requests/Atlantis docking with Mir, as its been open since 8 October and hasn't had any replies for several days. There's an article on en-wikipedia that I'm hoping to take for FAC which uses this image, so if someone could please close the discussion one way or another I'd be very grateful. Thanks, Colds7ream (talk) 08:07, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Closed. Pruneau^talk 08:22, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Image referesh issue

I uploaded a new version of File:Pusa hispida saimensis at Finnish Museum of Natural History.jpg that is lightened so the seal is more clearly seen. However, it won't display properly. The image still shows as the old dark image in the window and in the revisions list, but if I click on the image itself it shows the lightened one. I've cleared my cache and refreshed several times since I did this yesterday. Anyone know what's up? Night Ranger (talk) 04:27, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

HEHEHE ... Night Ranger --> night witches .. HEHEHEH (sorry, I also don't know)--JotaCartas (talk) 05:23, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Probably a caching issue at the server. It will straight itself out soon. Thumbnails of other sizes than 800px work OK. Fred J (talk) 11:03, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Press "Purge" in top tabs to reload server side image and Crtl+F5 to reload your browser cache --Justass (talk) 11:12, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Photo of St John's Cathedral, Brisbane

Kindly restore this image. It can hardly be a copyright violation since I took the photo and have used it nowhere else. This appears to be a case of a bot going haywire. 114.78.31.98 08:02, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Please submit undeletion requests here and please provide an exact filename of the deleted image or tell us which user uploaded it. Thanks, AFBorchert (talk) 12:49, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

I already explained it on User talk:Martin H.. --Martin H. (talk) 13:06, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Want to Create New Fresnel Lenses Categories

I want to create under de "Category:Lighthouses fresnel lenses" some new Categories, to distribute de 75 images by "Orders", from 1 to 8, as they were classified in the past, and stil are. May I do so ? And if the answer is YES, wich name to use? - "1st order", "2nd order" and so on, or - "First order", "Second order" ...., or any other better way? Thank You.--JotaCartas (talk) 17:40, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Yes, if you know what you are doing to classify them, go ahead. Don't worry too much about anything other than consistency in naming the categories; it's easy to rename them later if we have to. - Jmabel ! talk 18:49, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Question about the procedure of blocking

See also: User:Чобиток Василий, File:T64 21.jpg, Commons:Administrators' noticeboard/Archives/User problems 11#Legal threats & uncivil behavior

Dear Administrators! Please inform me if the commons-user can be blocked for the reason w:WP:Legal threats without warning and once in perpetuity.--95.128.242.176 18:31, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Without warning I would say "yes". In perpetuity usually depends on the user. On en.wp, once a legal threat has been retracted, the user is usually unblocked (unless there are other issues). Wknight94 ^talk 18:41, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

I do not agree with the indefinite blocking of the user. What to do in this situation?--95.128.242.176 18:57, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Like I said, get him/her to retract the legal threat. That is the only chance. Wknight94 ^talk 19:03, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

See Commons:Administrators'_noticeboard/Archives/User_problems_11#Legal threats & uncivil behavior. The block is justified and was established by a native ru speaker. Of course with a valid reason the user can request unblock, see Commons:Blocking policy. Wknight94 named something one can expect as a reasoning. --Martin H. (talk) 19:08, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

• Please read the translated appeal to User:Pauk [17]. After that he was blocked by User:Putnik. Thus we see that User:Чобиток Василий just asked not to roll back to "criminal" version and offered to upload a new version of the file without watermark by himself.--Александр Мотин (talk) 16:40, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
• Kindly ask you to unblock the user.--Александр Мотин (talk) 16:42, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
• User:Чобиток Василий was blocked on ru-wiki because there is a rule "if you threaten someone at ru-wiki or on another web-site that you will apply to court you will be blocked".--Александр Мотин (talk) 17:21, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
  • Related questions:
    • Does someone have the right to overwrite the file instead of uploading it with another unique name if the user upload the image under {{CC-BY-SA-2.5}}?--Александр Мотин (talk) 16:56, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
    • How the user can find out that the Commons prohibits legal threats by authors of the images? Is there any instruction on the Commons that user should read policies and rules on other Wikipedias before writing something here on talk pages or somewhere else within Commons?--Александр Мотин (talk) 17:21, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

New Deletion Request

Hello, I put in my latest and final deletion request just after 3:00 today but there is no delete notice warning on the image page, only at my talk page; the other images had theirs adjusted almost immediately. Any idea how to get it on the deletion list and tagged accordingly? I might have skipped a step. Thanks. Eng446w4 (talk) 12:20, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

If you place a deletion request somewhere of course you must place it on the image yourself. Place {{delete|reason=your reason|year=2009|month=december|day=4}} on the image page and follow the instructions inside the red box. If you use the "nominate for deletion" link in the toolbox make sure, that your pop-up blocker is disabled and that all 4 edits (image page, delreq subpage, deletion log, user talk) are saved. --Martin H. (talk) 12:30, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks very much Martin! Eng446w4 (talk) 12:35, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Finally, I have two deletes now as I first requested speedy delete; I have since reassigned a regular delete and need the speedy delete request deleted. Thanks! Eng446w4 (talk) 12:43, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

If something is tagged with {{Speedy}} (or some similar tag asking for speedy deletion) it will be reviewed and deleted. If you not want to nominate something for speedy deletion you have to remove the speedydeletion tag. --Martin H. (talk) 12:46, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Again many thanks; it's okay as is. Eng446w4 (talk) 22:34, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

AWB request

Help, please. I don't like to be a nudge, but my name has been on Commons talk:AutoWikiBrowser/CheckPage requesting AWB registration for ten days. Did I post the request there incorrectly? Or, perhaps, is no one paying attention? Thanks, . . . . Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk • contribs) 15:12, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Put me down as not paying attention. I've added you to the approved list and that page to my watchlist. Sorry for the delay! Wknight94 ^talk 15:40, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

I have that on my watchlist, it must have slipped by me... my apologies as well. Killiondude (talk) 06:40, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Shouldn't we maybe think about getting rid of that page altogether? I can't remember that AWB vandalism has ever been a problem on Commons. Regards, -- ChrisiPK (Talk|Contribs) 14:00, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

More block evasion by User:Rukshanawahab

Interstate208 (talk · contribs) - contribs match Rukshanawahab (talk · contribs) exactly, from the "categories have been checked" edit summary to the useless image uploads. --TMF ^{Let's Go Mets - Stats} 17:57, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Blocked and images killed –Juliancolton | ^Talk 18:00, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

A clear case from other evidence, but careful: The "Categories have been checked" comes from clicking on the check categories now button on Category:Media needing category review. --Martin H. (talk) 19:54, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Question for help placing photo.jpg on biographee's page? RSVP

How does one post an image uploaded to Commons to a particular Wikipedia page? I uploaded a free use public domain photo of author Daniela Gioseffi as "Daniela Gioseffi.jpg" for that biographee's page had no photo and don't know how to get it onto the biographee page at Daniela Gioseffi. Wiki gave the message that the jpg did not match any Wiki pages, but it does. Please inform or do this for me, if you would be so kind. Dorothy

If you include [[File:Daniela Gioseffi.jpg]] in the page on en-wiki (probably you'll want [[File:Daniela Gioseffi.jpg|thumb|''some description'']] that will work. - Jmabel ! talk 19:35, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletes

Please speedy delete both images in my gallery (I only very recently reassigned as such). I'll request same for my account once I see that the images are gone. Thanks, as usual, and have a good day! Eng446w4 (talk) 17:16, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Images are deleted. However, we do not delete user accounts, as doing so would violate the GFDL. -mattbuck (Talk) 17:21, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks very much! Eng446w4 (talk) 18:05, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of the December 4 version of File:Sen. John Warner Elizabeth Taylor (215151711).jpg

Would someone delete the above version? The image is the same as the one of the previous version, but the upload log for that version includes all that text I previously removed from the file description page. -- User:Docu at 05:38, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

 Done Killiondude (talk) 06:39, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. BTW despite its previous length, the description lacks some basic info. I'd be glad if someone could add it. -- User:Docu at 09:04, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

same version via flicker

uploader has been loaded pictures where I have asked more information about source or they are waiting OTRS, now same pictures comes via flicker, does somebody check flicker versions that their information are OK--Motopark (talk) 03:43, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Have asked yesterday Martin.H [18] to check possible sockpuppetry, but even from the first impression it looks like a Flickrwashing --Justass (talk) 09:00, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

"mass rfd by Marku1988" case

In the ongoing rfd by Marku1988 (talk · contribs), whose rather desperately-sounding pleadings have been mostly ignored so far, now a German-writing IP (using an internet access from ARCOR AG, Germany) has added[19] a comment containing the name of the company who might (or not) be the owner of the disputed images. However, it doesn't look like a friendly act, as the IP calling herself Sabrina dismisses (though without any proof) Marku1988's claims that these images are not his own. Anyway, this new information is in no way verifiable from outside, except that the company exists. To the contrary, I see this as a breach of privacy and rather problematic because people from this company could now trace the deletion discussion. I've therefore removed (simple deletion) the company name from the IPs comment. --Túrelio (talk) 08:24, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Translation

In the Basque (ISO code: eu) version of Commons some words of the left box have not been translated. These are the words that should be translated:

• Welcome ---> Ongietorria
• Village pump ---> Komunitatearen ataria
• participate ---> parte hartu
• Latest files ---> Azken fitxategiak
• Random file ---> Ausazko fitxategia
• Contact page ---> Harremanetan jarri
• Subpages ---> Azpiorrialdeak

Thanks in advance.--An13sa (talk) 19:23, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Category:Media missing permission backlog

Hey there, Commons isn't my home, so I hope I'm posting this somewhere useful. A user over at the English Wikipedia, someone brought up on my talk page that a file had been tagged with a no permission here on Commons and was yet to be deleted. Since it was tagged since November 20, I found this a bit strange as that was beyond the regular seven day mark. After looking into the topic, I noticed that Category:Media missing permission was in excess backlog—media has been there since October. I'm not sure if this is an issue that was already aware of or if there was some other reason as to why the backlogged has been relieved, so I thought I'd bring this up here. Regards. — ξ^xplicit 19:44, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

See also category:Deletion requests. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 19:46, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Unfortunately this is routine for Commons. Most deletion related matters are semi-permanently backlogged.--Nilfanion (talk) 19:49, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Deletion of empty categories

Hi. This is the second time in a few days that I see one of the categories I created being deleted because it's "empty". First, it was Category:Pavillon Flaubert, and today it was Category:Taipei Lungshan Temple. Could we please stop deleting empty categories? I don't see where it is written in Commons:Deletion policy that empty categories should be deleted. I happen to spend a lot of time working on categories during the preparation of my uploads. Sometimes, the actual upload is delayed for various reasons, and some categories stay empty a few months. Is it harmful? I can't see why. On the other hand, it is both frustrating and unsettling to find out later that my work has vanished, or not to find the categories I thought I had created before. I assume I am not the only Commons user in this case. guillom 19:57, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Why create categories months before you need them? /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 20:00, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Because, as I said, it takes a lot of time to prepare the categories before the upload, and I don't know at that time when I am going to upload the pictures. And you didn't say why it was harmful. guillom 20:03, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Because I hate going through elaborate category trees with only a few images. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 20:10, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

It is actually written into COM:SPEEDY: A page can be deleted if it is ... "A category with no content or containing only a parent category." Whether it should be included or not is another question (not sure personally).--Nilfanion (talk) 20:01, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Many people change their idea about category use and their names without bothering to clean up behind, so we need some cleanup procedure. On the other hand, we observed that with bot generated (empty) categories for cities/villages/towns, people tend to find easier their way to categorise their images: it is already good that an uploader find its categories; asking them to create them and put them in the correct catgeories is most of the time just too much for a person that has no (long) experience in the domain. So, yes, we have to refine that procedure, but asking that a random category sits there for months seems not realistic. Any suggestions ? --Foroa (talk) 20:16, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Israel and FOP

I've been studying this truly wonderful dispute for some time and have posted my summary of the facts of the matter. I have also provided by interpretation of what it means for Commons - I'd like people to either approve of what I said (or not) at Commons talk:Freedom of panorama#Outside view, December 2009. Thanks.--Nilfanion (talk) 21:18, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Uploader will blank the OTRS-request

uploader will blank the OTRS-request, could someone help in this case--Motopark (talk) 20:47, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Seems User:TeamRealtree is clone of User:Nicole2009 who already failed to present any permission to use those logos and they were deleted [20]

All deleted. -mattbuck (Talk) 23:17, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Kikijaco

Abigor is currently inactive. Please take care of this (AN archive). -- Common Good (talk) 22:00, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

flicker washing ?

user in flicker and uploader seems to be have same pictures, commons pictures are waiting OTRS-permission, can someone check--Motopark (talk) 16:04, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Same images as uploaded before and sourced http://christopheruckermann.org/gallery/, besides some are clear screenshots from TV or move --Justass (talk) 16:34, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

version history

is it possible to delete the version history of a couple of images? the problem is, that a hyperlink is in the version history and it should not appear anymore on wikipedia. for example this image Image:Volkswagen_Polo_9N3-Facelift-GP.jpg? --Flor!an (talk) 18:03, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Oversighters are able to do this. You either can send them a mail to oversight-commons@lists.wikimedia.org, or contact either Lar, Raymond or Rama. "Normal" admins can't do this. --The Evil IP address (talk) 18:11, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

That's not really what oversight is for if I understand Flor!an's request correctly. As such, I went ahead and selectively deleted some of the images history. Flor!an: take a look at the history. Was this what you were after? Tiptoety ^talk 18:41, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Tip, can you drop me an email? Thanks. (has to do with this) ++Lar: t/c 01:20, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

NVM, talked to you in IRC. I agree this is not an oversight matter I don't think but I'm in communication with the user to get more information. ++Lar: t/c 02:12, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

I think this is sorted. If it is not please contact me directly. Thanks. ++Lar: t/c 13:45, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

World wealth pie charts from United Nations University

en:United Nations University

Are these pie charts for the top 10% and 1% considered to be free images put out by the UN?:

• top 10%
• top 1%

They are from this UNU (United Nations University) study:

• http://www.wider.unu.edu/events/past-events/2006-events/en_GB/05-12-2006/

See the section of chart links at the end. --Timeshifter (talk) 22:49, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Is something like that even considered copyrightable? This is a really simple pie chart - if you don't think it's PD, just recreate it. Regards, -- ChrisiPK (Talk|Contribs) 22:56, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

How? --Timeshifter (talk) 00:39, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

AFAIR OpenOffice can create charts. Probably GNUplot as well. Regards, -- ChrisiPK (Talk|Contribs) 17:40, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Anything simple where one can copy the nations and percentages, and a pie chart pops out? --Timeshifter (talk) 19:10, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Simple pie-charts may not qualify for copyright protection. There is no degree of creativity. Avoiding the issue entirely and re-creating with a different color scheme makes sense.--J.smith (talk) 00:48, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Closing deletion requests

I'm a relatively new admin. Commons:Deletion requests/File:Mnba025b.jpg is a deletion request I made months ago. No one ever commented. The image looks to me like an almost certain copyvio. Is it acceptable for me to close the discussion myself and delete the image, or is that poor form when I'm the one who nominated it for deletion and there is no other commentary? - Jmabel ! talk 19:33, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

• Normally, it is believed that an admin who nominated a file for deletion should not close the request (kind of an implementation of the Linus' Law for Commons :); but if nobody has payed attention to a request for such a long time, feel free to close it. odder (talk) 20:11, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
• In cases like this one, I wouldn't hesitate to close it if I were you. People had plenty of time to object to the deletion, but didn't. I think you should abstain only when there are arguments both in favor and against deletion, and you're somehow involved (either as nominator or by participating in the debate). –Tryphon^☂ 20:52, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

This is now resolved by User:odder. -- Deadstar (msg) 10:18, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

move some files

can the following files be moved to a similar name without the sign & in the name. The issue is, that there is a template in de.wp, which seems have a bug in this particular case. for details see question there.--0g1o2i3k4e5n6 (talk) 12:30, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

• File:ford&fulk_worstcase_1.gif
• File:ford&fulk_worstcase_2.gif
• File:ford&fulk_worstcase_3.gif
• File:ford&fulk_worstcase_4.gif
• File:ford&fulk_worstcase_5.gif

OK --S^[1] 12:46, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

User introducing copyright violations

Can someone review this, to delete the problematic images and possibly block the account? Thanks, Enigmaman (talk) 04:46, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

All user's images are deleted/have been nominated as copyvios. -- Deadstar (msg) 10:17, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Would it be appropriate to block the editor? I spotted this stuff on en.wiki. Someone went around and added the images to articles. I'm removing them now. Enigmaman (talk) 22:23, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Question about file renaming

I'm still confused. When should I move a file? After hitting "Save" on User:CommonsDelinker/commands? or after the CommonsDelinker completes the replacement? Please give more precise instruction. Thank you. Kwj2772 (msg) 15:05, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

I usually first move the file (leaving a redirect behind), and then tell CommonsDelinker to replace all usages. Works fine. –Tryphon^☂ 15:09, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

I believe the image redirects work now. That is, even if you don't replace the instances of the file with the new name, the redirect should still allow for the old file link to show the same picture. But it is probably a good idea to update links. Killiondude (talk) 18:14, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Yes, image redirects work. Nevertheless, I don't think CheckUsage would see usages of the file through redirect (that is, if A.jpg is in use and redirects to B.jpg, checking B.jpg would tell you that the file is not in use). So it's better to replace usages for all Wikimedia projects, and just leave the redirect for external websites. Even better would be to have a bot do it (or is it already the case?). –Tryphon^☂ 14:34, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Copyright violations

At this moment, Category:Copyright violations has 231 files listed. I have deleted some of them, but hey are too much to delete on a single sesion (and, besides, each case has to be checked before deleting, to confirm it's indeed a copyright violation; so it can't be done at high speed). Being the category where the most obvious copyright violations are left for speedy deletion, it should be as empty as possible to allow such copyright violations to be deleted quickly rather than staying lost in a backlog for days. So, any help in clearing this mess is welcomed. Belgrano (talk) 02:46, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

I deleted some files. But not all of the files are clearly copyvios, isn't it? --Mbdortmund (talk) 15:55, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

an edit

Could a Russian speaker evaluate this edit[21]? The edit summary doesn't seem to be truthful, and I can't tell if the change is accurate or not. -Nard the Bard 21:58, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Couldn't find who is Mr. Черепенко А.Д., but as it's official document issued by Ministry of Education and Science of Ukraine, credits should go to ministry --Justass (talk) 22:17, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

copyright for plaques and Freedom of Panorama

Here is a deletion request from the admin durova Commons:Deletion requests/File:Voorpl.jpg that argues that texts of memorial plaques are copyrighted in the US, and there is no freedom of panorama for this kind of photo. Is this interpretation common sense? It will apply to several files, for instance File:Toaping Castle Historical Marker 01.jpg as far I understand. Fortunately for me this is only an academic question. I hope my English is clear enough. Best wishes Cholo Aleman (talk) 22:10, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

IMHO Durova is right. If something is copyrighted, you may not reproduce it without permission. Some countries have Freedom of Panorama, which allows you to reproduce works in a public space without permission, but the US don't have that. This makes the photograph a derivative work of the text and as such it would need permission by the author of the text. Regards, -- ChrisiPK (Talk|Contribs) 22:27, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

In the deletion request are new arguments from user:AFBorchert, that FOP applies in this case, and he even cites a case - there should be a consensus on this issue for further discussions Cholo Aleman (talk) 20:32, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

File redirects

This is a friendly reminder to admins that redirects to another file as a result of moving files should almost never be deleted. There are several reasons why, and I think brion VIBBER sums it up nicely in his post about it, when the move option was enabled for admins back in September. It could break outside links (outside of Wikimedia projects) that are used to attribute files, among other things, and we don't want that happening. I've brought it up because I've noticed that some admins do delete these redirects. Killiondude (talk) 08:23, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

I'm actually wondering why we have the option of leaving a redirect behind. Since it's almost always the right thing to do, the UI should not offer to disable it so easily; in the few cases where a redirect is not needed, it can always be deleted manually afterwards. Making it a less straightforward process shows that it should only be done in exceptional cases. –Tryphon^☂ 08:50, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for this post. -- Deadstar (msg) 09:01, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

And a quick question - would this also mean that when a file gets deleted because there is an exact duplicate, a redirect should be created to this other file? -- Deadstar (msg) 09:18, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Had the same question in mind, from one side attribution is not required because file is deleted and better version has all information, but if we care about projects outside of Commons that may link/use deleted version, it may be a problem --Justass (talk) 09:24, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

What could be done about deleting redirects would be to create an AbuseFilter that prevents people from deleting them. Preventing from moving with "redirect suppressed" isn't possible, because there's nothing that could be checked about it. It could however be mentionend in MediaWiki:Movepagetext within the File-only content. --The Evil IP address (talk) 11:33, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

The full discussion is now at Village pump/Archive/2009Oct#What should we do with File redirects?

I think we should modify the current way of dealing with file names that are being renamed because they are misleading or erroneous.

Sample: File:Dent d'Hérens 0001.jpg was renamed to File:Dent Blanche and Weisshornjoch from Bishorn, 2006 (161212318).jpg because the main peak in the image is not "Dent d'Hérens". In this case, I think clearly the redirect should be deleted.

The additional problem is that the rename went through CommonsDelinker (standard approach) and all erroneous uses were updated to the new filename (nl:Dent d'Hérens, uk:Дан Д'Еран, nn:Dent d'Hérens).

From my recent review of rename requests (see Commons talk:File renaming#File renaming requests), I think these make up only a minor part of the renames, but I think it's important to get these right.

To avoid problems in the future, the following could help:

• deal with misleading names separately (maybe a parameter to add in the template, placing them in a separate category)
• review the current use of a file
• if it is used incorrectly elsewhere, CommonsDelinker shouldn't be used to update the filename
• redirects should be suppressed

- -- User:Docu at 11:50, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Even in this case I don't think the redirect should be deleted. External use still need proper attribution, and if we break links, we basically prevent honest re-users from complying with the license terms. The only case a redirect can be deleted is when it's realistically impossible that someone linked to it from an external site (i.e. the file has been uploaded very recently). –Tryphon^☂ 11:56, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

It seems like I'm missing the point, which part of the license requires that? Commons:Credit line doesn't seem to mention that. -- User:Docu at 12:01, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

It should be sufficient to give a link to the duplicate file in the editing comment. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 12:03, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Well, the recommended way of giving credit and licensing information for an image is to link it back to Commons (and some users might require it explicitly as part of the license agreement, for example Section 5b (iii) of the Creative Commons license). If we delete the file as a duplicate, the link doesn't point to authorship and license information anymore, and one has to jump through hoops to find it. –Tryphon^☂ 12:24, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

One could make the info in the warning box more visible. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 12:28, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

I don't really see what you mean. With a direct link (which is typically what you have in case of use on an external non-wiki website), you don't even see that box. And even if you somehow manage to get there, in this example you don't even get a link but an image name that you have to copy paste; that's what I meant by jumping through hoops. –Tryphon^☂ 12:53, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I understand the problem. What I meant was that maybe the software could be made to present the edit comment that is in that warning box. Immediately in the response to a direct link. And edit comments can include clickable links. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 12:58, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Ah, I see. That could be a solution, but until it's implemented, we should stick to using redirects. And although links can be included in the deletion summary, it requires admins to be diligent and always enter those; there will always be some mistakes or negligence. All in all, redirects are a much more systematic and simple way of solving this issue, with the added bonus of not breaking image links in external wikis. –Tryphon^☂ 13:14, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Well, if the persistence of links is a requirement, the name of the file deleted as duplicate should redirect to the other file and one shouldn't be able to upload over the deleted file's name.

In any case, if it's the preferred way for images, at least a sample should be given at Commons:Credit line. -- User:Docu at 12:57, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

For the 5b (iii) to require that the redirect isn't deleted, wouldn't the uploader need to specify the URI? -- User:Docu at 22:00, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

•  Comment: Though suppressng redirects wouldn't become technically impossible by doing this, we could add #wpLeaveRedirect { display:none } in MediaWiki:Common.css to hide the "Leave a redirect" button. The English language Wikipedia has done similar to hide the delete button on their Main Page. --The Evil IP address (talk) 12:40, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
  • A bit hackish, but not a bad idea. –Tryphon^☂ 12:55, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
    • Disagree, Admins should be able to decide if a redirect is necessary or not. In cases of rename short after upload a redirect is unwanted. Also the log tells you, if a redirect was surpressed or not (example), logging this is enough. --Martin H. (talk) 14:48, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
      • Agree with Martin on this one. Please don't obstruct people from doing things they are allowed to do. If some admins are abusing their tools, talk to those, but don't nag the rest of the crew. Regards, -- ChrisiPK (Talk|Contribs) 18:11, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
        • I don't think that the "suppress redirect" option should be disabled, as there is probably some instances where it might be good to use (like when the file is recently uploaded and is being renamed), and I agree that it's a bit hackerish to disable it with that method (which we should avoid if possible). :-) I don't agree with some people above who have stated that the log for the page should be enough for outsiders who come. People will be led by a URL (honest reusers who have provided a link or given the filename of the file they are reusing) to a page that has no file content, and most won't research much further than that. I believe we should make it easier for people, rather than harder. Don't we want our files to be viewed more? And like it is said on en.wiki, "redirects are cheap". That is, they don't use much disk space or bandwith and for our purposes they would provide much more benefit than deleting them. Killiondude (talk) 21:52, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
• I agree with Killiondude above. PeterSymonds (talk) 21:58, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

• Same here. I can't see any real reason not to leave a redirect, unless it's vandalism or something. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 23:44, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Usage statistics consistency?

Just a quick note on a related topic: So far, redirects were deprecated because they broke CheckUsage and made it impossible to determine which pages actually use a file (as some just use the redirect and those don't show up on CheckUsage). Does anybody know whether the GlobalUsage extension, which has been enabled, can handle redirects correctly? Regards, -- ChrisiPK (Talk|Contribs) 23:41, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Multiple accounts ?

Both uploaders stores same files user1 user2, could someone check--Motopark (talk) 14:58, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

I think Commons:Requests for checkuser is better place for this request. --EugeneZelenko (talk) 15:45, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Template:Rename broken

Please fix it:

{{rename}} creates (by calling {{rename needs target}}): <<nothing>>

78.55.96.90 06:49, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

You need to suggest a new filename, "new name.ext", as shown in the example.

{{rename|new name.ext|(optionally plus a reason)}} Walter Siegmund (talk) 16:29, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

That's not the point. {{rename}} (without a new filename) should create (by calling {{rename needs target}}) a yellow message box like this. But it creates nothing (see 3rd (missing) example).

78.55.105.162 19:23, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

I fixed it. The parameter was checked for emptyness in a context where we already knew that the parameter was non-empty. --Slomox (talk) 22:22, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Master image probably not free with multiple derivatives

We have File:Dreamliner Center model 787.jpg showing a model of a 787. According to the Flickr page from which this image is sourced, it appears the image was taken in Seattle (tagged with Seattle). This is a 3D work of art. Within the United States, there is no freedom of panorama. Copyright holders of 3D works of art US Copyright Act of 1976, § 106(2) hold copyright of the original and have exclusive right to authorize derivative works.

Further, this image was used as the basis for the following images:

• File:Dreamliner model in flight.jpg
• File:Dreamliner rendering BA 787.jpg
• File:Dreamliner model 787-9 in flight.jpg
• File:Dreamliner rendering ANA 787.jpg
• File:Dreamliner rendering JAL 787.jpg
• File:Dreamliner rendering ANZ 787.jpg
• File:Dreamliner rendering AC 787.jpg
• File:Dreamliner rendering QF 787.jpg

making all of this derivatives copyright violations as well. Input welcome. --Hammersoft (talk) 18:29, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Is this a "work of art"?. The outer shape of the plane probably is registered as design patent but I doubt it is copyrighted, as there is no creative "originality". Design patents are non-copyright restrictions and therefore not recognized here on Commons. The photographs in the background might be an issue, but could be discarded as "de minimis". Finally: I don't see why you even mention FOP, as this image was taken indoors, probably on a trade fair or presentation. --h-stt !? 09:18, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

• I think it's pretty blatant that it is a work of art. We consider images of toys to be derivatives of works of art. How is this different? This is a (Boeing) artist's interpretation of how the plane would look in flight. How is it not a work of art? The patent you mention isn't for the model. The patent is for the plane itself, which this is not. This is artwork. --Hammersoft (talk) 15:06, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

I agree. There's definitely creative decision-making going into the creation of these images: light modelling, choice of angle, livery design, background etc. —LX (talk, contribs) 16:05, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

• I'm not referring to the photograph as an artwork, but artist's model of the plane. The photographic creativity has been released under a free license. The plane as artwork has not, making this image, within the United States, unfree and its derivatives as listed above unfree as well. --Hammersoft (talk) 20:57, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Ah, I see. It seems I missed the origin of the file. Indeed, scale models are often considered to be copyrightable, as their creation may require creative decision-making with regards to, for example, the level of detail and abstraction. —LX (talk, contribs) 21:57, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

COM:DBR

Hello administrators. I just wanted to drop a note stating that MZMcBride was kind enough to run a few database reports for Commons, and created the page at COM:DBR. It is similar to enwiki's version except that, as you can tell, not all of the reports are done and they are not automated like enwiki's. I don't know if MZ plans to run the other reports or how often they will be updated, but I think it is very kind of him to do what he's done thus far. I'm leaving this note here, because most of the work that could be done by reviewing these reports would require the admin bit (deleting pages, etc.) but feel free to "spam" the word around about the database reports. Killiondude (talk) 06:56, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, these pages sound very interesting. I might clean them up a bit in the next days, unless someone else does it first or I forget to do so. --The Evil IP address (talk) 15:22, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Possibly spam? need eyes

• http://homemade-atlas.org

Accounts

• Special:Contributions/Ionut_Cojocaru

• en:Special:Contributions/Ionut_Cojocaru

• Special:Contributions/Ubitubi

• en:Special:Contributions/Ubitubi

• ro:Special:Contributions/Ubitubi
• en:Special:Contributions/84.232.153.161

Was caught link-spamming on en.wikipedia, but it appears this user is possibly Image-spamming. Not sure if these images are appropriate or not, perhaps someone can review? see user Special:Contributions/Ionut_Cojocaru--Hu12 (talk) 14:44, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Could you at least spell out what exactly you see as a problem? Offhand, Ionut Cojocaru seems to be uploading potentially useful images (though they'd be a lot more useful if they also cited the sources for their data). What exactly do you think makes these possible spam (not saying they're not, but prima facie they look like reasonable uploads). Is the issue the category? Anyone can recategorize, and if you think the category is outright inappropriate, you can use {{Cfd}} to start a discussion. - Jmabel ! talk 05:22, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Derivative drawings by User:Rama

See gallery of images by Rama and discussion at en:wikipedia. At least three of the images are copies of photos, i.e. derivative and copyvios, and doubtless more, if not all. Ty 01:29, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

So what stops you from making a DR on the specific images, unless you suggest (with a logical fallacy?) that all images of Rama are copyright violations? Esby (talk) 10:24, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Until recently, the gallery was entitled Paintings inspired by historical photographs. Since the source photograph is never credited, there is no way of knowing if it's in the public domain or not; hence all drawings in this gallery are suspect of being copyright violations. –Tryphon^☂ 10:35, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

The first drawings, until Colonel Dimitri Amilakhvari, are made from unique photographic sources as documentation. I have already expressed my position regarding these -- some people gave me assurances that these images were acceptable, others have emitted doubt, and I refrain from taking position on the issue. Since I have drawn these things myself I am intrinsically in no position to judge them, and I will accept any remark or decision.

The next images, from Simon Mann to the end, were created later and are all made from several photographic sources and are not related to any single on in particular, precisely to avoid this particular problem. Rama (talk) 11:12, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Image notes

It occurs to me that while image notes may not be an entirely ludicrous addition to Commons, I have seen 20-30 added by anonymous IPs - and all of them were reverted as vandalism. Typically they just say "Haha look at her tits" or "Is this a cameltoe?" or "nice package on this guy" or something similar. Am I alone in my observation, has anybody ever seen an anonymous user add a useful image note? If it's possible from a software side, I'd almost consider proposing that anyone can edits Commons...but only logged-in users can add image notes. Max Rebo Band (talk) 01:46, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

I'd be entirely with you on this. - Jmabel ! talk 05:11, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

This page gives you a list of image notes recently added by anonymous or new users. Not all of them are vandalism, I'd say about 50% of them are. I oppose disabling this for anons as it is basically the same as editing the description page. Regards, -- ChrisiPK (Talk|Contribs) 11:32, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

I don't know where your 50 % come from. Of the first 10 there is not a single one that should be a note. 70 % are vandalism and the last 30 % are comments that should not be an image note but on the description page. But obviously this feature is meant to canalise vandalism. Please disable it for anons. --Cwbm (commons) (talk) 11:42, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

In other words, disabling it does not affect the ability of serious anons to achieve the same result, but it makes vandalism less convenient. That, to me, seems more like an argument in favor of disabling it. Even if we assume that your 50% estimate is accurate, that still leaves the well-intended but misguided uses, making the actually useful contributions well under half. That's a net negative utility no matter which way you look at it. —LX (talk, contribs) 12:18, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Either we need to disable it or we need a tool that makes sure that no edit stays without at least one experienced user having a look at it. Most files on Commons are on no watchlist and I don't think we have a complete recent changes patrol (or am I wrong?). That means that much vandalism persists cause nobody sees it. We cannot allow that our unwatched pages slowly deteriorate due to vandalism and mislead edits. --Slomox (talk) 13:21, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

As someone who has reverted such kind of edits since this tool's implementation, I support restricting it. I admit that a few image notes are really productive. But unfortunately that's extremely rare. People either misuse them for commenting, as talk page or for blatant vandalism. We even needed to create an own template and a protection reason for when people add inappropriate imagenotes. I'm sorry to say it like this, but I'm fed up with reverting the same all the time. I once had the idea to create an abusefilter which prevents the people only from adding inappropriate imagenotes, but unfortunately the imagenote tool doesn't display abusefilter warnings. Unless some way of displaying abusefilter warnings is added to the imagenote tool, I can only support restricting it. Furthermore, I don't think it's too much for a productive image note adder under the unregistered users (of which only few exist) to create an account and then add the notes. All gadgets, of which quite a lot are extremely useful, and the ability to upload files, which is probably the most important thing here on Commons, and a lot of other things are also restricted to autoconfirmed users. Adding image notes should become one of them as well, unless the tool can be programmed to display abusefilter warnings. --The Evil IP address (talk) 14:07, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

A technical digression: Unfortunately, it is currently not possible to display abuse filter messages to the user. The filter warnings are not identified in any way in the result page after an edit has been submitted. Therefore, the script has no way of detecting that there is in fact such a warning returned. For that to work, one would need to wrap all such warnings in DIVs with unique identifiers. Translations of these messages would also need to be wrapped. Then the script could, in theory, go look for the presence of these DIVs in the result, and display the messages. Moreover, these wrappers should contain meta-information about the filter: the script would need to be able to determine whether the edit was really disallowed (warn, disallow or just disallow), or would be allowed through if re-submitted (warn or warn, tag). But doing this wrapping here by editing the relevant system messages would be a very bad way of doing this; ideally, the AbuseFilter extension would do it automatically (it could construct a unique identifier from the message page name).

Note furthermore that if the edit mechanism should ever be changed to use the edit API, we again would have the same problems, even if we added identifiers to all AbuseFilter warnings. The edit API does not send back a page, it returns an error code. If you do something disallowed by AbuseFilter through the edit API, you'll only get an error code "hookaborted" with the error message "The modification you tried to make was aborted by an extension hook". That's not exactly useful for a user. You don't get back the actual warning message from the AbuseFilter.

Because of this, the script currently just displays a generic error message ("Edit conflict or other problem"). Lupo 21:27, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

As I have said several times, get rid of it, or at least restrict to autoconfirmed. I have never EVER seen a useful note, only ever seen vandalism. -mattbuck (Talk) 16:00, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

While I don't disagree with much of what is said here I would like to think the annotations on my images are useful and informative. Maybe Mattbuck should check them out. --Herby ^{talk thyme} 16:06, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Given the few notes we currently have, they should be fairly easy to monitor. The only disadvantage is that one can't really see which notes have already been checked and/or reverted and which ones not. -- User:Docu at 16:08, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

I agree with The Evil IP address points. I am big fan of notes, but I agree that many notes from IPs are inappropriate. But not all, for example I found this] note from IP very useful, although I move it to file description. But even with this in mind, I support disabling addition of notes for IPs, but would like to allow viewing them by IPs. Can those 2 functions be separated in the current form? I assume that if IP has something important to share (s)he will add it to description or talk page the old-fashion way. --Jarekt (talk) 16:50, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

No problem at all. Viewing and editing can be restricted separately. Can you guys agree on a precise level? Anybody, logged in, autoconfirmed, sysops? Some other combination of user groups? Though I am still surprised that between 100-200 edits per day by IP and newbies are seen as a problem here. In any case I would strongly advise against restricting viewing of notes. That kinda defeats the whole purpose. Another thing to try instead of restricting access would be to make the "add a note" button less prominent by turning it into a simple link. Lupo 18:47, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Auto-confirmed would seem the most useful, it doesn't restrict any good-faith editors - yet frees up 300 anti-vandalism actions a day to be focused on the more troublesome area of mainspace edits which must be examined. While it's easy to say "300 vandalisms, 300 reverts, we catch them all", part of the problem is that it seems to be simply wasted time - when we could prevent the vandalism in the first place. Max Rebo Band (talk) 19:02, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

I'd say viewable by everyone and editable by autoconfirmed. Restricting the view wouldn't really make sense since they're supposed to be viewed mostly by our visitors. Another thing which I didn't mention in my first comment is that, though happening more rarely, IPs remove perfectly fine imagenotes without any clear reason (example). I don't think that notes themselves are bad; they're quite useful, for example for images of groups where they're used to identify the specific persons, and I imagine them to be useful when used in Wikipedia articles, but most IPs aren't able to properly use them. I liked the idea to make them editable by everyone, but I would say the idea simply didn't work in practise. --The Evil IP address (talk) 19:31, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

This user The Evil IP address idea are good--Motopark (talk) 20:01, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

I agree with Evil IP, only autoconfirmed users being able to edit image notes would be the best way to go, I believe. Killiondude (talk) 20:06, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

• Ok, autoconfirmed it is. Non-autoconfirmed users may edit image notes only in their own user space. (For the image note sandboxes...) Lupo 10:51, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Corrupted image transfers

We have a few zero-byte files resulting from some failed bot transfers of images:

• From it-WP:
  • File:Amiata2009Mauro118.jpg
  • File:MEI 2007 023.JPG
  • File:MEI 2007 040.JPG
  • File:Wikimangia2007 042.jpg

• From pl-WP:
  • File:Białasy pow sierpecki cmentarz ewangelicki brischke.jpg — done.

Could some it-WP and pl-WP admins please re-transfer these images? They seem to have been already deleted at their sources. Lupo 09:51, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

I contacted user:Masur about File:Białasy pow sierpecki cmentarz ewangelicki brischke.jpg he transferred the file and is an admin here and on pl.wiki. --Jarekt (talk) 16:29, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

• I re-uploaded the one. I just hope that it is exceptional case and the others are OK. Masur (talk) 17:48, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. I think it's just these few files; at least the "duplicate files" section on the zero-byte files indicates only these. Lupo 18:32, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

I noticed this with a couple transfers. I don't understand why the itwp admin deleted the source files. Doesn't he check? Multichill (talk) 11:27, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

I don't know. But the file history for it:File:MEI 2007 023.JPG indicates that your bot touched the page. Does your bot add a "NowCommons" tag or some such? If so, your bot should check before doing so, and the it-admin probably can be excused for not double-checking... Or did your bot add a "MoveToCommons" tag? I'm a bit confused by the chronology here (bot edit at it-WP at 2009-12-16, 19:29, but upload here at 2009-12-16, 22:53). Lupo 11:58, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Admins should ALWAYS check before they delete anything. If someone adds a speedy delete on your userpage should we delete it? No of course not. Admins should check if image is transfered and if every information is transfered correct before (s)he delete source file. And when they have checked that they could remove the {{BotMoveToCommons}} and delete the file. If admin is not sure then don't delete the file. --MGA73 (talk) 13:36, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Judging from the speed of his deletions I think he used a bot. He should have manually checked these transfers or used a bot which includes a lot of checking (nowcommons.py in the pywikipedia package for example). Multichill (talk) 14:45, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

CfD closure

In order to get this completed, would some close this thread. Almost everybody seems to agree with the initial proposal or be indifferent to it. -- User:Docu at 07:21, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Flood flag

Cross-posting: Commons:Village_pump#Flood_flag.3F. Thanks. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 05:52, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

File:WWFlagsBarnstar.jpg

Can an en.wp admin check what the license was on this image and apply the appropriate tag? Thanks. –Tryphon^☂ 16:29, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Original license was PD. -- Avi (talk) 16:47, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

•  Done -- Avi (talk) 16:49, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
  • Was there any indication regarding the source of the background image (the picture of the Earth)? If not, could you ask the author where he got the image from? Sorry for not asking all at once earlier, but it didn't come to my mind at first that this image is a derivative work. –Tryphon^☂ 16:53, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
• Per original upload log: "Source = File:Large Barnstar.png, File:Flag of the Soviet Union.svg, File:US flag 48 stars.svg, File:Flag of Germany 1933.svg, File:Flag of the United Kingdom.svg, File:The Earth seen from Apollo 17.jpg (all believed to be released into public domain)"
• -- Avi (talk) 16:59, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
  • Added to the description page, thanks. –Tryphon^☂ 08:38, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
• A pleasure, as usual. -- Avi (talk) 15:18, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Umm...Noob trying to make sure I did an edit right...

I recently added a picture & a small paragraph from one website to another. Since I wasn't sure about the picture, I followed the instructions (otrs). Does doing that automatically generate an email, or do I have to send one? The page I edited is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbols_of_Nova_Scotia

I cited info taken from http://www.gov.ns.ca/playground/Tartan.asp

Did I do this right? I've never tried before.

Mel — Preceding unsigned comment added by Snowleopard melody (talk • contribs) 23:36, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

You seem to be discussing an edit by Snowleopard melody (talk · contribs).[22][23] Please review the guidance of COM:L#Checklist. The file in question is "Crown copyright © 2006" according to the line at the bottom of the cited page. It may not remain on Commons without permission. You must ask the specific copyright holder for a work for permission. S/he is the only one who can legally release a work under a specific license (COM:OTRS). Please follow the instructions at Commons:Email templates and ask the copyright holder to fill out the email template and email the result to the address that is provided. Don't upload files before obtaining permission and initiating this process. Other matters: Please end your comments on talk and discussion pages with "~~~~". That adds your username and the date/time to your comment. Please use descriptive filenames (Commons:File naming): "Nova Scotia Tartan.jpg" may be more descriptive than "Tartan.jpg". Finally, COM:VP is a better forum to ask questions of this sort. Thank you for your inquiry, Walter Siegmund (talk) 06:21, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Next step in translations

At Commons talk:Template i18n#Next step in translations I put a proposal about which way we should go with the translation effort here at Commons. Feedback is appreciated. Multichill (talk) 18:00, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Alexia Death (talk · contribs)

Please block Alexia Death (talk · contributions · Move log · block log · uploads · Abuse filter log) block user, vandalism. —LX (talk, contribs) 20:00, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

 Done by User:Adambro, I have deleted vandalized versions --Justass (talk) 20:16, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. —LX (talk, contribs) 20:18, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Justass, I was dealing with the same user on Wikipedia. The block of 3 days could probably be extend to infinite but I'd probably not bother unless the problem continues. Adambro (talk) 20:23, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Monteforti Family Archive and Dini Family Archive

Dear Administrators,

I'd like to solve a licensing problems I have with the pictures I am uploading from the Monteforti Family Archive and the Dini Family Archive. I'm the official and legal heir of all those pictures for testamentary decisions of the 2 last copyright holders of the both families. And no one, in both family, opposed to those decisions. Not only: I have all the permission of the 2 families actual members to scan them and to donate them to Wiki projects. The point is that, for many of the pictures, the author is unknown but not the copyright holder that nowadays it's me. And the author is unknown because the pictures were taken by a member of the family or some kind of relative and all of them are now deceased. I can surely declare it because all the other pictures taken by someone else are precisely noted on the rear and many of them are still copyrighted (and I didn't upload them naturally). Unfortunately I didn't find any better, in describing and licensing, as that: File:Unknown_Montefortis'_relative_at_Follonica_on_1947.jpg. Obviously there is something wrong in the description or in the license I use if someone as deduced that the picture, so as many of all the other pictures, is a copyright infringement. How can I solve the problem (I have many other pictures to upload) in order to do the right procedure and to save time to patrolling users and to you? Thank you very much for your attention.--Giorgiomonteforti (talk) 12:05, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Try PD-heirs as your license maybe? -- Deadstar (msg) 15:44, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

On break

I've been inactive since September; I haven't left a message because I didn't expect an extended period of inactivity. I'm still very busy in real life, and I've realised that I'm risking losing the tools per policy (and it's just good practice to note very extended absences, too.) I'm not fully sure when I'm going to be back -- I'm thinking March/April, but if I'm still going to be inactive past then, I guess I'll leave another note. Maxim_(talk) 15:33, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Template issue

So I was editing something under my IP, as I didn't log in, when I clicked submit and a template stating this came up: "This action has been automatically identified as harmful and has been disabled. You may press "Save" again if you beliebe your edit to be constructive. Furthermore, in case of a wrong warning, please report this error here. In case you aren't sure if your edit is constructive, it's best to ask for help, either on the talk page or on the help desk." Apparently no one bothered to use spell check, as "believe" is spelled wrong. I would search for this, but I am not that good at searching here, so I'll leave it to the experts. Thanks a lot to whoever can fix this. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 01:33, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

MediaWiki:Abusefilter-warning has been edited accordingly. Thanks for pointing it out.

If the action in question seems like it was constructive, please outline it under False Positives at Commons:Abuse filter. Stifle (talk) 15:49, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Actually I was adding a deletion template to an image. No big deal though. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 16:30, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Proceding on a particular deletion request

At Commons:Deletion requests/File:Shek Pai wan Est.jpg there is a suggestion to follow up with zh-wiki about possible lost sourcing information rather than delete. I have no problem with that, but when this sort of thing comes up, who takes it on? The comment has been sitting there for 10 weeks with no further action. - Jmabel ! talk 02:07, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Basically anyone who sees this request and has the neccessary permissions to view deleted files on zh-wiki. Check the list of admins on Commons, maybe we have some who are also zh-wiki admins. Other than that, there are not pre-defined procedures for such cases, at least none that I know of. Regards, -- ChrisiPK (Talk|Contribs) 03:12, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

 Comment: Commons:List of administrators by adminship status in other Wikimedia projects is quite useful for these kind of deletion requests. --The Evil IP address (talk) 09:35, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

The user who transfered this file, transfered hundreds of files and left them in a similar state, see this list. The user doesn't seem to care about the mess. Multichill (talk) 10:29, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Grammar error on the upload form

Special:Upload includes the following text — "Consider adding location data to your image, see Commons:Geocoding for more information." A comma is incorrect grammar (see en:Comma splice); could this be changed to a period or semicolon? Nyttend (talk) 03:21, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

 Done, see diff. Thanks, –blurpeace ^(talk) 09:18, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Upload protection

Is gone? –Juliancolton | ^Talk 04:01, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

You mean? Seems like the script preventing upload without any information is not active at the moment, maybe that? --Martin H. (talk) 06:56, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

AFAIK, there were some errors in it, which is why it's now disabled until fixed. Probably better to have it disabled than if someone uploads a porn image over the Commons/Wiki(m|p)edia/... logo. --The Evil IP address (talk) 17:37, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

I guess you're talking about the possibility to protect a file against upload, just like we can protect a file against editing and moving. Ok, found the bug. It's disabled at the moment so if you used it somewhere, you might want to add full protection. Multichill (talk) 18:06, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

I ran a toolserver script to reprotect all the remaining files that had upload protection but not edit protection set. There were a total of 43 of them, you can see the list in my protection log. (A curious observation: when protecting a page via the API, the log only shows the changed protection type, not any other protections the page might've had already.) —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 01:45, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

Deletion of older versions request

Dear administrators,

I have had great difficulty uploading a new version of file onto "File:Belgian Congo Coat of arms.gif", and ended up creating a duplicate "File:Belgian congo coa.gif" with the new version on it. Therefore could some editor (1) ensure the new version, as appeared on "File:Belgian congo coa.gif", appears on "File:Belgian Congo Coat of arms.gif"; then (2) delete the duplicate "File:Belgian congo coa.gif"; finally and most importantly, (3) to remove the whole backlog of unsuccessful "older versions" from "File:Belgian Congo Coat of arms.gif" - I understand only adminstrators can do the last bit, and only under exceptional circumstances - but given the "older versions" are just duplicates of each other, I do request the "older versions" to be removed from "File:Belgian Congo Coat of arms.gif" as a matter of urgency. I will be profoundly grateful if these can be done. Thank you. Milesli 11:00, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Seems the work has been done by Zscout370. --Túrelio (talk) 16:53, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Zach! -- Milesli 22:25, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Page blanking by 75.47.133.94

Does anyone know what this is all about? Should the blanked talk pages be restored? —LX (talk, contribs) 16:27, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

Looking at one or two of them here and maybe this it looks like they should be restored to me. Might be an old puppeteer covering some tracks thinking than no one will notice by now :) --Herby ^{talk thyme} 16:35, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

 Done. However, I wonder how much we are following the hint of the {{Unblock declined}} template that states Administrators: This template should be removed when the block has expired. The block is expired months ago. What is current practice in these cases? --AFBorchert (talk) 16:45, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

Fair point and the history would be there anyway. Maybe the puppet note one(s) are more important to have visible - just in case...:) --Herby ^{talk thyme} 17:13, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

User:Emmanuel.kierzkowski

This user is uploading book covers under dubious licence tags (CC and PD) - I've tagged them for speedy deletion but someone may want to explain things to them, they are not responding to messages here or on Wikipedia. Exxolon (talk) 19:08, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

CommonsDelinker bot

This deletion from the gallery is a bit heavy-handed. 89.164.52.244 22:48, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Press undo, thats two clicks. The bot service will not feel offended and will not complaint. --Martin H. (talk)

File:ISO_639_Icon_en.svg

It seems that the text in File:ISO_639_Icon_en.svg is not aligned properly in the png thumbnails (as in the current version of [24]). The problem is solved in September for other major langages with a change of the font (see File:ISO_639_Icon_de.svg, File:ISO_639_Icon_fr.svg, etc) but the icon for English is protected. --Спас Колев (talk) 16:11, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Do you have the new image? The page can either be unprotected or you could just e-mail it to me and I can upload it for you. -- Avi (talk) 16:28, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Here it is:

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8" standalone="no"?>
<svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="400" height="180">
<path fill="#0000C8" d="M21.394289 0a200 200 0 0 0 0 180L67.712434 180a160 160 0 0 1 0 -180ZM330.228757 0a160 160 0 0 1 0 180L378.605711 180a200 200 0 0 0 0 -180Z" />
<path fill="navy" d="M87.754733 15a135 135 0 0 0 0 150L119.532615 165a119 119 0 0 1 0 -150ZM280.467385 15a110 110 0 0 1 0 150L312.245267 165a135 135 0 0 0 0 -150Z" />
<text x="200" y="141" font-size="150" fill="navy" font-family="Nimbus Sans L" font-weight="bold" text-anchor="middle">en</text>
</svg>

The only difference is the font family ("Nimbus Sans L" i.o. "Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"). --Спас Колев (talk) 17:05, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

 Done Is that better? (I didn't use Inkscape, I just saved it in a text editor). -- Avi (talk) 17:18, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Non-admin closing deletion request

A non-admin, User:ZooFari (whose RFA failed), has closed Commons:Deletion requests/File:Charmed-dia-w.png as kept.

• First, Commons:Deletion requests state that DRs are to be closed by admins.
• Second, ZooFari closed the DR without any explanations. This is worrying because it seems like he counted only votes, ignoring the evidence on the copyright status of the image concerned, particularly the email from BHL's patent attorney.

Could an administrator look into this? Thank you. Jappalang (talk) 01:37, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

• I don't think I'll have time now to go through the entire thing, but this does not look good. The e-mail is self-contradictory, and at OTRS we would have immediately asked for clarification. The BNL license clearly forbids commercial use, which is big red flag as well. The relationship between BNL and DOE is not clear, so the BNL cannot be assumed to be a unit of the US Federal govt. I'd lean to deleting this and waiting for confirmation of any special dispensation of the non-com restriction for this image. -- Avi (talk) 01:56, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

I agree with Avi, the statements provide don't appear to be compatible with our concept of "free" licensing both in forbidding alteration and even going so far as to state that they can only be used in government works. Shell ^babelfish 04:43, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

A non admin needs to explain a keep very well, and the keep needs to be really obvious. If ZooFari didn't explain this in great detail and if at least some folk think it wasn't a keep, undo it and ask for an admin previously uninvolved to evaluate it. Looks like Avi maybe is going to do that. Then warn ZooFari not to do that again. (but kindly, assuming ZF was trying to be helpful) ++Lar: t/c 02:40, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

So sorry for any trouble I caused. I didn't recall an explanation requirement by non-admin closure. I just noticed User:DRBot/non-admin which I can use as a guide for future DRs that I close. Again, I apologize. ZooFari 02:51, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Actually the same thing happened at Commons:Deletion requests/File:August Fick.jpg. That seems to be a bit less controversial as it contains only keep votes, but it still makes the assumption that pictures created before 1890 are automatically PD and last thing I know is that we couldn't agree on a specific date for that. I tend to be rather strict with such old images, so I would have deleted this, but would appreciate input from you guys here. Thanks and regards, -- ChrisiPK (Talk|Contribs) 03:46, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

•  Done I have deleted the image. I hope the uploader gets the BNL to contact OTRS, as if the BNL is willing to waive its non-commercial use clause, that would be a nice addition to the commons. -- Avi (talk) 15:30, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Schwarzes Viereck in hochgeladener svg - Datei

Hallo,

ich benötige Hilfe. Ich habe die Datei "File:Red de Cercania Barcelona.svg" hochgeladen. Dabei ist in der Mitte ein schwarzes Rechteck sichtbar. Bei der von mir erstellten Datei ist dieses nicht sichtbar. Auch wenn ich die Datei von Wikimedia Commons auf meinen Rechner herunterlade ist kein schwarzes Rechteck vorhanden. Auch habe ich bereits die einzelnen Elemente in eine neue Datei kopiert und erneut hochgeladen, das Ergebnis bleibt das Selbe. Weiter bitte ich darum, die alten Versionen der Datei zu löschen. Mit freundlichen Grüßen de:Wela49 (talk)Wela

Tryphon scheint es gelungen zu sein, das Rechteck zu entfernen. Die alten Versionen wurden  gelöscht. --The Evil IP address (talk) 10:48, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Move a photo?

Hi, could an administrator please move File:Jimy Williams.jpg to File:Jimy Williams crop.jpg?

(There are two reasons this is important: (1) There is a separate file named File:Jimy Williams.JPG, which is confusing; and also, en:wp has a file named File:Jimy Williams.jpg, which makes it impossible to import this file.)

Sorry for my role in creating this confusion -- appreciate any help sorting it out!

-Pete F (talk) 18:06, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

•  Done -- Avi (talk) 18:05, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Wow that was quick, thanks! (also, I signed with the wrong acct before..fixed now.) -Pete F (talk) 18:06, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

My pleasure -- Avi (talk) 18:09, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

You moved it before he requested? !_! Stifle (talk) 09:16, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Pete re-signed after the initial request. Haha. Killiondude (talk) 09:35, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

File:060405 contador.jpg and some other from same uploaders

We will have photos File:060405 contador.jpg and some other from same uploader where source link are dead, and I don't find licence information from web-side http://www.libertyseguroswurth.com/prensa_2.asp?opc=0, can someone check also.--Motopark (talk) 04:07, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

The site http://www.libertyseguroswurth.com appears to show views of the Google News feed. Without information on the actual site which posted the news, there's no way to verify how these images were released. Many of the sites aggregated by Google News are copyrighted. Shell ^babelfish 05:52, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

 Comment: https://web.archive.org/web/20051223093003/http://www.libertyseguroswurth.com/prensa_2.asp?opc=0 (the site cited as permission in the web archive) --Martin H. (talk) 05:57, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

And a note: Even if it is still possible to click the images via webarchive I want to point out that it is not longer allowed to take images from that source. The copyright holder maybe decided to end the service, so using it now is copyright violation (same as a flickr change of licene). That brings me to a  Question: Does the permission include modification and storaging of the images, is the permission perpetual or is it a "you can use it now, but you can not allow others to use this in future" permission? --Martin H. (talk) 06:00, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for finding that, unfortunately even then the release mentions royalty free and commercial use, but nothing about modification. Wouldn't that make it insufficient? Shell ^babelfish 06:07, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Yes, royalty free and commercial use are not enough. We need a true free license. --h-stt !? 08:18, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Comment: Free licenses are irrevocable. If you can prove that a work was released under a free license once, it can be uploaded, even though it is now published under more restrictive conditions. We allow for corrections in case of mistakes and the like, but a simple license change is not binding. Licenses are not contracts! --h-stt !? 08:17, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Sockpuppet of User:Imbris

User:Bugoslav is a sockpuppet of User:Imbris. The user is extremely disruptive to boot (reported a dozen times on WP:AN/I [25]). See enWiki SPI checkuser results here. This may not be the right place(?), but I do hope someone will do something about the fellow as he's managed to push his nonsense by altering flags and images here from the commons. DIREKTOR (talk) 00:06, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

I can only hope that the admin who would look into this contact User:Zscout370 (who blocked Imbris) to inquire whether I have done any disruption on this project. -- Bugoslav (talk) 00:18, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Well, the block reason is that Imbris is a sockpuppet of User:Rainman, Imbris is blocked for block evasion. Sounds like a bliblic story: Bugoslav, who is a sockpuppet of Imbris per en:Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Imbris/Archive, who was blocked as a sockpuppet of User:Rainman who showed disruptive behaviour on Commons. So Bugslav is a block evasion account and from first evidences I agree with DIREKTOR. Of course Zscout370s opinion is appreciated, also im interested if maybe Rainman/Bugoslav improved his attitude on Commons in the meantime? --Martin H. (talk) 01:47, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

I have not encountered Bugoslav on here, but I did have run ins with Rainman and Imbris over various images related to Croatia and the former Yugoslavia. I have not paid much attention to the socking issues at en.wikipedia, so I have no feelings either way for blocking. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return fire)} 06:12, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Host desecration

There is a long discussion about the deletion of the file: Geschändetehostie.jpg here and I think we should keep it, but would like to get a second opinion. thx --Mbdortmund (talk) 02:45, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

• Kept, just a lot of people voting to delete it because they don't like the image. Multichill (talk) 11:41, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
  • Thank you very much, I had the same impression. --Mbdortmund (talk) 12:48, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

It would have been funny, if it was not so sad

Category:Terrorism was added to Category:United States Army and to Category:Central Intelligence Agency The user even provided a source for the new addition (please see edit summary). Ready to take a look at the source? I mean it might be better to sit sown before you do :) here it is--Mbz1 (talk) 02:56, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Funny, but state actors can never be terrorists, under the accepted definition of the word (you can have state-sponsored terrorism, but never state terrorism. See en:State terrorism for why many scholars believe this is so). -Nard the Bard 03:52, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

The absense of a consistent accepted definition is why enwiki removed any categories calling others terrorists. Sceptre (talk) 05:43, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

This looks likes a case of en:WP:POINT. Multichill (talk) 11:30, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Image tag query

Apologies, I cannot find the correct venue for doing this or the correct tag, I am not one for often venturing into commons, but it is rather clear that the image license tag on File:Barzan_ibrahim.jpg is wrong. The image predates the US invasion (it appears on the playing cards), so obviously the source was not the US central command as claimed. I've had no luck identifying the actual source, but I suspect until it is found, we should boot this image down to wikipedia. Narson (talk) 16:13, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

File:The_Eleventh_Doctor_and_Amy_Pond_.jpg

I'm concerned that this free image may not actually be free in itself. My rationale is that an actor in costume as a character is an artistic work in their own right - photographing an actor in character is a derivative work of a copyrighted concept, therefore it's not possible to release the image under a free license without the consent of the copyright holder.

E.g.

I know Matt Smith and Karen Gillan, I dress them in the same costumes as the doctor and his companion and photograph them - even though I created the photograph I doubt I can publish or use the image without landing in hot water with the BBC for obvious reasons.

This needs another look. Exxolon (talk) 22:23, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

It is a photograph taken from a public street, and released under the appropriate free-use license. Cirt (talk) 22:33, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Please don't mix copyright and personality rights. The "taken from a public street"-rationale has nothing to do with the subject possibly being under copyright. Regards, -- ChrisiPK (Talk|Contribs) 22:40, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Please compare with David Caruso waiting.jpg, which is PD despite being a picture of David Caruso "in character" as Horatio Caine. I'm not sure how much they can be compared, but I think that the existence of the Caruso photograph on Commons would probably mean the Smith/Gillan photo would be allowed too. Sceptre (talk) 23:41, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Oh please. A shirt and tie and a police vest are not copyrightable elements. Per Commons:Image casebook#Costumes_and_cosplay purely non copyrightable clothing on a costume does not make a work unfree. Regards, -Nard the Bard 02:17, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Only the complete work; that is, the episode released by the BBC, is the actual work subject to copyright. Set-photos are not part of that copyright, and can be released freely by anyone who took the photo. — Edokter • Talk • 02:26, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

I would agree; this is an entirely valid image. Nothing copyrightable by the BBC here. Stifle (talk) 14:40, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Thank you, Cirt (talk) 14:43, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

File version deletion request

Hi, due to a time conflict during editing we would like the following File revisions of this image to be deleted:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/archive/d/d3/20100102155044%21R%C3%ADa_de_MUROS._Serres%2C_Muros%2C_Galiza.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/archive/d/d3/20100102164557%21R%C3%ADa_de_MUROS._Serres%2C_Muros%2C_Galiza.jpg

as they are complete duplicates. Sorry to bother you here, but I could not find the correct place to request version deletes. Thanks for your help, --Mirko Junge (talk) 18:10, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

It's not really needed. It won't save disk space, and I don't think it's a big issue to have a longer file history. Do you have a particular reason for wanting those old revisions deleted? –Tryphon^☂ 18:42, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Nope, the guy with who I had the concurrency problem with was very annoyed that the problem occured in the first place and secondly that there was an image with the photographers name in it. I don't mind at all. Thanks for your help, --Mirko Junge (talk) 15:18, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

File:Istanbul_084.jpg

This image has just been removed from the relevant article on Wikipedia on WP:BLP grounds. It's probably appropriate to delete it as it permits identification of minor children of a controversial figure that could theoretically place them in danger. Exxolon (talk) 04:34, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

• Yes but the photo appears to be taken by someone close to the family and they seem to want it on Wikipedia. I oppose speedy deletion. Not opposed to a regular discussion, I just don't think this image warrants an emergency deletion. See discussion at en:WP:BLPN. -Nard the Bard 04:41, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

The uploader seems to be in contact with the OTRS, if you look at other pictures of him. --Mbdortmund (talk) 12:47, 4 January 2010 (UTC)