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From: rstevew@armory.com (Richard Steven Walz)
Subject: Re: Does Socialism Take Jobs Away?
Organization: The Armory
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 1994 07:56:40 GMT
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In article <31pbhg$30j@tribune.usask.ca>, Henry Choy <choy@cs.usask.ca> wrote:
>Richard Steven Walz (rstevew@armory.com) wrote:
>: As for death cars, I have
>: seen fast solar cars, but the danger is from larger, heavier
>:vehicles,
>
>And trees.
>
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Seen lots of trees on freeways lately? I haven't!

>: I'm not PC and I believe in limits on government. What YOU don't like is
>: that I ALSO believe in limits on business!!! Limits on people I don't like.
>: Business is a different animal than the personal lives of people! It's an
>: animal that can devour people's economic existence, just like government
>: can destroy people's freedom. Both need to be protected in a balance. But
>: if someone wants their free speech to be a rabble rousing to riot for the
>: "right" to either kill, pollute, restrict free speech, or allow business to
>: take over a government and its people and divide fairly earned wealth
>: unequally by the hour, then I will pull the trigger, I assure you!!!
>
>Are you rousing to riot for the right to kill?
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Don't need to. No one NEEDS a right to kill! It is meta-legal. It is
political!

>: If you think that it is a paradox that I would shoot someone for exercising
>: speech to preach against free speech, I don't believe it to be. A right
>: that can be used to destroy itself is not a legitimate use of that
>: right.

>Are you trying to restrict free speech? Are you?
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No, just unfree speech.

>: It is WORSE than crying fire in a crowded theatre!!!
>
>What's worse, crying fire or designing theatres that don't have enough
>fire escapes?
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How big a one do YOU need!?

>: Basic human rights
>: must be protected as the FIRST duty of a government and its people!
>
>If you want free speech, then you have to show why it's important. You
>have to use speech, not triggers.
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Have you ever been stalked??
Where do you live??

>: There
>: is as much right to equal pay per hour for all occupations as there is a
>: right of free speech.
>
>This is a great leap. If I dilly dally, I'd expect to be paid as much
>as all the hard working snots.
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Ancient lame argument. You forget getting fired.
I doubt if they'd let you keep your job in that case.

>Speech may be free, but it may not be worth hearing. Everyone is free
>to work, but the work may not be worth anything.
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This is true now. It is also meaningless.

>: There is as much right to care when you're sick as
>: there is to the right to the pursuit of happiness and freedom of movement!
>: I don't want to remove rights, I want to add them at the expense of
>: excessive controlling wealthy interests.
>
>Let me help. Everyone has a right to a three-valued computer.
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If they are available and they save their excess work hours and put in an
order....

>: There is as much right to have a
>: house to live in that you don't have to pay rent on as there is a right toa
>: trial by jury!!!
>
>Not if you shoot them first.
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Not if I shoot you first.

>: There is such a thing as the best of the US Bill of Rights
>: and the Guarantees under the Soviet Constitution, which was never lived up
>: to at all! They are NOT in conflict!
>
>What makes you think that your constitution would be lived up to?
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Bullets. Liberally applied.

>: Eastern Europe wants its old socialist security back, as long as they don't
>: give up their rights of speech and freedom to work or not, as they see fit.
>: They want the right to work when they want to, and not to when they don't.
>: Sounds reasonable to me!! And little by little, all the nations of the
>: world are embracing these "mixed" system virtues, as you call them, when
>: all they are are classic socialism!!! Three of the eastern block and two of
>: the independent states have now elected socialists, 2 or 3 to 1!!! The
>: first thing they wanted was a right to full employment and medical!
>
>: Go run
>: off into Africa and try to hunt gnus. As soon as you're tired of gnu
>: everyday, as they won't let you shoot anything else, you can come back and
>: figure out that it's a nice place to live, and nicer even than before!
>
>This doesn't prove socialism is good, it just proves that gnu hunting
>is sad.
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I hear gnus taste quite like good roast beef, once marinated. It COULD be a
good life!! But I suspect it wouldn't agree with you. You can't argue with
a gnu.

>: Japan has a ways to fall. But fall it will. It can't sustain the remnants
>: of ancient warlords and castes forever. And the kids are getting lazy and
>: wild! It'll go socisalist REAL soon!
>
>Would you predict that in a socialist Japan the kids would get lazier
>and wilder?
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I sure hope so, they are so abused and grim now!!!! No wonder they can't
think creatively. They live under a most repressive obsessive-compulsive
capitalism!!!

>        Henry Choy                       "Math class is hard" - Barbie
>e-mail: choy@cs.usask.ca                  I AGREE!
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-RSW

