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==Thank you==
For that fix of one of my user space galleries - cheers [[User:SatuSuro|SatuSuro]] ([[User talk:SatuSuro|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 23:39, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
== [[:Category:Images from the Florida Photographic Collection]] ==
"It's a useful navigational cat" means that it's not only a useful cat, it's useful ''for navigation too'', something that is thwarted by hiding it. There are several Flordia-related themes for which the categiory is itself a useful grouping: particularly motor racing on Daytona Beach in the 1930s and the general social history of Florida's tourist trade. This isn't just the usual "Photos by Fred" source category. [[User:Andy Dingley|Andy Dingley]] ([[User talk:Andy Dingley|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 21:32, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
:That may be, but they should be categorized in content categories. Like "Motor racing on Daytona Beach in the 1930s". Many hidden cats are used for navigation. [[User:Rocket000|Rocket000]] ([[User talk:Rocket000#top|talk]]) 00:04, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
== Your unblock of Elkawe ==
Unblocking [[User:Elkawe]] was a bad idea. It is apparent that he does not understand copyright because he consistently labels as his own work images (whether PD-ineligible or not) that are in fact derivative works. Whether or not he acted in bad faith is irrelevant; what matters is that he is a risk to the project as long as he does not convince us that he understands the problem with his uploads. I'd have had no problem with an unblock as soon as he convinces us that he understands copyright.
I only became aware of him because I was processing an official request for deletion via [[Commons:OTRS]] by a rights owner of a map which he photographed and falsely labeled as own work. In my opinion, the Foundation rather narrowly escaped legal action in that case. Are you willing to take the responsibility for the foundation's legal exposure should Elkawe continue to violate the copyright of others because of your unblock? [[User:Sandstein|Sandstein]] ([[User talk:Sandstein|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 11:28, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
:Sandstein does the exact same thing, "falsely claiming" that [[:File:Verzichtserklärung Karl I. 11.11.1918.jpg|this abdication]] is own work. /[[User:Pieter Kuiper|Pieter Kuiper]] ([[User talk:Pieter Kuiper|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 12:33, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
:I think the block was totally unjustified. If the Foundation is really in legal trouble, they have a lawyer whose job it is to protect them, not ours. By all means, feel free to discuss my unblock on [[Commons:Administrators'_noticeboard/Blocks_%26_protections#Please_unblock_Elkawe]] and see what others have to say. I stand by my action. [[User:Rocket000|Rocket000]] ([[User talk:Rocket000#top|talk]]) 16:12, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
== [[Commons:Categories for discussion/2010/09/Category:Orders and Decorations]] ==
G'day Rocket000, as an admin active on CfD, could you have a look at the Orders and decorations CfD, which I think may be ready for closure. It has been up for 20 days and, other than some peripheral concerns raised by Foroa which I believe I have addressed, it has received unanimous support. Cheers, [[User:AusTerrapin|AusTerrapin]] ([[User talk:AusTerrapin|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 07:47, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
:{{done}} Siebot's now taking care of moving the files. [[User:Rocket000|Rocket000]] ([[User talk:Rocket000#top|talk]]) 07:57, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
::G'day Rocket000, Foroa has unilaterally changed the category titling. Please see [[User:CommonsDelinker/commands]] and my comments at [[User talk:CommonsDelinker/commands]]. Cheers, [[User:AusTerrapin|AusTerrapin]] ([[User talk:AusTerrapin|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 09:33, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
:::Apparently, he doesn't like serial commas... it shouldn't have been done, but it's like American vs. British spelling and not something I like to get involved with since both forms are ok. [[User:Rocket000|Rocket000]] ([[User talk:Rocket000#top|talk]]) 16:01, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
== LangSwitch ==
Rocket000,
There are still some issues with LangSwitch, as in the [[Museum:Kölnisches Stadtmuseum]] using
<pre> {{LangSwitch
|de=[[:de:Kölnisches Stadtmuseum|Kölnisches Stadtmuseum]]
|fr=[[:fr:Musée de la ville de Cologne|Musée de la ville de Cologne]]
|tr=[[:tr:Köln Şehir Müzesi|Köln Şehir Müzesi]]
|default=[[:Category:Stadtmuseum Köln|Stadtmuseum Köln]]
}}</pre>
which gives
"{{LangSwitch
|de=[[:de:Kölnisches Stadtmuseum|Kölnisches Stadtmuseum]]
|fr=[[:fr:Musée de la ville de Cologne|Musée de la ville de Cologne]]
|tr=[[:tr:Köln Şehir Müzesi|Köln Şehir Müzesi]]
|default=[[:Category:Stadtmuseum Köln|Stadtmuseum Köln]]
}}" (empty string) --[[User:Jarekt|Jarekt]] ([[User talk:Jarekt|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 19:00, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
:I misunderstood how you were planning to use the default parameter. I thought you were using it as a way to set the default language, not the default text. But I now see that my method doesn't work. [[User:Rocket000|Rocket000]] ([[User talk:Rocket000#top|talk]]) 23:36, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
:Ok, I changed it back to your way. Hopefully, I got it right. I hate editing templates so heavily used they error out when saving. I always feel little I'm breaking something when I hit save. :) BTW, I left out the "#" in the parameter name to avoid confusion with <nowiki>{{#switch:}}</nowiki>'s #default, the "#" indicating a special case. [[User:Rocket000|Rocket000]] ([[User talk:Rocket000#top|talk]]) 23:49, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
::Crap, still doesn't work... unfortunately, I don't have time right now to investigate. [[User:Rocket000|Rocket000]] ([[User talk:Rocket000#top|talk]]) 23:51, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
:::That is likely my fault. I created [[template:LangSwitch/test]] for testing, and I will play there until I figure it out. --[[User:Jarekt|Jarekt]] ([[User talk:Jarekt|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 01:36, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
::::All fixed--[[User:Jarekt|Jarekt]] ([[User talk:Jarekt|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 02:34, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
== bot ==
hello my friend,<BR/>
what about a bot
* running on categories from [[:Category:Taxon categories]]
* only on categories named "Category:Xxxxxx yyyyyy"
* only on categories containing "Species|Xxxxxx yyyyyy|" (in Taxonavigation)
* transforming <nowiki>[[Category:Xxxxxx]]</nowiki> or <nowiki>[[Category:xxxxxx]]</nowiki> or <nowiki>[[Category:Xxxxxx|Yyyyyy]]</nowiki> or <nowiki>[[Category:xxxxxx|Yyyyyy]]</nowiki> in <nowiki>[[Category:Xxxxxx|yyyyyy]]</nowiki>
The important case we ignore is <nowiki>[[Category:Xxxxxx|†yyyyyy]]</nowiki>.
Cheers [[User:Liné1|Liné1]] ([[User talk:Liné1|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 05:18, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
:Good idea. My favorite (and lazy) way, that being a simple regex find & replace with AWB, won't work here since it involves obtaining and manipulating the title (" " → "|") and/or changing case (there's no ToUpper function). I started working on a custom module. So far I got code for normalizing categories (uppercasing the first letters, removing superfluous spaces,...), and creating the category string. Tomorrow, hopefully, I'll have it up and running. [[User:Rocket000|Rocket000]] ([[User talk:Rocket000#top|talk]]) 07:14, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
::Sniff, sound so cool. Cheers [[User:Liné1|Liné1]] ([[User talk:Liné1|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 17:46, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
:::With that bot you are running for the wikipulizer, the wikinobel and the wikifieldsmedal! [[User:Liné1|Liné1]] ([[User talk:Liné1|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 14:32, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
::::<tt>:-)</tt> Well, I'm ''almost'' done. There's just a couple annoying little bugs I have to fix. [[User:Rocket000|Rocket000]] ([[User talk:Rocket000#top|talk]]) 16:49, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
::::I just did a 50 edit test run... It [[Special:Contributions/RocketBot|works good]] but there's so many things I didn't think of. For example, how to deal with genus name parent categories that are disambiguated. The category for these need to be <nowiki>[[Category:Xxxxxx (disamb. word)|yyyyyy]]</nowiki> but since my bot uses the species category name to form the category it adds, it leaves out the " (genus)". There's not too many so I'll just deal with these manually. Hybrids with '×' are another special case. Subspecies, ditto. Anyway, overall I think I did pretty good for a non-programmer. :) I'm pre-parsing out the categories that don't need fixing right now, then I'll flip it on automatic mode. If you have any ideas to generate another list to work on, I'll be happy to run the bot on more categories (I have the latest database dump already) . [[User:Rocket000|Rocket000]] ([[User talk:Rocket000#top|talk]]) 18:04, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
{{done}} 1,316 corrected. Taking a break now, but I'll refine my filters and do another run sometime soon because I know there's more I can fix. [[User:Rocket000|Rocket000]] ([[User talk:Rocket000#top|talk]]) 23:02, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
:So cool. I saw some '''c'''ategory transformed in '''C'''ategory (that is cool) + some spaces suppressed (like [[ Catego)(cool again). Again, again, again. Cheers [[User:Liné1|Liné1]] ([[User talk:Liné1|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 07:36, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
::There is a bug in my algorithm: not all species of a genus have a Taxonavigation: if you look at [[:Category:Alosa]], your bot has patched 3 of the seven species, because the 4 others did not have a Taxonavigation! [[User:Liné1|Liné1]] ([[User talk:Liné1|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 09:12, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
:::Yeah, only the categories in [[:Category:Taxon categories]] were worked on. [[User:Rocket000|Rocket000]] ([[User talk:Rocket000#top|talk]]) 16:32, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
== incertae sedis ==
Hi Rocket000, is it possible to create an incertae sedis category within Noctuidae? I found some genera with uncertain genus assignment. --[[User:Olei|Olei]] ([[User talk:Olei|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 10:11, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
:I can't respond to that question, but in the Taxonavigation you can put '''Genus|?|''' that will display a uniformized incertae sedis. Best regards [[User:Liné1|Liné1]] ([[User talk:Liné1|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 11:05, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
::Thanks! --[[User:Olei|Olei]] ([[User talk:Olei|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 12:51, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
==[[:Category:Flat_categories]]==
{| align=center border=0 cellpadding=4 cellspacing=4 style="border: 2px solid #777; background-color: #F1F1DE"
|-
| '''Category discussion notification'''
|| '''[[:Category:Flat_categories]]''' has been listed at [[Commons:Categories for discussion]] so that the community can discuss ways in which it should be changed. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at [[Commons:Categories for discussion/2010/10/Category:Flat_categories|its entry]].<br />
<small>If you created this category, please note that the fact that it has been proposed for discussion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with it. If the category is up for deletion because it has been superseded, consider the notion that although the ''category'' may be deleted, your ''hard work'' (which we all greatly appreciate) lives on in the new category.</small><br />
In all cases, please do not take the category discussion personally. It is never intended as such. Thank you!
<center>{{cdw/lang}}</center>
|} [[User:Martin H.|Martin H.]] ([[User talk:Martin H.|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 15:03, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
== Another bot ==
Hello my friend,<BR/>
I did a mistake (again ;-)) a long time ago with {{m|Taxasource}} label "Kew".<BR/>
The database is not THE kew database, but one of the multiple provided by kew.<BR/>
So I renamed the label "Kew World Checklist" (Of course I kept the other for migration purpose) because the Database is called [http://apps.kew.org/wcsp/home.do Word Checklist of select plant families] and is hosted by [http://www.kew.org/ Kew Garden website].<BR/>
Could you run a bot on [[:Category:Taxasource to correct]] to transform '''source=Kew}}''' in '''source=Kew World Checklist}}'''<BR/>
I know I abuse, but it is for the better cause.<BR/>
Cheers [[User:Liné1|Liné1]] ([[User talk:Liné1|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 06:50, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
:Ok, working on it. I assume you want "source=Kew|" converted also. [[User:Rocket000|Rocket000]] ([[User talk:Rocket000#top|talk]]) 07:02, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
::Thanks again. You saved me. [[User:Liné1|Liné1]] ([[User talk:Liné1|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 13:32, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
==Updating template tysp?==
The type species of a genus is not always a name in use. Ex ''Pachystachys riedelianus'' is the typus of the genus, but at the same time synonymous under ''Pachystachys spicata''. Could the template be altered to include a "redirection area" or a new template be made for this type of names? [[User:Uleli|Uleli]] ([[User talk:Uleli|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 18:48, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
:Hmm, can you give me an example for what you mean by "redirection area"? Something like this:
::<span style="border:1px solid black; padding:1px; font-size:80%"><font style="color:white; background:#008000">{{tysp/title}}</font></span> '''''Pachystachys riedeliana''''' <small>Nees</small> [= ''[[:Category:Pachystachys spicata|Pachystachys spicata]]'' <small>(Ruiz & Pav.) Wassh.</small>]</span>
:Or do you want the link to simply go to the current name, e.g. <nowiki>[[:Category:Pachystachys spicata|Pachystachys riedeliana]]</nowiki>? [[User:Rocket000|Rocket000]] ([[User talk:Rocket000#top|talk]]) 19:45, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
:*Well, I don't know which one that will suit the reader the most, but I had in mind the latter example...??? [[User:Uleli|Uleli]] ([[User talk:Uleli|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 21:19, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
::*I added a |link= parameter. [[User:Rocket000|Rocket000]] ([[User talk:Rocket000#top|talk]]) 23:43, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
==POTD LOGO==
i dont mind about you extracting the image or the lisence change. :) ty for your nice work by the way -[[User:LadyofHats|LadyofHats]] ([[User talk:LadyofHats|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 07:59, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
== [[:Category:Statues in Italy by subject by city]] ==
Hi Rocket000. I asked to Delinker to change the name of the category above in "Statues in Italy by city by subject". You [http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:CommonsDelinker/commands&diff=next&oldid=45482495 cancelled my request] by the opinion that "it's correct, the category is ''by city'' so it goes last". I wish to explain you why I disagree. The difference is clear. Actually the categories "Statues in Bologna, Brescia, Catania,... by subject" are "Statues in Italy '''by city by subject'''". Categories like "Statues of angels, of bishops, of Madonna, ... in Bologna, Brescia, Catania, etc." are "Statues in Italy '''by subject by city'''". This is the reason because I requested to delink the Category above: for the subcategories that it contains, simply this name is wrong, it's not correct! We have a parallel situation with [[:Category:Reliefs in Italy by city by period]] and [[:Category:Reliefs in Italy by period by city]]. The names that we give to the art categories in Italy do not follow a vague idea, but are done correspondingly a very clear situation. It's not possible to mistake! Different way we will have a messy situation wich will be very difficult to manage. I hope that I was able to explain you my thought. Soon I will ask again Delinker to change the name of this Category. Best regards, --[[User:DenghiùComm|DenghiùComm]] ([[User talk:DenghiùComm|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 15:49, 30 October 2010 (UTC) PS: Thank you so much always for your work on categories, flat lists, etc. It's really a big help for my work on italian categories! I hope that I give correctly the different "metacats" follow your instructions. If I make some mistakes, please tell me! Thank you!
:I always follow a simple rule when naming categories like this. The last "by xxx" refers to the way the category is organized. For example, [[:Category:Art by country by period]], [[:Category:Art by period by country]], [[:Category:Paintings by country by period]], etc., however, I'm aware not everyone follows this rule and in fact does the opposite. Honestly, I'm not sure which way is better, nor do I have a strong preference either way. I just thought the last "by xxx" should always refer to the way the category itself is arranged and not the way the subcategories are arranged. Foroa and I discussed this awhile ago and agreed it needs some kind of harmonizing. It appears someone else [[:Category:Reliefs in Italy by city by subject|thinks]] these should be renamed as well so I won't get involved. Feel free to remake your request and any others. Hopefully, whatever happens will result in consistency. Cheers, [[User:Rocket000|Rocket000]] ([[User talk:Rocket000#top|talk]]) 18:45, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
:BTW, I'm glad you find my category work helpful for your category work. :) We're looking for more input on [[Commons:Categories for discussion/2010/10/Category:Flat categories]]. [[User:Rocket000|Rocket000]] ([[User talk:Rocket000#top|talk]]) 19:05, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
::Thank you very much, dear Rocket000 for your explanation. I think that the different way to understand the same situation is a typically exemple for the different ''forma mentis'' of people with mediterranean-latin culture, from people they have a nordic-german-english culture. By the nordic culture a lot of things are reverted (the date, the sassone possessive case; in german the verb at the end, the numbers, etc.). By the latin culture this is not, and the conceptual order is very simple, from left to right, from the subject to the verb. So we from the South, we have really problem when something is sayd 1 - 2, that this is to understand 2 - 1. Never mind...! I requested again Delinker to change two categories, and he just do it. Thank you too for the informations about the discussions about Categories and flat lists: I wasn't informed that there are these discussions! Cheers, --[[User:DenghiùComm|DenghiùComm]] ([[User talk:DenghiùComm|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 15:59, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
== Bot ==
Hello my friend,<BR/>
What about running a bot on [[:Category:Taxon categories]] to transform '''<nowiki>{{Translation table|inline=o|hidetitle=o|width=100%</nowiki>''' in '''<nowiki>{{VN|</nowiki>''' ???<BR/>
You could ask [[Commons talk:WikiProject Tree of Life]] if you want a greater consensus.<BR/>
Cheers [[User:Liné1|Liné1]] ([[User talk:Liné1|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 18:04, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
:Hmm, as the creator of {{tlf|VN}} I would kinda feel like I was forcing my template on people, but as far as I can tell everyone that works in this area supports {{m|VN}} over the old way. I will look into how many are left and if anyone is creating new TOL pages/categories with {{m|translation table}}. [[User:Rocket000|Rocket000]] ([[User talk:Rocket000#top|talk]]) 18:51, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
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