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Tried to use my own images for Wikipedia but identified as copyright violation

Thanks a lot for all the timely help regarding my own artwork. Given the complexity involved, I decided to stop here and retract what I asked. Once again, thanks a lot. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bnurs (talk • contribs)

Flags and Coats of arms of Venezuela is free license

Ok, with respect to the coats of arms in Venezuela, I read the 1999 Constitution, the constitution of each state and the Organic Law of Municipal Public Power, all coats of arms and flags are public (that is, free licenses). AbchyZa22 (talk) 21:33, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

@AbchyZa22: Meaning that no one can do a rendition of it and have any copyright on their rendition? Or just meaning the usual situation that the blazon is public domain? Could you indicate the relevant passage in the Constitution? I couldn't quickly spot it. - Jmabel ! talk 22:59, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

@Jmabel: Look, the sources Justia

https://docs.venezuela.justia.com › ...PDF

Ley de Bandera Nacional, Himno Nacional y Escudo de Armas de la ...

https://docs.venezuela.justia.com › ...PDF

Ley de Bandera Nacional, Himno Nacional y Escudo de Armas de la ... AbchyZa22 (talk) 07:34, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

@Jmabel: Organization of American States

https://www.oas.org › dil › espPDF

CONSTITUCION DE LA REPUBLICA BOLIVARIANA DE ... AbchyZa22 (talk) 07:40, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

• @AbchyZa22: First 2 links just give me "access denied". Third does not contain anything obviously on point. There are plenty of places where the Venezuelan constitution is available online. What I'm asking for is the relevant passage(s); I did not see anything to this effect on a quick skim. - Jmabel ! talk 23:17, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

  @Jmabel: Hello, I spoke with the @NoonIcarus: (he is also a member of Wikimedia Commons) about the topic, the flags and coats of arms in Venezuela are Public (that is, free license) and he told me:Hi. That is correct, national symbols are public domain according to Venezuelan law, which is contemplated in the specific Commons template (commons:Template:PD-VenezuelaGov/es). I think I remember a specific article in which the flag and the shield were specifically mentioned, as long as they were not the object of disrespect, but I can't find it at the moment

  AbchyZa22 (talk) 09:56, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

  • As I've said before: (1) can you please cite the relevant passages in the constitutions and/or law? (2) In any case, for a flag or coat of arms anywhere, there are usually two separate issues: the blazon (the official description of the flag or coat of arms) and the actual rendering (someone's particular rendition of that, if it rises above the usual threshold of originality for copyright). There are few (if any) countries where the former is a copyright issue; the issue is almost always the latter. - Jmabel ! talk 15:38, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

    @Jmabel: Hi sorry, one blazon is a different with have a copyright, 2 the National Flag Law, National Anthem and Coat of Arms of the Republic Bolivarian of Venezuela in Article 1:The National Flag, the National Anthem and the Coat of Arms of the Republic Bolivarian of Venezuela are the symbols of the Homeland and must be venerated by all Venezuelans, and respected by the citizens of the other countries.(this write is a Spanish with country),but all Flags and Coats of arms (states, Municipalities) in Venezuela are the symbols in free-licensed (public), is a recommended the "PD-VenezuelaGov" all flags and Coats of arms are Public Domain.

    AbchyZa22 (talk) 18:40, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

    • @AbchyZa22: that doesn't make a lot of sense. I know I asked you before to use English on this page because you said on your user page that you were a native English speaker, but from what you wrote here it is pretty clear that you are not. Could you try saying that in Spanish? And you really might change that Babel box on your user page. - 18:44, 18 October 2023 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jmabel (talk • contribs)

      @Jmabel: Hola lo siento,ya arregle mi perfil soy nativo en español, OK te respondo, un blasón es diferente con derechos de autor,segundo: la Ley de la Bandera Nacional, Himno Nacional y Escudo de la República Bolivariana de Venezuela en el Artículo 1: La Bandera Nacional, el Himno Nacional y el Escudo de la República Bolivarianos de Venezuela son los símbolos de la Patria y deben ser venerados por todos los venezolanos, y respetados por los ciudadanos de los demás países, pero todas las Banderas y Escudos (estados, Municipios de Venezuela eran 23 estados y 335 Municipios de Venezuela) en Venezuela son los símbolos en licencia libre (públicos), es recomendado por el "PD-VenezuelaGov" todas las banderas y escudos son de dominio público.

      AbchyZa22 (talk) 07:56, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

      • @AbchyZa22 Me parece que no entiendes mi punto. Trato otra vez, en español. Por lo que me has mostrado no queda duda de que los diseños/blasones de las banderas, escudos, etc. de Venezuela son de dominio público. La pregunta queda: ¿eso significa que si (por ejemplo) hago mi propia interpretación de un escudo de armas venezolano, eso necesariamente es de dominio público en Venezuela, o la interpretación puede llevar derechos de autor? La verdad es que no tengo ni idea. Ninguna de las respuestas me sorprendería en lo más mínimo. - Jmabel ! talk 18:26, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

        @Jmabel: Por ejemplo si tu haces un Escudo de Armas (ej:Escudo de Armas del Municipio Cruz Paredes del Estado Barinas, Venezuela) de manera oficial eso esta permitido por que son de licencia libres según la ley venezolana, pero es recomendable agregar el "PD-VenezuelaGov" por que las Banderas y Escudos de Armas son de Dominio Público (Public Domain)

        AbchyZa22 (talk) 18:37, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

        • @AbchyZa22 Estoy de acuerdo. ¿Estarías de acuerdo en que lo que sabemos es que si hace su propia interpretación de un escudo de armas venezolano, Commons puede aceptarlo ({{PD-VenezuelaGov}} + su propia licencia para su trabajo), pero es probable qu no pueda cargar una interpretación hecho por otra persona faltando una licensia del creador? - Jmabel ! talk 19:19, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

          @Jmabel: Si, esta permitido, pero si tú descargas un Escudo de Armas en Venezuela de manera oficial inspirados por otros también está permitido pero debe agregar el "PD-VenezuelaGov" por que son de Dominio Público.

          AbchyZa22 (talk) 09:26, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

@Jmabel: Kind regards. I will continue this in English for other editors, if that's alright. First, I wanted to know if you believe the issue has been solved. As far as I understand, one of the restrictions on the use of the flag, coat of arms and other national symbols is that they must not be degraded or subjected to ridicule, if I'm not mistaken. I could have sworn reading that years ago, but I'm not able to find it. You can also use Template:Translation for previous and for future comments, if you wish. Please let me know if I can help further with the issue. Best wishes, --NoonIcarus (talk) 10:33, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Summarizing for those who do not speak Spanish

The copyright laws cited at {{PD-VenezuelaGov}} make it clear that Venezuelan flags, coats of arms, etc., are in the public domain (although there are certain non-copyright restrictions about using symbols respectfully, etc.). AbchyZa22 disagree as to just how broadly this works, but we both agree that anyone can make their own rendering of these emblems and upload them to Commons. In his interpretation, if I understand correctly, any rendering of the flag or emblem is simply in the public domain in Venezuela, and {{PD-VenezuelaGov}} is the only tag needed. I think it is possible that he is right, but I also think it is possible that (much as with coats of arms in many European countries) that an individual rendering of a Venezuelan flag or coat of arms (if above the threshold of originality) might be able to carry copyright, and might need an additional license from the person who rendered it.

In particular, beyond the matter of what tags to use, under his interpretation you could upload any third-party rendering of such a flag or coat of arms, and simply tag it as {{PD-VenezuelaGov}}. Under my understanding, for anything above the threshold of originality, the person who rendered the image would have to offer a license as well.

Please do not further add to this section, unless AbchyZa22 wants to add if he thinks I mischaracterized his view. - Jmabel ! talk 18:55, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Further discussion

I know we've ended up here on the talk page with a discussion that might better have been on Commons:Village pump/Copyright, but here we are. Pinging @Clindberg whose thoughts I'd really like to hear, and please feel more than free to ping anyone else who is likely to bring expertise. - Jmabel ! talk 18:55, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Logos en Venezuela son Públicos (Licencias libres)

Buenas, según la ley venezolana los logos (Gobierno de Venezuela, Ministerios, Institutos Autónomos, Gobernaciones, Alcaldías, Concejos Municipales, Consejo Legislativos, Empresas estatales, Partidos políticos,Aeropuertos, Aerolineas,Empresas de Telecomunicaciones, Tarjetas electorales, elecciones,Poderes publicos,etc.) son Públicos (Licencias libres) pero con el Dominio público pero es recomendable agregar el "PD-VenezuelaGov". AbchyZa22 (talk) 00:50, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Buenas, @AbchyZa22: . Tenía pendiente comentar que no estoy seguro que el dominio público se extienda a entidades locales o a compañías (incluso si son estatales) debido a que, según recuerdo, el dominio público se extiende es a los símbolos patrios nacionales, no necesariamente a aquellos locales, y en el caso de logos o emblemas de compañías su umbral de originalidad/creatividad es mayor. En cualquier caso, no estoy seguro y haría falta consultarlo más a fondo. Saludos,--NoonIcarus (talk) 10:44, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Good day, @AbchyZa22: . I was meaning to comment that I am not sure that the public domain extends to local entities or companies (even if they are state-owned) because, as I recall, the public domain extends is to national patriotic symbols, not necessarily tolocal ones, and in the case of company logos or emblems their threshold of originality/creativity is higher. In any case, I am not sure and it would needed to be consulted further. Regards,

translator: NoonIcarus (talk) 10:44, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Spelling mistake on Wikipedia photo

Please can you suggest what I should do? By mistake I titled the photo Bencleugh incorrectly - it should be spelled Bencleuch - with a C and not a G.

I have the painting in my living room,

Blair Thomson BJTsan (talk) 12:28, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

@BJTsan: Done for this file. For future cases, you can use the method described at Commons:File renaming#How to rename a file. However, you can't claim the authorship and a copyright on the work of someone else. Please edit the description page of the file to indicate the actual author, date, source and status. -- Asclepias (talk) 13:10, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you so much ! ! ! I will do my best to edit the description regarding author, date and source (although this is a painting passed down from father to son for four generations). BJTsan (talk) 01:44, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Clipping an image

Is there a forum/help desk that can advise a technical idiot on clipping an image. I'm needing both "how to" advice, as well as any copyright implications. The image in question is this, [[File:The Old School House on Bagwell Lane (geograph 7253971).jpg]]. What I would like to do is remove that irritating boat on the right-hand side of the image, while losing as little as possible of the main building. I'm less fussed about the structures behind the main building, on the right-hand side. Any advice much appreciated. KJP1 (talk) 09:46, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

You could use the CropTool: https://croptool.toolforge.org/?title=The_Old_School_House_on_Bagwell_Lane_(geograph_7253971).jpg Magnus (talk) 10:42, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Magnus - Fantastic! Thanks hugely. KJP1 (talk) 10:57, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

From/in

Apologies for my ignorance, but what's the difference between "from" and "in" when it comes to categories about, say, paintings? For instance: paintings from Spain and paintings in Spain. Thanks. Alavense (talk) 11:11, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Paintings from Spain were painted in Spain. Paintings in Spain are in Spain today (or were there at the time of taken photo). Regards --Wilhelm Zimmerling PAR (talk) 12:39, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Oh, it makes sense. Thank you for your help, Wilhelm Zimmerling PAR. Kind regards. Alavense (talk) 17:52, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Delete old version of image for privacy reasons

Hi, i've uploaded a pic with visible car license plates. Maybe this is a minor problem, but i would prefer to remove that information. I've already uploaded a newer version with the license plates "removed", but i didn't find a way to remove (only) the initial version of the image. How should i proceed? Fl.schmitt (talk) 13:11, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

• @Fl.schmitt: done. For what it's worth, we have literally hundreds of thousands of images on Commons where license plates are visible, though. - Jmabel ! talk 18:59, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Jacobfloresantos

Hi! I was trying to copy an image of this: Cambodia Customs Flag.png but it got deleted. can you plz help me restore this image? Jacobfloressantos (talk) 17:00, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

• Convenience link File:Cambodia Customs Flag.png. - Jmabel ! talk 18:59, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
  • No file by that name has ever existed on Commons. - Jmabel ! talk 19:00, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
  • OK, it looks like what you did was to paste the text "File:Cambodia Customs Flag.png" into that page. That does nothing. If you want to upload an image, for a beginner I recommend Special:UploadWizard. Do make sure that the image that you intend to upload is either in the public domain or free-licensed and not already on Commons under another name. - Jmabel ! talk 19:04, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

    but how? I tried using view history but it was low resolution. Jacobfloressantos (talk) 21:50, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

    • @Jacobfloressantos: Again: there was never a file uploaded at the name you've indicated. All you did was make a meaningless edit on a previously blank page. If you have such a file, and it is public-domain or free-licensed, you can upload it. Or perhaps you meant some other filename than what you wrote, but I have no way to guess that. - Jmabel ! talk 23:47, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

      this was the image: File:Cambodia Customs Flag.png it was deleted so you were wrong. Jacobfloressantos (talk) 00:36, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

      • Weird. Earlier today that was showing only a single edit, yours, that put the text "File:Cambodia Customs Flag.png" there. I wonder what went wrong? Because your link here is identical to the one I created above. - Jmabel ! talk 01:06, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
      • Apparently deleted on the basis that "There is no evidence that points to the use of this flag by the Cambodian Customs Office." Are you saying you believe it was incorrectly deleted (in which case start an undeletion request and state your case) or do you just need a copy for yourself of what was once there? - Jmabel ! talk 01:09, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

        i need a copy of myself and the image. Oh! and I also forget. Coat of arms of Algeria was deleted so it had a new emblem called "Emblem of Algeria" can you plz restore this image too? Jacobfloressantos (talk) 21:41, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

        • @Jacobfloressantos: you don't seem to have an email address associated with this account. Add one and I can arrange to get a copy of the photo to you. As for the "Coat of arms of Algeria" I have no idea what file you are talking about, clearly that is not a filename. - Jmabel ! talk 18:36, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Jacob Flores Santos

Hi! I was trying to copy an image of this: Cambodia Customs Flag.png but it got deleted. can you plz help me restore this image? Jacobfloressantos (talk) 18:31, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

• This appears to be a duplication of the prior section. - Jmabel ! talk 19:02, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

NO HE PODIDO CREAR UN ARTÍCULO

Hola, hemos tratado de crear la página principal del Congresista, pero no ha sido posible. Juan Pablo Salazar Rivera (talk) 18:33, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Eso es Wikimedia Commons. No tenemos artículos. Quizás buscas la wikipedia in español. - Jmabel ! talk 19:08, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Do I have a problem with the signature format?

Hi all, I have noticed that in my last few deletion requests my signature doesn't seem right and the notification of the deletion request at the user talk page doesn't really look like others before mines. See the an example here. Let's see how the signature is working here.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 05:41, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Ok here the signature works fine but at the user talk page not.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 05:46, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Maybe too many uses of the Template:Autotranslate on that user page and the signature just happens to get caught in that problem on that page. -- Asclepias (talk) 13:30, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, then it doesn't seem to be my problem. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 16:09, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

@Paradise Chronicle: Right, I wrote to the user about this at User talk:FrDr#‎User talk page length.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me}🇺🇦 08:50, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Wikilovesmonuments

Today you sent me an invitation to the photo contest, I was following your guidelines, but I can't find the Philippines (where I am at the moment) listed. Elsewhere, participation is listed for 2023. Can you explain this to me, please? Thanks in advance! Ingo Verwackeltnochmal (talk) 09:48, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Du hast wohl noch ein anderes Benutzerkonto? Suchst du Commons:Wiki Loves Monuments 2023 in the Philippines? --Achim55 (talk) 10:25, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Kann sein. Ja, ich glaube ich hab mal eins eingerichtet vor Jahren. Jedenfalls war das ein Blattschuß, Volltreffer, danke! Verwackeltnochmal (talk) 11:00, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

InstantCommons problem

Hello. I am operating the wiki InkluPedia at https://inklupedia.de/ based on MediaWiki 1.39.1, PHP 8.0.30 and Debian (root server). Since yesterday InstantCommons is no longer working most of the time. After detecting the problem it was working for some minutes hours later, but after that the problem reoccured. There was no technical change in my platform. Only some hundred users are currently using this wiki daily, so I do no suspect mass usage of InstantCommons and a throttling of my wiki in Commons. Is this a known problem? Are other wikis affected too? Is there a MediaWiki log that I can check? --InkluPedia (talk) 14:38, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

E.g. this picture [1] is from Commons. At the moment there is no more problem. Even after a purge of affected articles/pictures. I did not change anything. --InkluPedia (talk) 17:25, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

File:On a Sailboat - Albert Gleizes, 1916 (New Orleans Mus of Art 2007.22).jpg

I accidentally uploaded this file a couple of months before I should have. The artist died in 1953, so it will be clear of copyright in January of 2024. Could someone temporarily delete it and restore it after the first of the year? (All of the files in the Wikipedia category Paintings by Albert Gleizes will also be able to be moved to the Commons after that date.) Thanks, Crawdad Blues (talk) 17:49, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Can I publish cited work?

Can I publish cited work? Crystal S. Brown (talk) 04:35, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

@Crystal S. Brown: Please see Commons talk:Abuse filter#Report by Crystal S. Brown.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me}🇺🇦 08:23, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

foto young birds

Beste, ik heb de foto young birds opgeladen op de pagina van radio gemini maar zie hem niet verschijnen. Hoe komt het ? merci thierry missiaen Thierry Missiaen (talk) 08:56, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

photo young birds

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Dear, I have uploaded the photo young birds to the radio Gemini page, but I do not see it appear. How come ? thanks thierry missiaen

translator: Google Translate via   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me}🇺🇦 16:37, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

@Thierry Missiaen: Hallo, en welkom. File:Webradio Gemini.png is verwijderd omdat het auteursrechtelijk beschermde tekst bevatte. File:Gemini advertentie.jpg is verwijderd per Commons:Deletion requests/File:Gemini advertentie.jpg. Besteed meer aandacht aan de berichten op uw gebruikersoverlegpagina.

Hi, and welcome. File:Webradio Gemini.png was deleted because it contained copyrighted text. File:Gemini advertentie.jpg was deleted per Commons:Deletion requests/File:Gemini advertentie.jpg. Please pay more attention to the posts on your user talk page.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me}🇺🇦 16:37, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

@Jeff G. and Thierry Missiaen: I believe those weren't the photos in question. Thierry Missiaen has asked this elsewhere and I've answered elsewhere. Of course, things would be simpler if people didn't ask exactly the same question at almost the same time on multiple pages. - Jmabel ! talk 18:39, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Uploading a newspaper article

I went to the Schwenkfelder Library & Heritage Center and found a newspaper article from 1905 in the Town and Country newspaper (Pennsburg, PA) on microfiche. They sent me a PDF of the newspaper article and I have cited it in the Wikipedia article for the Red Hill Band. I know that images taken before 1927 are generally public domain, but does the same thing apply to articles published in newspapers? If I'm able to upload this can I link to the Wikimedia Commons image in the citation on Wikipedia (or is that a question for the Wikipedia HD)? Also, what file type should I use when uploading it (I assume PDF probably isn't acceptable)? TipsyElephant (talk) 13:38, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

I also have the 1909 bylaws for the band. I'm assuming that those are probably public domain. TipsyElephant (talk) 13:41, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Yes, anything published that is not a sound recording before 1928 (1927 has been public domain since this year) is public domain in the United States. Abzeronow (talk) 15:46, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

PDF is acceptable, JPEG is better for this, and I assume you know that you can cite an article without it necessarily having to be available online. - Jmabel ! talk 18:40, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

@TipsyElephant There are tools to extract the original image file inside the PDF. If you do that and it is PNG, JPEG, TIFF or WEBP you should upload this original file in its original format. Otherwise PNG is probably the best. If it is mostly a photograph with only some text JPEG may be better than PNG. If the PDF actually contains more than one page, it would be good to upload the PDF. C.Suthorn (@[email protected] - p7.ee/p) (talk) 08:48, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Error: Cite error: Invalid <ref> tag; refs with no name must have content

Hello,

I successfully uploaded a page, but only able to add one photo. How does one add more than one image to his post. Also might you explain to get rid of this error? Erobertlee53 (talk) 03:25, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

@Erobertlee53: Hi, and welcome. There is nothing in your ref tag, and no in-scope content in your user page. Removing the page will solve both problems.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me}🇺🇦 07:41, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

أرغب إضافة معلومات جديدة في حسابي وصفحتي الخاصة من فضلكم شرح الطريقة

السلام عليكم ورحمة الله .. أرغب في إضافة معلومات جديدة في صفحتي وتحديداً في قائمة الإنجازات والجوائز .. فأرجو إفادتي عن طريقة التعديل في الصفحة وإضافة المعلومات التي أرغب في اضافتها مشكورين حفظكم الله خضر اللحياني (talk) 08:21, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

I would like to add new information to my account and my private page. Please explain the method

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May God’s peace and mercy be upon you.. I would like to add new information to my page, specifically to the list of achievements and awards.. Please advise me on how to edit the page and add the information I would like to add. Thank you. God bless you

translator: Google Translate via   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me}🇺🇦 08:40, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

@خضر اللحياني: أهلا ومرحبا بكم. يمكنك تعديل User:خضر اللحياني و نقاش المستخدم:خضر اللحياني. لا يجب عليك تعديل ar:خضر_اللحياني لكل ar:ويكيبيديا:تعارض_المصالح.

Hi, and welcome. You may edit User:خضر اللحياني and User talk:خضر اللحياني. You should not edit ar:خضر_اللحياني per en:WP:COI.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me}🇺🇦 08:40, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Restaurar el file

Buenas, necesito que un administrador restaure el File:Aserca airlines (Venezuela) 225.jpg según la ley venezolana los logos en Venezuela son Públicos (Licencias libres). AbchyZa22 (talk) 09:29, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Restore file

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Hello, I need an administrator to restore the File:Aserca airlines (Venezuela) 225.jpg according to Venezuelan law, logos in Venezuela are Public (Free Licenses).

translator: Google Translate via   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me}🇺🇦 13:22, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

@AbchyZa22: Buenas. Publique una nueva sección en COM:UDR.

Hi, and welcome. Please post a new section to COM:UDR.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me}🇺🇦 13:22, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Issue with category

Hi there. I created the Category:1946 in Tolosa, but there must be something wrong, because I cannot find it in any of the categories it belongs to. I would be grateful if somebody could help me. Thanks in advance. Alavense (talk) 12:57, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

@Alavense: Hi, and welcome. I had to null edit that cat in order for it to show up in the other 3 cats - purging didn't help.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me}🇺🇦 13:15, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much, Jeff G.. Alavense (talk) 13:18, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

@Alavense: You're welcome.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me}🇺🇦 13:26, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

VDMA-Logo

Dear Sir or Madam,

It has come to our attention that the logo used by the VDMA is erroneously marked as "in the public domain" on your platform and, due to a lack of originality, is not subject to copyright protection.

We disagree with this statement already against the background of the achieved level of creation of the logo according to § 2 para. 1 No. 4 UrhG and ask you to delete this misleading passage:

"It does not meet the threshold of originality needed for copyright protection, and is therefore in the public domain," (...) File:Logo German Engineering Federation.svg - Wikimedia Commons (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Logo_Verband_Deutscher_Maschinen-_und_Anlagenbau.svg)

By the way, we would like to point out that the logo was uploaded by a third party user: "Transferred from de.wikipedia to Commons by Wdwdbot using script bot_filetrans.pl. The original description page was here. All following user names refer to de.wikipedia. - 2012-03-11 23:10:43 Zaibatsu"

We look forward to your feedback. 62.96.169.10 14:29, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi, I requested deletion on your behalf: Commons:Deletion requests/File:Logo Verband Deutscher Maschinen- und Anlagenbau.svg. Deletion may happen after discussion. You can add more arguments there. Thanks, Yann (talk) 14:38, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi, and welcome. Please explain in that discussion how the file exceeds COM:TOO Germany.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me}🇺🇦 14:40, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Chicago Principles

Do we have an image of the 2020 John Ellison "free speech principles" letter to the incoming University of Chicago freshman class? If not, is there a copyright issue, or can this document be added to Commons (see here and here)? -- Cl3phact0 (talk) 16:49, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

@Cl3phact0: Certainly any non-trivial letter written in the last several decades is copyrighted, with the exception of letters written in a work capacity by the employees of the federal government and certain state and local governments that make their works PD by default. University of Chicago is a private college, so those exceptions could not possibly apply. Do you have any evidence of a free license? - Jmabel ! talk 18:35, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

No evidence whatsoever. It's widely published and a copy is available on the U of C site here, but nothing specifically indicating PD. -- Cl3phact0 (talk) 19:39, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

@Cl3phact0: Then we cannot host it through 2020+95=2115, unless we get valid permission via VRT.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me}🇺🇦 20:48, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Noted and thanks for clarifying. I'm still struggling to grasp the nuances of what's ok and what's not here. Also guessing that a "fair-use" upload directly to enwiki for the relevant section of the Chicago Principles article would be a dead-end too? [NB: I'll make a note in my calendar to upload it in 2115 if we don't get it on Commons via VRT (or some other legitimate process) sooner.] Cheers, Cl3phact0 (talk) 17:20, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

No answer from the 2nd of October, 2023

On the 2nd of October, 2023 I uploaded three photos to commonsː https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:%C3%89ljen_Magyarorsz%C3%A1g_Korm%C3%A1nyz%C3%B3ja_!.jpg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:%C3%89ljen_Magyarorsz%C3%A1g_Korm%C3%A1nyz%C3%B3ja_!_(2).jpg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:%C3%89ljen_Magyarorsz%C3%A1g_Korm%C3%A1nyz%C3%B3ja_!_(3).jpg At the same time the permissions for the three photos were uploaded by the owner of the copyrights. Since then I did not get an answer. Could you help me what's up ? Elekes Andor (talk) 20:37, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

@Elekes Andor: Did you get a ticket number?   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me}🇺🇦 20:46, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Sure. The ticket links are as followsː TicketNumber=2023100710006581 TicketNumber=2023100710006599 TicketNumber=2023100710006606 The links are on the pages. Elekes Andor (talk) 21:16, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

@Elekes Andor: Did you check your spam folder? You forgot to ping me.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me}🇺🇦 23:17, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

@Jeff G.: Nothing in my spam folder. --Elekes Andor (talk) 07:05, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

@Elekes Andor: The files are marked with a permission received template, which means the permission is in a queue, waiting for an available VRT member to process it. The permission was sent to permissions-hu, not permissions-commons. That is ok, but it might restrict the VRT members who can process that mail. The permissions-hu team may be small and the backlog or the reaction time may be long. The permission received template was added less than three weeks ago. There have been worse backlogs. Maybe you can ask a Hungarian-speaking Commons member, Commons:Volunteer Response Team/List of members by language#Hungarian, if they can access your mail. -- Asclepias (talk) 14:54, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

What does it mean "permission-hu" ? What does it mean "permission-commons" ? What does it mean on the pages " If a valid permission is not provided within 30 days of the first response by a VRT agent, this file will be deleted" ? Who is in charge in this question ? First the permission was sent to [email protected], on the 2nd of October, 2023. why should I contact Hungarian speaking Commons members ? --Elekes Andor (talk) 08:18, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

As you say, you sent the mail to permissions-hu, the Wikimedia address specific for permissions in Hungarian language. So, it is assumed that you wrote the mail in Hungarian and that you wanted it to be processed by a Hungarian-speaking VRT member. Your comment seemed to be asking for someone who could speed up the processing of your mail. Hence the suggestion to contact a Hungarian-speaking VRT member on Commons who might be able to access and read your mail and help you directly with that. Now, if you sent to the Hungarian-language VRT team a mail written in a language other than Hungarian, I suppose they can identify the language and transfer it easily to the VRT members in that other language, although that might cause some delay if the mail has to successively reach the top of two lines. The 30 days deletion mention should not trouble you since you already sent the permission, assuming it is valid. The person in charge of your communication will be the VRT member who will read your mail when your mail reaches the top of the line. -- Asclepias (talk) 14:12, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Taxon identifications

I can ID some of these (at least to genus). How should I go about doing so? Should I just add the ID to an image's description? Should I add it somewhere else? Should I have it checked first? How does this usually work? (I'm new to editing the Commons and wary of breaking things somehow, haha.) Thanks for your help! -- Photosynthetic430 ❧ ❧ 21:41, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

@Photosynthetic430: Hi, and welcome. You may certainly recategorize them and adjust their descriptions. You may also submit rename requests using {{Rename}} or our RenameLink gadget, if appropriate.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me}🇺🇦 22:56, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! I'll get right on it. -- Photosynthetic430 ❦ ❧ 15:30, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Oh, one other question: I've already found a photo that's clearly IDed, but to a taxon (Potentilla lozani) that has neither a category in the Commons nor an article in Wikipedia. It's a validly published scientific name, but apparently not a widely accepted one. Should I just make the category? Even if this would be the only thing in it? (I don't know whether it would be -- I'll go looking if making the category is a possibility.) What's the policy on when to make categories for taxa? -- Photosynthetic430 ❦ ❧ 15:42, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

@Photosynthetic430: Yes; for taxa even one image is enough. Also, it does have a Wikipedia article, just not in English. See Potentilla lozanii (Q17249607), which links articles in two languages (and to which you should add your Commons cat once you build it).

Descargar logos con mi cámara

Buenas una pregunta si yo tomo fotos de una institución (con mis derechos de autor) y después descargo a Commons y si descargo un Logo de una institución qué aparece en las afueras de la sede (en el que yo descargue) es necesario agregar el "Derived from" (Derivative versions)?? AbchyZa22 (talk) 22:22, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Download logos with my camera

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Hello, a question if I take photos of an institution (with my copyright) and then download to Commons and if I download a Logo of an institution that appears outside the headquarters (in which I download) is it necessary to add the "Derived from" (Derivative versions)??

translator: Google Translate via   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me}🇺🇦 22:52, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

@AbchyZa22: Buenas. Sí, es necesario. El arquitecto(s) (en el caso del edificio(s) de la institución) y el diseñador del logotipo tienen derechos de autor que deben respetarse. Sin embargo, puede aplicarse FOP. ¿En qué país fotografiaste la institución y el logo?

Hi, and welcome. Yes, it is necessary. The architect(s) (in the case of the institution's building(s)) and the logo designer have copyrights that must be respected. However, FOP may apply. In what country did you photograph the institution and logo?   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me}🇺🇦 22:52, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

@Jeff G.: Tomé la sede (Edificio) de la Alcaldía del Municipio Cruz Paredes del Estado Barinas, Venezuela.

AbchyZa22 (talk) 06:33, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

News image needed for Kenneth Chesebro article

Can I use this image on the Wikipedia page of Kenneth Chesebro? See the image I hope to use here:

https://sethabramson.substack.com/p/the-revelation-that-donald-trump

The caption says: ABOVE: A photograph posted on “X” by the #SeditionHunters, who have worked with the New York Times and are the focal point of a new book by NBC News justice reporter Ryan J. Reilly, Sedition Hunters (Public Affairs, forthcoming October 2023).

I am trying to find a photo of Chesebro at the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021 for his article. Photos are available via news outlets . . .

Here's the Chesebro Wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_Chesebro

Utahredrock (talk) 01:37, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

• Sorry, there is no indication that the photo is free licensed. Commons is for free licensed media only. See COM:License. (You might be able to upload it to en:wikipedia under "fair use"; check there. As Jmabel answered a question about something similar above, "For the English-language Wikipedia, you need to fill out a template that explains how and why this non-free image is being used. en:File:Flag_of_Seattle.svg and en:File:Seattle University seal.svg are good examples to follow.") -- Infrogmation of New Orleans (talk) 01:42, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
  • I don't think en-wiki will take that one: it's a photo of a living person, and there is no reason in principle that someone couldn't take a photo of Chesebro and free-license it.
  • There just might be a photo of him somewhere taken by a federal government photographer, which would be public domain. - Jmabel ! talk 01:51, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Hmmmm. Thanks everyone. Somehow the sedition hunters people found it. I'll keep looking. Utahredrock (talk) 02:45, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Login issue

What the fuck is wrong with Wikimedia Commons, I tried logging in and it stated: There seems to be a problem with your login session; this action has been canceled as a precaution against session hijacking. Please resubmit the form. 197.184.178.33 04:57, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

I suggest to wait a few hours or if that doesn't help, then wait a day or two before you login again. And WTF is not the best approach to issues. Maybe try I have a problem with logging in because... Paradise Chronicle (talk) 07:56, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Try to delete the cookies from wikimedia.org and wikipedia.org. Try to restart the browser. Try to restart the computer. Try a different computer or mobile device. Try a differen internet access (wifi hotspot, office, ...). C.Suthorn (@[email protected] - p7.ee/p) (talk) 08:41, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Crop tool problems

Any idea why the crop tool fails so miserably with File:Hotel Montaña Magica en Huilo Huilo (8168483391).jpg? Seems to squash it and then in the preview it rotates it. Brycehughes (talk) 09:04, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Probably the file content uses some less-than-common technique to indicate it orientation. - Jmabel ! talk 15:21, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Please delete copyrighted image

Hello, could someone please delete this copyrighted image, File:E. A. Jenns, 1923 to 1926.jpg. I assumed it was out of copyright because of the date, although the museum claims copyright. Thank you. Curiocurio (talk) 14:49, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

• convenience link File:E. A. Jenns, 1923 to 1926.jpg. - Jmabel ! talk 15:22, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
• @Curiocurio: Photographer F. G. Goodenough died 2 Jan 1930. The museum can claim whatever it wants to claim, but the image is still in the public domain. I see no reason to delete this, but if you really like I can delete your upload and re-upload it myself so that you can't be held responsible. Would you like me to do that? - Jmabel ! talk 15:26, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

  It's just my landlord got a notice of copyright infringement on his internet bill and I was thinking it might be this image, so that's the reason for the request. If you could delete it and re-upload it that sounds like a good solution. I disagree also with institutions claiming copyright over public domain images. Curiocurio (talk) 15:43, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

IMHO, it's very unlikely that a notice on a bill has anything to do with this image. Anyway, it would be a useless notice if it doesn't tell what it is about. -- Asclepias (talk) 15:55, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

@Curiocurio: Hello, Well, the museum does not claim copyright on the image itself. The descriptive notice states "Terms governing use, reproduction, and publication : Item is in the public domain." However, the museum seems to try to give to itself a sort of indirect copyright on public domain material by claiming that the arrangement of its whole website is a copyrighted collective work, and it tries to make you agree contractually to its claims by saying that your use of its website signifies your consent to be bound by its terms. I guess many Commons users would just wrap the public domain status templates into a PD-scan or PD-Art template. But if you are actually troubled by the claims of that museum, you can nominate the file for deletion. If an uploader sincerely fears a copyright claim from the source and doesn't want to risk to engage responsability, I think the deletion should be accepted, even if to someone else the claim or the fear may seem unfounded. If the claim is unfounded, someone else can upload the image. -- Asclepias (talk) 15:41, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply Asclepias. I've asked Jmabel to delete and re upload the image. Curiocurio (talk) 15:46, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

 Done. @Curiocurio, you may want to check and make sure the current state of the file page is acceptable to you. - Jmabel ! talk 00:13, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

It looks perfect! Thanks Jmabel! Curiocurio (talk) 00:37, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Remove old logo

Please can the old logo for Hereford Cathedral School be removed from WikiMedia. This is no longer used by the school. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/49/Hereford_Cathedral_School_Shield.png Thank you. FozzieBear1348 (talk) 14:56, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

We do not remove old logos from Commons, any more than we remove old photographs. - Jmabel ! talk 15:27, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

This is a copyrighted image owned by the school. You do not own the copyright so do not have the rights to use or share it. I would be grateful if you would remove it ASAP. FozzieBear1348 (talk) 15:35, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

There is no file of this name on Commons. There is a file of this name on en.wikipedia. -- Asclepias (talk) 15:46, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

@FozzieBear1348 This site is wikimedia.commons.org. This site only hosts media that has a free license. The logo that you refer to has - as you say - no free license and is therefore not hosted here. The english-language Wikipedai however has a "fair use" policy. Therefore the logo is hosted under the fair use policy at the english-language wikipedia, and if you want it removed or replaced, you will have to sort this out at the english-language wikipedia with the contributors of the english-language wikipedia. C.Suthorn (@[email protected] - p7.ee/p) (talk) 08:18, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

I deleted this logo as it is unused now. Ruslik (talk) 20:10, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

part of the image as a new image

Hi, I don't know commons and I don't know how to work with it. So I want to ask if someone could make a copy of the inscription of the building from the image File:Musoleum, boční stěna a komín lihovaru 1.jpg. (The inscription on the wall is musoleum) And then save it as a new image. The inscription is in fact a logo that I want to use for the Infobox. Thank you very much for any help 151.249.110.227 20:42, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

• File:Musoleum logo.jpg. - Jmabel ! talk 00:21, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Why was Chesebro mug shot removed?

Someone removed from Wikimedia the mug shot of Kenneth Chesebro.

All that seems to remain is this:

00:00, 25 October 2023 Explicit talk contribs deleted page File:Kenneth Chesebro mug shot.webp (F7: Violates non-free content criterion #1) Tag: Twinkle (thank)* 00:00, 25 October 2023 Explicit talk contribs deleted page File:Kenneth Chesebro mug shot.webp (F7: Violates non-free content criterion #1) Tag: Twinkle (thank)

I didn't upload the photo but have been editing the Chesebro article and don't understand why this happened.

Please advise why this was done. Thanks Utahredrock (talk) 01:49, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

@Utahredrock: There was never a File:Kenneth Chesebro mug shot.webp on Commons. en:File:Kenneth Chesebro mug shot.webp was, in fact, deleted, but Commons was not involved. I'd guess it was deleted on more or less the same basis as File:Kenneth Chesebro booking photo Fulton County Georgia.png, which was deleted per Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:Copyright violations. The history on en-wiki describes the former file as "replaceable fair use," which is to say it was neither PD nor free-licensed, and since he is a living person it should, in principle, be possible to take a photo of him and free-license it. - Jmabel ! talk 05:25, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

You did ask a similar question here, and I gave you a similar answer about why en-wiki probably couldn't accept such a photo on a "fair use" basis. - Jmabel ! talk 05:27, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

How do I download an SVG and have it stay an SVG?

I am trying to download this SVG, but whenever I download the SVG it turns into a png, how do I download an SVG and have it stay an SVG when it downloads instead of turning into a png? – Treetoes023 (talk) 02:25, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

@Treeetoes023: look for the link on the file page that says "Original file". That's what you want to download. - Jmabel ! talk 05:29, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

@Jmabel: What do I do after I press the "Original file" link? When I right-click on the image that shows up after pressing the link, it doesn't give me an option to download it. – Treetoes023 (talk) 14:25, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

If you use the "download" link from the description page, I guess it should work if you choose the "full resolution" option. Or did you already try that? -- Asclepias (talk) 14:46, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

@Asclepias: this is about an SVG (vector file, not raster), that doesn't work.

Ok, I thought that those links in the download box might do something different from clicking the ordinary links below the images, but I see they are just ordinary links too, only with different sizes. -- Asclepias (talk) 17:50, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

@Treetoes023: For a typical browser, you can right-click on "Original file" and use "Save link as...", or you can left-click on "Original file", then right-click and use "Save page as..." There are other ways as well, but those are probably the two easiest. - Jmabel ! talk 15:19, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Uploading a photo on behalf of the owner/subject of the photo

Since the rules about uploading a photo seem to be complex and confusing, I asked the owner of the photo to upload it. He created an account, logged in, but when he went to upload the photo, he got all kinds of error messages about his ip address being blocked for some reason. I have never seen this.

So all I want to do is upload a photo, on behalf of the owner/subject (since he is being blocked for some reason) of the photo to be used on a wiki page for him. Do I need to upload it and still generate an email to him for him to approve? When option do I use for the license in this case?

Thanks, Steve Swilson317 (talk) 04:35, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

• The block thing is weird. There must have been a vandal or long-term problem account using the same IP range. If you know the IP address, and it's stable, you might take this up at COM:AN.
• If they might be able to get in from somewhere else (a different Internet connection) that would probably work. Failing that, there are two other ways to do this:
  • They can upload to a site or page clearly under their control (e.g. their own website, Flickr page or publicly visible social media account), indicate the license there, and you can then cite that as a source when you upload.
  • They can go through the email-based COM:VRT process.
• Either way, they can choose any acceptable license. You would use whatever license they select (I recommend {{CC-BY-SA-4.0}}) and be sure to clarify any necessary attribution (e.g. {{CC-BY-SA-4.0|THAT GUY}}), which produces:

This file is licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 4.0 International license.

Attribution: THAT GUY

You are free:

• to share – to copy, distribute and transmit the work
• to remix – to adapt the work

Under the following conditions:

• attribution – You must give appropriate credit, provide a link to the license, and indicate if changes were made. You may do so in any reasonable manner, but not in any way that suggests the licensor endorses you or your use.
• share alike – If you remix, transform, or build upon the material, you must distribute your contributions under the same or compatible license as the original.

https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0CC BY-SA 4.0 Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 4.0 truetrue

Jmabel ! talk 15:28, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply. The image is located in the Gallery section of his own website (https://michaelkollwitz.com/gallery/). Are you saying that he needs to add verbiage on that webpage regarding the license? If so, can you recommend wording? Thanks again! Swilson317 (talk) 18:16, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

@Swilson317: That website looks like a bunch of pictures of one person, not by one person. Remember that normally the license has to come from the photographer, not the subject of the photo, and it is the photographer, not the subject who needs to be attributed as author. Unless these are self-taken photos with an auto-timer or something like that, permission from the subject's page is likely to be challenged.

That said, and assuming the copyright & credit are clear, the copyright-holder can say something under the photo in question saying something like "This photo is available for reuse under CC-BY-SA 4.0 [which I'd suggest linking to https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/deed.en], and should be attributed to NAME GOES HERE." It would be nice (but not necessary) to add "This license allows derivative works and commercial use, but requires correct attribution," to make it clear that the person granting the license knows what they are doing. - Jmabel ! talk 19:07, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. He did not take the photo, but has purchased the photo from the photographer and owns the rights to use it. I will share this information with him. I have also suggested that he follow-up with Wikimedia to resolve the block, as he should have "normal" access. Swilson317 (talk) 20:50, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

@Swilson317: "Rights to use it" may not be quite enough if the copyright was not overtly transferred. I don't know exactly what the VRT people might want on this. If the copyright was transferred, he could probably email them a copy of the transfer document; if he has an unlimited, transferable license, I suspect (but don't know) that would be about the same. But anything short of that might not let him issue the CC license, and the photographer might need to be involved. In any case, besides the aforementioned note on his own website, it would be good to send a copy of the transfer contract to the address given on COM:VRT. I know this sounds like overkill, but I imagine you've been around here long enough to know how often people are mistaken in thinking they have intellectual property rights they don't actually have. - Jmabel ! talk 03:14, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Am I allowed to upload book cover for Wikipedia article

I am trying to create a Wikipedia article on a book, and would like to use an image of the book cover. I don't believe the book is in public domain so is it even allowed? Spiggotr6 (talk) 04:46, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

@Spiggotr6: Typically not here on Commons, unless the cover is so simple as to be below the threshold of originality, or if it uses only public-domain art. But assuming you are talking about the English-language Wikipedia, you can upload it on the English-language Wikipedia for non-free use, which does not involve Commons. See en:File:SotWeedFactor.JPG for a good example of doing this correctly. - Jmabel ! talk 05:32, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you so much for the help I figured it out. Spiggotr6 (talk) 09:03, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Проблемні питання завантаження.

Вітаю, шановні. Рада прийняти участь у конкурсі. Завантажила вже декілька фото. Але є ще ряд питань. Якщо можна, то по-порядку. 1. Маю фото синагоги у місті Верхньодніпровську (Дніпропетровської області), але мого нас.пункту в списку номінації немає Як можна додати населений пункт до номінації "Єврейська спадщина"?. 2. Чи можу я додати не свої фото, заручившись дозволом автора? На жаль, автор досить літня людина і не може сам цього зробити. А фото унікальні, бо ця пам'ятка зовсім не ілюстрована у вікі. 3. Як можна внести додаткові пам'ятки, якщо їх немає у списку по моєму населеному пункту? 4. Що робити, якщо наявні у каталозі пам'ятки вже втрачені?

Щиро і заздалегідь дякую за увагу до моїх питань.

З повагою, Альона Артеменко. АльонАРТ (talk) 10:49, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

@Ahonc: can you help out here? Thanks. - Jmabel ! talk 15:31, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

אפשר לעלות תמונות?

האם אני יכולה לעלות תמונות לויקיפדיה? Hannah Backster (talk) 11:18, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Hannah Backster Yes, you can 20 upper 13:25, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Is my email registered with the WikiLovesMonuments 2023 contest?

Hello - I'm terrible at this sort of thing. I entered the above-mentioned contest last week, but only just now realized that I was supposed to click a link in an email in my inbox to confirm/register my email address so that I can be notified if I happen to place/win a prize in the contest. I just clicked the link in that email but it says that the link has expired. How can I get a new link? Thanks for any help! Diane Stanton/MyMiskyStinks56 MyMiskyStinks56 (talk) 16:22, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

• @MyMiskyStinks56: You'd really have to ask that at Commons:Wiki Loves Monuments/Help desk. - Jmabel ! talk 17:51, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Logos con Escudo de Armas y/o Banderas en Venezuela

Buenas, se puede descargar Logos con Escudo de Armas y/o Banderas en Venezuela (qué todavía existe en Wikimedia) de una Alcaldía, Concejo Municipal etc. pero inspirados por otros, es necesario agregar "Derived from" (Derivative versions)?? AbchyZa22 (talk) 21:50, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Error: File extension ".jpg" does not match the detected MIME type of the file (image/png).

Hi, does anyone know how to fix this error? It kept showing: "Upload warning File extension ".jpg" does not match the detected MIME type of the file (image/png)."

I'm uploading a new version of a file with higher quality, the file name and file extension are exactly the same for both the Source filename and Destination filename, so I'm not really sure why that error is appearing. Cjse23 (talk) 00:45, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

• @Cjse23: You can't use a file that is actually a PNG to replace a JPEG. You can (for example) bring it into GIMP and export it as a proper JPEG, then upload that.
• Just to make sure, since you are pretty new here: I hope you have read COM:OVERWRITE. In my experience, most of the time when people think they ought to overwrite a file and don't know exactly how this all works, they are wrong about overwriting being a good idea. - Jmabel ! talk 03:19, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Uploading images

i have tried to upload my own work drawing,and it can't continue because I have low momery

@Everyone who had this issue I need your help ?

@Piet Tumelo Nzimande Piet Tumelo Nzimande (talk) 06:47, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Can I use a free map of the silk road

Silk road map FABIOUSKA (talk) 08:47, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi, Can you tell us which map you are talking about? We don't have prescient powers, so we can't help you until you give more details. Thanks, Yann (talk) 12:01, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

I would like to use this map of the silk road for a publication. Thank you File:Silk_road_map.jpg. FABIOUSKA (talk) 13:32, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

The claim of "own work" there is clearly wrong, so the license is not valid. I'll be nominating that for deletion, and unless something comes up that I don't see, I'd say don't use it for anything. - Jmabel ! talk 14:53, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

how do I upload a page that I have written?

I wrote a whole page on Wikipedia NL, but it is not published. How do I publish the page? Klaubert (talk) 13:43, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

@Klaubert: For a detailed answer, you'd really have to take that up with Wikipedia NL, but you don't "upload" a page to Wikipedia, you have to write it within the wiki (either in wikitext or with the visual WYSISYG editor). You can copy-paste text from (for example) a text file or Word doc to start the article but (for example) you need to use Wikipedia's own method of footnoting and highlighting. - Jmabel ! talk 14:57, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Fotos hochladen

Ich möchte Familienfotos im Besitz meiner Familie hochladen, die ich nicht selbst gemacht habe. Zum Teil sind die Fotos mehr als 70 Jahre alt. Und weiter habe ich Fotos aus Zeitungen der 1930er Jahre oder früher. Wie kann ich diese hochladen? Richifield (talk) 14:04, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

@Richifield: Sind Sie der Erbe des betreffenden geistigen Eigentums? - Jmabel ! talk 14:59, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Ja, bin ich. Richifield (talk) 07:53, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

Found unsafe CSS in the style element of uploaded SVG file.

I was trying to change [:File:Zigzag theorem 2.pdf] to svg and created the svg by typing the below command in power shell:

latex zigzagsvg2

dvisvgm --font-format=woff2 zigzagsvg2

But I failed to upload the file. Would you give me some advice? Silvermatsu (talk) 18:04, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

• Convenience link: File:Zigzag theorem 2.pdf - Jmabel ! talk 22:59, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for correcting the link. Also, it was ".tex -> .dvi -> .svg" rather than ".pdf -> .svg" to be exact. --Silvermatsu (talk) 08:48, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

@Silvermatsu: are you saying you've successfully created an SVG and cannot upload it? Are you trying to use it to overwrite the PDF (impossible) or just trying to upload it as a new file? What upload tool are you using, and what error message do you get? - Jmabel ! talk 20:53, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply. When I uploaded a new file using the Upload Wizard, the upload failed with the error message Found unsafe CSS in the style element of uploaded SVG file. . --Silvermatsu (talk) 04:45, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

Reversions of Austria-Hungary maps by user GPinkerton

Several weeks ago user GPinkerton reverted several maps of the subdivisions of Austria-Hungary originally created by Ludó (listed below) back to their original 2018 versions, which are full of inaccuracies and anachronistic borders. (Details of the changes made here.) They specified Commons:Overwriting existing files as their justification but provided no additional comments (the summary was simply a link to the policy). I posted a message on their talk page on 6 October asking for further details/explanation, but have had no response.

It is my understanding that the reverted changes would fall under "uncontroversial corrections to diagrams, maps, or charts, if a more accurate version is available". However, I thought it best not to simply re-revert them without first seeking confirmation – I have no intention of starting an upload-war. Is my assessment correct and is it OK to restore the modified versions? If not presumably the "correct" course of action would be to re-upload them under a new file name, change all uses on the various Wikipedias to the corrected versions and tag the originals with {{Superseded}} – if so I assume there is no way to automate the process (it seems like such a tool would be rather prone to abuse) and so it would have to be done manually?

If it is relevant, the files in question had been previously edited by user Claude Zygiel, with whom GPinkerton seems have butted-heads before over uploading "fake" historical maps (i.e. modified versions of old out-of-copyright maps which may give the impression that the modifications are sourced to the original author; see User talk:Claude Zygiel#Manipulating historical maps). GPinkerton also seem to have reverted several other files previously modified by Claude Zygiel on that same day and with the same simple link summary. (See Uploads by GPinkerton.)

Apologies if this is not the right place to post/ask this – if there's a better place please let me know.

Reverted files:

• Empire d'Autriche 1914 Galicie.png
• Empire d'Autriche 1914 Bohême.png
• Empire d'Autriche 1914 Moravie.png
• Empire d'Autriche 1914 Dalmatie.png
• Empire d'Autriche 1914 Basse-Autriche.png
• Empire d'Autriche 1914 Haute-Autriche.png
• Empire d'Autriche 1914 Salzbourg.png
• Empire d'Autriche 1914 Tyrol.png
• Empire d'Autriche 1914 Vorarlberg.png
• Empire d'Autriche 1914 Carinthie.png
• Empire d'Autriche 1914 Carniole.png
• Empire d'Autriche 1914 Styrie.png
• Empire d'Autriche 1914 Bucovine.png
• Empire d'Autriche 1914 Silésie.png

Empire d'Autriche 1914 Goritz et Gradiska.png, Empire d'Autriche 1914 Trieste.png and Empire d'Autriche 1914 Istrie.png were also reverted but had not been edited by me.

Alphathon /ˈæɫfə.θɒn/ ^(talk) 21:46, 26 October 2023 (UTC) (post edited to remove three of the files from the list, so as not to imply that I had edited them Alphathon /ˈæɫfə.θɒn/ ^(talk) 09:31, 29 October 2023 (UTC))

At a quick look in areas where I know the details, your (Alphathon's) maps look more accurate. No one here seems to be citing any sources or listing the discrepancies, which makes it hard to sort out (since one of you could be right on one matter and the other on another). I would say that given the credit of "Own work" by Ludovic Lepeltier-Kutasi, you might do better to upload under a distinct file name as a derivative work and give a summary of what purported errors the changes intend to address, and what your authority is for the changes. Some of the changes were simply aesthetic (darker borders, different shades or hues). - Jmabel ! talk 23:11, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

With the exception of Bosnia and Herzegovina (which was changed so that it would be included in Austria-Hungary) no aesthetic changes were (intentionally) made. However, there seems to be a discrepancy in the colour profiles between the versions which I haven't been able to track down which may account for any such differences. The differences/changes made between the original and modified versions, as well as the main sources, are listed here. Alphathon /ˈæɫfə.θɒn/ ^(talk) 23:27, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Actually, there were some aesthetic changes made which I had forgotten about – the outer border of Austria-Hungary was changed to black and the coastlines/lake shores to blue. My mistake. Alphathon /ˈæɫfə.θɒn/ ^(talk) 23:41, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

To be clear though at no point has GPinkerton claimed (explicitly) that the changes made were erroneous. Rather, it is my interpretation that they are taking an absolutist stance on the Commons:Overwriting existing files policy, i.e. something like "never upload a new version of a file made by someone else". Part of the issue here is that they weren't specific so taking appropriate action to remedy the situation is difficult. Alphathon /ˈæɫfə.θɒn/ ^(talk) 23:34, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Alphathon: my apologies for not getting back to you earlier; I had forgotten about your question on my talk page which I neglected to answer. I don't have a particular opinion on the accuracy of the maps, and you are right to surmise that the issue is with Claude Zygiel's editing, but it would seem to me that changes to political or historical borders on maps, however minor, is exactly the kind of thing Commons:Overwriting existing files is intended to forbid. In my view, moving swathes of territory from one province to another is the kind of thing over which wars have been fought, and doing so is not at all like changing a resolution here or changing the colour of shading there. With these Austro-Hungarian maps, being digital native maps, I don't think that so much of a problem if a reliable source can be cited or consensus established. What Claude has been doing, in changing photographs of historical paper maps to make them "correct" according to Claude's own synthesis is for me beyond the pale. (See more at Commons:Deletion requests/File:Europe 1097-corrected.jpg.) The fact that you have discussed the changes with another editor is a good thing, even if the original uploader should be consulted where possible, but the fact that this editor was Claude made me feel that such a limited consensus was insecure. Apologies again for the delay in making this more explicit Alphathon. GPinkerton (talk) 23:58, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for replying @GPinkerton. I understand your position with regard to Claude Zygiel's edits to old maps and don't think it is an unreasonable one, as doing so can imply a source or create the illusion of authority. With maps originally created for Commons however ("digital native maps" as you put it) I do not think that holds, hence the "uncontroversial corrections to diagrams, maps, or charts" exemption. The "uncontroversial" part seems to be key here – if the accuracy (and possibly neutrality) is disputed then obviously it is right that they should be reverted (at least until consensus is reached). If a map has a specific source listed that may be different (assuming it follows the source accurately), especially if it is specifically supposed to show a particular perspective. In this case though no source is listed at all for the original versions, and several of the borders are clearly anachronistic/modern (see the talk page post of a full list) so given the style I would guess they were simply derived from GIS data or similar for modern subdivisions; Bukovina was probably derived from something like this map of the 1940s Bukovina Governate or a map of the inter-war Romanian counties such as this one. On the other hand, the changes I made were sourced, primarily to official Austro-Hungarian maps:

The Austro-Hungarian borders used (internal and external) are mostly derived directly from the Austrian/Austro-Hungarian military surveys, as well as from individual county maps for Hungary/Croatia-Slavonia (available here or on Commons in Category:Old maps of counties in the Kingdom of Hungary and Category:Maps of counties of Croatia-Slavonia) and cross-referenced with maps covering all of Hungary.

It seems to me that official Austro-Hungarian survey and county maps are about as reliable and as far from "controversial" as is possible for an administrative map of Austria-Hungary. The only borders not sourced to the Austro-Hungarian surveys/county maps were the Germany–Russia border, which was sourced from German survey maps (Messtischblätter) (although the same border does appear on the Austro-Hungarian 1:200k survey sheets at a lower level of detail) and some of those in the Balkans which changed following the Second Balkan War (primarily the borders between Serbia, Montenegro and Albania).

What Claude Zygiel has been doing to photographs[/scans] of historical paper maps is really not relevant, as

• my versions of the maps (the current versions before you reverted) were derived from the original versions, not Claude Zygiel's, with the only changes retained from their versions being the re-coloured outer border and Bosnia and Herzegovina (which I re-implemented from scratch),
• all edits should be taken on their own merit, not because a particular user made them (and in this case they did not), and
• these files are not photographs/scans of historical paper maps

Alphathon /ˈæɫfə.θɒn/ ^(talk) 09:31, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

• @Alphathon: I completely respect what you are trying to do but when you disagree with someone about a map they uploaded and that you want to overwrite, "mostly sourced from maps on such-and-such website" is only marginally better than no citation at all. It doesn't allow anyone to check your work without doing roughly as much research as you did yourself. Cite individual maps, be specific about what areas you made changes in based on what map. Otherwise, upload to a different file name and make your case on individual Wikipedias to adopt your maps. If you want to just overwrite like this, the standards of citation should pretty much be those typical for Wikipedia. - Jmabel ! talk 16:17, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

Fair enough. I wasn't really thinking of it as a formal citation (just descriptive prose) at the time so could have been clearer/more explicit, although I don't think "mostly sourced from maps on such-and-such website" is quite fair.

• "...mostly derived directly from the Austrian/Austro-Hungarian military surveys...": This refers to the Franzisco-Josephinische Landesaufnahme (third military survey of the Habsburg Empire) which was conducted by the k.u.k. Militärgeographisches Institut (Imperial and Royal Military-Geographical Institute). The survey itself and the original 1:25K sheets (and 1:75K versions) date from the 1860s–80s, but updated 1:200K sheets were produced in the 1900s and 1910s, which are available on Commons here (along with some of the 19c. sheets). The military surveys are the main official maps of Austria-Hungary, possibly second only to the cadastral maps which define the municipal boundaries. The "mostly" here just refers to the fact that some areas lie beyond the bounds/temporal range of the survey maps, but I see how it could be ambiguous.
• "...individual county maps for Hungary/Croatia-Slavonia...": The website linked to, which is also the source of those available on Commons (and the 1:200K survey sheets (here)), is lazarus.elte.hu, the (old) website of Eötvös Loránd University, Faculty of Informatics, Institute of Cartography and Geoinformatics. (They have a new page at terkep.elte.hu but have kept the old one up presumably to maintain the resources there.) The versions with the coloured districts are credited (on the maps themselves) as Kiadatott a vallás-és közoktatásügyi m. kir. Minister úr megbizásából, which I believe^† is the Royal Hungarian Minister of Religion and Public Education (Vallás- és Közoktatásügyi Minisztérium).
• "...cross-referenced with maps covering all of Hungary" was intentionally broad as I used several maps, but only used them to double check the other sources rather than as sources in-and-of themselves.
  • The main one is A Magyar Állam Közigazgatási Térképe ("Administrative map of the Hungarian state"^†), 1914, credited to A M. Kir. Állami Nyomda Kiadása which I understand^† to be the official royal Hungarian state printer.
  • This map from Stielers Handatlas (hosted by Stanford University's David Rumsey Historical Map Collection) was also used for "cross-referencing". Since it shows essentially the whole region depicted in these maps it can also be used to verify areas beyond Hungary. However, being a 1911 map it has a few minor differences in some of the Hungarian county boundaries (e.g. Pusztamérges is shown as part of Pest-Pilis-Solt-Kiskun rather than Csongrád), and of course does not show the Balkan borders from 1913. (Some of the survey sheets also have this problem. I can see why 1914 was chosen but if the originals had not specified 1914 I would probably have chosen a slightly earlier date.)
  • A few other maps were also used but I don't have them to hand.

† I do not speak Hungarian so my understanding of the texts relies on machine translation, although I have checked the translations to the best of my ability.

As to the specific changes made, I did post a broad list of changes made (quoted here for convenience):

• Bukovina: the original version showed the 1930s Romanian boundaries; Claude Zygiel's version was much better but still not accurate.
• Various anachronistic/modern boundaries:
  • Tyrol–Italy: the previous versions showed the modern province boundaries (Trentino-Alto Adige/Südtirol).
  • Carinthia–Italy: the original version showed the modern boundaries while Claude Zygiel's version erroneously added extra territory to the Littoral/Gorizia.
  • Lower Austria–Bohemia/Moravia
  • Styria–Carniola
  • Galicia and Lodomeria: the previous versions used modern Polish Voivodeship and Ukrainian Oblast boundaries among other inaccuracies.
  • Bosnia and Herzegovina: did not include Sutorina and had incorrect borders with Croatia-Slavonia.
  • Balkan states: the previous versions largely showed the modern borders, which did not match those of 1914 (Southern Dobruja was Romanian, Montenegro was larger etc).
• Romania–Hungary/Transylvania border: the original version showed modern Romanian boundaries; Claude Zygiel's version was better but still not accurate.
• Kotor/Cattaro was missing in the original version and Claude Zygiel's version was inaccurate.
• Hungarian county boundaries: almost all of them had some inaccuracy so I am not sure what the original source was. Claude Zygiel's version also offset them for some reason.
• Teschen/Cieszyn/Těšín borders (Silesia)

...[I also added] a single additional enclave [(Moravian exclave)] – Nové Vrbno/Neu Würben/Goldseifen [– to Austrian Silesia].

I do not think it is practical to list every change specifically, as that would essentially be a list of all the crownlands and Hungarian counties (I think the only completely untouched one is Austria above the Enns/Upper Austria), and most are simply minor border corrections rather than the transfer of specific areas. I can be more specific about some of the changes though. For example, "Lower Austria–Bohemia/Moravia" refers to the areas around Feldsberg/Valtice and Gmünd/České Velenice, which were part of Austria below the Enns/Lower Austria until the 1919 Treaty of Saint-Germain. For the Tyrol–Italy border, the specific differences are the Valvestino, Pedemonte, and Fodom/(Cortina d')Ampezzo, which are now part of Brescia, Vicenza and Belluno respectively but were part of Tyrol (what is now Trentino-Alto Adige/Südtirol) until shortly after WWI (1920s I think).

Alphathon /ˈæɫfə.θɒn/ ^(talk) 00:38, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia is a mirror of real humanity. In today's humanity, more and more conflicting contradictions replace collaborative work, dogmatism and the blind application of a few rules replace thought, dialogue is useless, any divergent opinion is suspect, any improvement constitutes a fake, and we must faithfully propagate all errors from secondary sources so as not to fall into original research. I'm tired. --Claude Zygiel (talk) 16:19, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

Date of created or published image not found

Hello, What happens if you can't get the date that an image was created or published? Thank you, Enedina Vera Max4everr! (talk) 22:14, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

• If this is an issue that needs to be resolved to determine copyright status, it probably means the image should not be uploaded to Commons, under the precautionary principle.
• Otherwise: presumably you can pin it down to some range. E.g. {{circa|1923}} produces "circa 1923
  date QS:P,+1923-00-00T00:00:00Z/9,P1480,Q5727902
  ", {{other date|before|1937}} produces "before 1937
  date QS:P,+1937-00-00T00:00:00Z/7,P1326,+1937-00-00T00:00:00Z/9
  ", etc. - Jmabel ! talk 23:18, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Upload pdf - page by page

Hello, It must have been asked before... I have just downloaded 3 beautiful (PD) 1910 volumes/pdfs of Japanese Temples and Their Treasures, consisting of several hundred plates. Is there an upload option that would split these 500 MB+ pdfs into individual jpg pages during upload (preferable), or do I need to split them this end prior to upload? Thank you, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 00:21, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

• My guess is that anything anyone knows is at Commons:Extracting images from PDF. - Jmabel ! talk

Oddly edited image - what action to take?

File:PeteBauer.jpg appears to have been edited to make one of the subject's eyes noticeably lower than the other. If you look at the given source, http://www.photoshophalloffame.com/peter-bauer, the image does not appear, but there is a different photo of him in which his eyes are aligned normally. The uploading user, Mayorbauer (talk · contribs), is likely to be Peter Bauer, the subject of the image. He may have made that edit himself (he is in the Photoshop Hall of Fame, after all), although the reason for it isn't clear to me. I'm a bit concerned that either Bauer is having a laugh at our expense or someone else is having a laugh at his expense. What action, if any, should be taken on this image? Apocheir (talk) 03:49, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

@Apocheir: You can nominate the file for speedy deletion (with copyvio and a link to a copy of the original photo). It looks like a modified version of the photo used in his Amazon profile. In this case, it doesn't matter who modified the photo, because the original photo is not credited and sourced, it is on the internet and there is no indication that it is free and the modified file has a false source. The article on en.wikipedia has often been edited and/or vandalized by several accounts using the name of this person. -- Asclepias (talk) 17:55, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

Downloading an OGG file

I would like to download File:Bob Minor, Synthesised Bell Sounds.ogg. On that page, the link “Download” opens a box with fields for Page URL, File URL, and Attribution, as well as two links, but no way to actually download the OGG file. So how can I download it?

(I asked a different question about the same file at en:Wikipedia:Reference desk/Computing#Play an OGG file slower) ◅ Sebastian Helm 🗨 10:45, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

@SebastianHelm: Click on the link that says "full resolution". That's the download.

If your browser is set up to automatically open the OGG in a new tab or window, you'll need to take a further step of saving that page, using the browser's usual means of saving a page. - Jmabel ! talk 20:56, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, that solves it. I was confused because ① it says “image file” there, and ② then Chrome opens and plays the OGG. But the window has a “⁝” button, which opens a menu with a “⤓ download” command. ◅ Sebastian Helm 🗨 21:57, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

Logotype

I wish to upload a brand new logotype for the school Hvilan Utbildning in Skåne, Sweden. Do I need the written permission from the school's president? If so, where shall I send that permission? Klurik123 (talk) 11:45, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello. If the logo is below the COM:threshold of originality, then no permission is needed, and you can upload it here as public domain. Otherwise, the permission you would need is for the holder of the copyright to release it under a licence such as CC-BY-SA, which would allow anybody to reuse or alter it for any purpose (commercial or not) as long as they attributed the source. It is possible your institution would agree to this, but it seems unlikely. See COM:Licensing for more information.

If you are wanting to use the logo in a Wikipedia article, then some Wikipedias allow non-free content in some situations. For example, in English Wikipedia, en:WP:Logos tells you how you can use logos. I don't know whether Swedish Wikipedia allows this or not. ColinFine (talk) 15:42, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

Templated subcategory not visible in parent category

Categories of the form "Category:Churches in the United States photographed in YEAR" are defined by the template {{USA-churchphotoyear}}. I recently modified this template to parent from "Category:Buildings in the United States photographed in YEAR" to "Category:Religious buildings in the United States photographed in YEAR", yet each "Category:Churches in the United States photographed in YEAR" isn't visible in "Category:Religious buildings in the United States photographed in YEAR". See for example Category:Churches in the United States photographed in 2023 and Category:Religious buildings in the United States photographed in 2023. Is this some kind of indexing bug that has a known workaround? -- DanielPenfield (talk) 15:58, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

As of this writing, the problem seems to have resolved itself. -- DanielPenfield (talk) 16:35, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

Photos after 1928

I found a bunch of photos of the Red Hill Band in the Schwenkfelder Library & Heritage Center archive. I've uploaded all of the images that were taken before 1928. What does the process look like for uploading the photos after 1928? I have photos from the 1940s (one of a parade and another of their first car), I have one of the 1950 anniversary concert, I have a photo of the band at the New Goshenhoppen band shell in 1975, and one from 2002 at the Upper Perkiomen High School. I also have a poster for one of their concerts in 1970 and the poster for their 100th year anniversary (looks like their was a design contest for it). The band itself is still around and the members I've contacted have expressed interest in uploading any photos I can find. I asked the librarian at the Schwenkfelder who sent me the photos if it would be okay to upload them to Wikipedia and they said yes as well. TipsyElephant (talk) 12:04, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

The process for post-1928 American photographs is essentially finding out the provenance of the photographs, which would hopefully tell you when they were published and if they had a copyright notice. Before 1978, published works needed copyright notice in order to gain a copyright, and there is U. S. law that publication before 1978 occurred when the photograph left the custody of the original photographer. For a 2002 photograph, you'd need to have the photographer contact COM:VRT to grant permission for a free license since a 2002 photograph is automatically copyrighted. Abzeronow (talk) 16:02, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

@Abzeronow: I believe most of these pictures have been taken by people closely associated with the band. Many of the photos were kept by LeRoy Shultz and eventually donated to the Schwenkfelder Heritage Center. A few of them were donated by a women, but they didn't have the name of the person. I asked about licensing and copyrights on one of the photos a while back and the librarian said it didn't have a license or copyright. Should I contact the librarian again and confirm that none of these have a copyright? If you had to obtain a copyright notice through some formal process then I highly doubt that any of them had a copyright notice. How would I confirm this? TipsyElephant (talk) 01:55, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

@Clindberg: , there would have to be a "copyright" or a copyright symbol with the year somewhere with the photograph if it were published before 1978. Do you know when these were donated? Abzeronow (talk) 16:49, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

If they were were distributed individually before 1989 then yes there needed to be a copyright symbol or the word "copyright" (or abbreviation) somewhere. If they were part of a publication, then a copyright notice for the entire publication would cover any photos inside (other than advertisements). Note that the date starts from publication, not from when they were actually taken. Anything published before 1964 also needed to have its copyright renewed with the US Copyright Office, which was exceedingly rare with individual photos. It gets more difficult with private photos; those could have been unpublished. Although if someone gave out prints at the time, that could well be publication (there was no clear definition in law, so it's always muddy). If they were donated to the center before 1989 they are probably fine. If they were prints distributed around at the time (so one person could collect them) they are probably fine. If they were personal photos not donated before 1989, that could be a technical problem. Carl Lindberg (talk) 18:33, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

@Abzeronow and Carl Lindberg: I've contacted the librarian to hopefully get more information. None of the photos have copyright symbols anywhere on them (front or back). They were donated in two batches. One was donated by LeRoy Shultz and another was donated by a woman who was in the band. Some of the images were distributed locally as postcards and some of them identified names of people in the picture with a phone number to call if you recognized any of the unidentified people. I don't when these were distributed, but I would guess it was before 1989. Some of the photos have been used in newspaper articles. If they were used in newspaper articles after 1989 will that be a problem? TipsyElephant (talk) 19:31, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

@Clindberg: looks like I got your username wrong the first time around so I'm re-pinging you. TipsyElephant (talk) 19:33, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

If they are postcards from before 1989 with no notice they are definitely fine. You had to have a notice on all copies (well, at least most) so publication elsewhere would not matter.

I just found one that was not a postcard as far as I'm aware that was published in a newspaper in 1950. Would that be okay as well?

Almost certainly. You can check this page for the newspaper to see when its first renewals were for. If not listed, or a later date than 1950, it's fine. Carl Lindberg (talk) 21:46, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

To recver the file from Nomination of deletion

I'm Asiant22, myself I had uploaded the File:Jishnu Raghavan.jpg now this file is under speed deletion criteria.It was not my own work I had took from Facebook.Please give me a solution, Thanking you Asiant22 (talk) 12:59, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

Please read COM:L, we cannot accept works from Facebook if they are not your own work. You could try asking the photographer to contact COM:VRT to grant permission for a free license. Abzeronow (talk) 15:54, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

Copyright help regarding File:Miguel Saiz gobernador.jpg

Hello. I believe this file is under fair use since it is an official portrait of an Argentine government official, but I could not find the original picture (this is a cropped version of a photograph taken of the portrait), so I do not know what its license is. Apologies if I erred in uploading this photograph.

--Skyline2023 (talk) 20:24, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

@Skyline2023: Commons does not accept files on a "fair use" basis (and "fair use" is always dependent on the context in which a photo is used, anyway), so if you are correct that its use here in Commons would constitute fair use, that would be a reason to delete it. However, I think it is most likely {{PD-AR-Photo}}. You don't give even an estimated date, though, so I can't be sure of that. - Jmabel ! talk 22:10, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, I am not familiar with copyright terminology so I said "fair use" when I meant copyright-free. Thank you. Skyline2023 (talk) 22:13, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

Another artist, another chance for my brand-new author icon

After our first go-round (as detailed at Commons:Help desk/Archive/2023/08#Uploading my brand-new author icon to Commons) ultimately went nowhere, here's to hoping our next r/furry artist, "Creation2Station", delivers what I need for my Miraheze sidebar logo/Wikimedia portrait badge. And before you ask, @Jmabel: I reminded him about the VRT process and how much easier it is to state the license on the original RDT post--lessons learned this time. (Sadly, attempts to contact our last guest ["LeoTheFloofyDragon"] re: choosing his license have borne almost no fruit, so his take might as well be staying on his RDT/DeviantART profiles for the foreseeable future.)

Apparently, C2S may be starting to work on that request as I type, so we'll wait and see how it goes this time. Any further advice? --Slgrandson (talk) 02:47, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

categories of italian military aircraft registrations (Tornado)

I noticed, that in the Category:Panavia Tornado in Italian service aircraft are being listed under their squadron identification code e.g. 6-25 instead of their military registration which is MM7043 in that example (see that number on the tail of this photo).

The point is, that an individual aircraft during its service obtains different squadron identification codes. Watch this photo-collection, where the aircraft MM6970 is beeing seen as 51-04 in 1996 but also as 5-45 in the year 2002 while the military registration remained the same.

Before I start to add this MM.... category (all these are in the Aircraft by registration-category) I need a second opinion on the hierarchy and secondly to my opinion, that one could leave the sqadron code category on these files as they are, as this is actually still another way to find them in the Aircraft by registration-category.

the only weak point is, that I would only add those pictures of a X-XX squadron code to the MM.... code that ere either clearly visible or taken at roughly the same time (in the case of 6-25 all can be added to MM7043).

Hierachy of the categories that I thought of firstyː

-Panavia Tornado in Italian service

-MM7043

-6-25

while both (MM7043 and 6-25) remain in the "Aircraft by registration"-category.

this would mean, that the 6-25 will not be visible in the Category:Panavia Tornado in Italian service anymore. Or would it be better to have these two in there both at the same time?

At the moment, only one aircraft is in the Category:Panavia Tornado in Italian service in both ways; it is MM55002 which is also I-41. (I naturally created MM55002 when uploading, as this is its registration and then realized, that the upper category contains NO MM.... registrations, which is wrong or at least incomplete).

Correct so far and 2nd questionː hierarchy or same level? Anidaat (talk) 08:22, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

@Anidaat: are squadron codes permanently unique? Or can two different aircraft have the same squadron code at different times? If they are unique, then they are probably good categories, and should be subcats of the registration number. If they are not unique, then they need further qualification to be good category names.

As for the hierarchy, think about what we do for ships, or at least most modern ships. We have the IMO, which permanently identifies the vessel, and might have any number of categories which combine a name and a date of construction (and, very rarely, a further disambiguator when needed) and are subcats of the IMO cat. Things like what force they were part of are generally associated with the vessel name, not the IMO. - Jmabel ! talk 16:24, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

Anita Hoffman with son.jpg

Does the file Anita Hoffman with son.jpg have a free license? NoonIcarus (talk) 12:04, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

It's clearly licensed under CC-BY-SA-4.0. I think the question you meant to ask is whether a user whose only contribution to the project is this photo is in a position to provide such a license. Have you performed an image search to determine any prior publication?RadioKAOS (talk) 12:43, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

NoonIcarus, RadioKAOS, Tineye fails to find it. Google lens finds multiple items, but is relatively silent on the dates, so is hard to determine whether the hits came first or the Commons upload. More research is required to determine this. 🇺🇦 Timtrent 🇺🇦 talk to me 🇺🇦 14:01, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

https://kids.kiddle.co/Abbie_Hoffman dates the picture as taken in 1972 🇺🇦 Timtrent 🇺🇦 talk to me 🇺🇦 14:04, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

Taken from Wikipedia / Commons. -- Asclepias (talk) 16:30, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

The upload occurred the day before the comment at File talk:Abbie Hoffman and Johanna Lawrenson.jpg. It's reasonably possible that the Commons copy was the first publication and was uploaded by or on behalf of someone with access to the original photo. However, it's not sourced as own work, but it's sourced from family archives and credited to Leah Kushner. As such, it would require evidence that the license was offered by the actual copyright owner. -- Asclepias (talk) 16:30, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

See Anita Hoffman with son.jpg. I think we have this well sorted out now as being uploaded by a legitimate heir, but if anyone still sees a need for VRT, please do it sooner rather than later. Or I'd be willing to publish the correspondence here, but with email addresses suppressed. - Jmabel ! talk 00:15, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Descargar sedes de Instituciones inspirados por otros

Buenas se puede descargar fotos de sedes de Instituciones (Alcaldías, Gobernaciones, etc.) en Venezuela, inspirados por otros (por ejemplo si busco en Google una sede de una Alcaldía del Municipio Maracaibo del Estado Zulia, Venezuela)?? AbchyZa22 (talk) 14:46, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

• ¿"Sede" en el sentido de un edificio? ¿o en algún otro sentido? Y, ¿que significa "inspirados" aquí? Si la foto es grabado por otra persona, los derechos del autor pertenecen al fotógrafo. - Jmabel ! talk 16:36, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

  @Jmabel: Por ejemplo si descargo en google una foto del arquitecto de una institución pero es grabado por otra persona esta permitido hacer "Upload"??

  AbchyZa22 (talk) 23:06, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

  • En general, no. Como he dicho, los derechos del autor pertenecen al fotógrafo. Si los derechos de autor han expirado, resultando en la obra siendo ahora en el dominio público, entonces sería aceptable sobre esa base. En Venezuela, los derechos del autor duran 60 años después de la muerte del autor. - Jmabel ! talk 23:46, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

Editing anothers overexposed photos

I've just signed up for an account and one thing I found I can do is correct photos. When I tried I was asked if it was my photo, but I'm not the original photographer. How do I handle this? Torquepuppies (talk) 16:42, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

With much caution. A good understanding of Commons:Overwriting files and a knowledge of Commons usages. And a bit of patience until your account gets the possibility to overwrite files. "Correcting" other people's works can be subjective. It's fine where it's appropriate. -- Asclepias (talk) 17:00, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

Change photo name

When I uploaded File:Red Hill Band 1925.tif I had found sources saying the photo was taken around 1925. I recently found this File:Town And Country - Vol 7 No 12 Pg 1 - June 24 1905.png, which was published in 1905 and contains the photo. So clearly the photo was not taken in 1925, but I included 1925 in the file name. How do I move or rename the file? Also, what are the standard practices for naming conventions of photos on Wikimedia Commons? TipsyElephant (talk) 19:48, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

I've renamed the file since the year is an error as you state. Abzeronow (talk) 19:59, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

Please, see Commons:File renaming for more information. Ruslik (talk) 20:00, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

File overwriting not allowed

I often used the function "Upload a new version", but today I always get the message "File overwriting not allowed". I tried pictures with every lisence and none worked. Is there a new rule in place recently? If so, please clear all files, which are not allowed to be overwritten, of the "Upload a new version" button. It is really annoying to be given an option, that doesn't actually exist. - If this is not the case and the problem has a solution, please advise. Thanks in advance. MenkinAlRire (talk) 21:45, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

OK, I discovered the guideline edit from 28 October, where a stricter rule was implemented. This is hard to swallow, that every time I improve an image for better use in an article, I have to ask for an exception or upload it anew, so that I have to change the filenames in the page(s) I am editing. You may take my image edits as example, if they are really not an improvement, even if the edits may be more than minor. I wonder, how the banner is triggered; it has to be a quantitative measure, I suppose. Anyway, it's frustrating. MenkinAlRire (talk) 22:09, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

@MenkinAlRire: Please, if you are uploading another version of the same image under a different name, link them either with {{Other version}} or {{Derivative works}} / {{Derived from}}. - Jmabel ! talk 23:50, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

There was no way to tell. I am just learning the new ways;) But, sincerely, how could I know that? Until Yesterday it all went smooth. And now restrictions are gone into effect. I just followed the proposed way to use the upload wizard. There are no notifications or instructions whatsoever. And I wouldn't even know, where to link them (under 'source'?). MenkinAlRire (talk) 03:31, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

@MenkinAlRire: under "other versions" (which is in {{Information}} and quite a few other templates). Do I take it that up to now you have never modified a file in a way that required also preserving the prior version? That's unusual, for what it's worth. - Jmabel ! talk 06:14, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

@Jmabel: if there is no other version, I don't see any (possible) entry of that kind, so I have to know about the possibility of the addition first. Now I know, and I will use it, if indicated. Thank you.) - I wouldn't upload a new version, if I wasn't sure, that the edited image is better than before. The original file isn't destroyed, everyone may compare the versions (and in case reverse my version; I wouldn't fight it). I am usually rather annoyed about the number of bad images, that I have to examine one by one, before I choose the best to put in an article. And often I edit them, tilt, colour, shadows, light, sharpness, colour aberration, and try to enhance its clearness, that is to expose all information that I can get out of it (It is not a question of asthetics whatsoever). Balancing the tilt might lead to some context cut away. But substantially cropped versions I am always uploading as a new image (for which, I will follow your advice from now on). Hence I don't really understand your remark, that it would be unusual. - By the way, the obligatory new name differs only in a supplement at the end (e.g. _1, b or cropped) of the original filename as unsufficient as I may find it; otherwise I would have made an unintentional error. MenkinAlRire (talk) 21:20, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

Sharpening can actually be pretty controversial. It can introduce artifacts. I, for one, generally prefer to make my own decisions about what post-processing I want on my photos, and while I've had a few times where someone definitely improved a photo of mine, I've had far more where a change was not an unambiguous improvement, and I've reverted it. No comment on your particular edits here, which I haven't really studied, and if you've never or almost never been reverted then you are probably doing it well. - Jmabel ! talk 00:20, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Cover image

Is it legal to put an image on the cover of a book that is to be sold? The following data will be provided: title, author, year, download address ect. Polski

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Cover image

Is it legal to put an image on the cover of a book that is to be sold? The following data will be provided: title, author, year, download address 5.173.188.89 13:00, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

• There is no general answer to that question. Are you talking about some specific image? If it is an image on Commons, any specific requirements to license the image will be stated on the Commons file page of the image. Different images on Commons have different requirements. If you've looked there and still don't know what to do, please link the relevant file page here so someone can give you a concrete answer. - Jmabel ! talk 18:39, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

Uploading a photo

I's trying to upload a photo for a wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anand_Jon And I'm having difficulty doing it. It's just a simple photo. so I'm not sure why it has to be such a process... Sethbaby123 (talk) 15:50, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

• @Sethbaby123: is it a photo you took yourself? If not, how does it come to be either in the public domain or free-licensed? - Jmabel ! talk 00:21, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Refrencing Wikimedia

Who do I reference as the owner for Wikimedia (Bibliography) 146.95.224.105 19:16, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

• I absolutely don't understand that question. Is there some particular page whose content you are trying to reference? And where are you trying to reference it? - Jmabel ! talk 00:22, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Misspelled category

The commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Letzte Genration, Berlin, 2023-05-10 should be spelled "Generation". See w:de:Letzte Generation. I would normally set about fixing it myself, but I am a bit snowed under at the moment. Best, RobbieIanMorrison (talk) 20:26, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

•  Done, now Category:Letzte Generation, Berlin, 2023-05-10. - Jmabel ! talk 00:28, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Replace primary subject photo for 'Mihail Chemiakin'.

I would like to replace the primary image on the page 'Mihail Chemiakin'. The photo I wish to use is a personal file at this point. What steps would I need to follow in order to accomplish this? Alan Lamb - USA (talk) 21:35, 30 October 2023 (UTC)