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From: rstevew@armory.com (Richard Steven Walz)
Subject: Re: Does Automation Take Jobs Away?
Organization: The Armory
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 1994 06:45:19 GMT
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In article <1994Jul27.180501.13633@mixcom.mixcom.com>,
Vince Mulhollon <vince@myhost.subdomain.domain> wrote:
>Richard Steven Walz (rstevew@armory.com) wrote:
>: In article <30uo26$53n@tribune.usask.ca>, Henry Choy <choy@cs.usask.ca> wrote:
>: >Richard Steven Walz (rstevew@armory.com) wrote:
>
>: Organized economies are always better. Medicare has a 3% overhead. private
>: insurance pays 27% for profit and overhead!!! And they say government can't
>: do anything as right as private market can! I wonder how much they have to
>: pay people to keep saying what is not true!!! The post office got the raw
>: end of the deal against UPS and FEDEX and such. Nobody else can deliver
>: letters for $.29 anywhere in the USA! 
>: -Steve
>
>Very funny.  Welfare system.  Need I say more?  $75000 tax money for
>$500 a month (12000 a year) ?
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Just TRY to whip out your figures on THAT one! I have all of them. You're
being "creative" to prove a point, and prevarication is not becoming!
-Steve

>If you are trying to make a serious arguement about the "beauty" of
>the theory of socialism at least don't shoot yourself in the foot
>by discussing the sickeningly low productivity of socialist programs
>and nations.
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Gee, Germany has been doing fine. I suppose you think the Swedes are lazy.
I would say that Einstein was lazy, and he justified that human pasttime.
I think that leisure and time for thought is a human goal. Are you jealous
if someone achieves it???
-Steve

>Don't make me bring up the subject of starving russians.
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The Russians never had socialism, and now they are starving with capitalism
worse than ever. 
-Steve

>It's OK to make jokes about how we should socialize unimportant jobs 
>like public telephone sanitizers and bolt tightners, but food production
>and health care are LIFE and DEATH issues.
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Yes they are. That's WHY national health would benefit us. Every time the
vested interests say that the good results elsewhere in the world can't be
adapted to the "American" system, I realize they are simply trying to
forestall the demise of the insurance companies, one of the biggest scams in
all of capitalism!!! I mean, these entities OWN OUTRIGHT whole BANKING
systems and even their COMPETITORS!!! Insurance IS the biggest profiteer in
capitalism! We spend over 13% of the GDP on health, and 27% pays for paper
shuffling. The Canadian system pays only 10% and their overhead for
paperwork is 1.5% of that! Italy is down to paying 8%!!! And they still
have FREE heart bypasses!!! (No Waiting, by the way!) If we spent only 10%
instead of 13%, we'd have the same services as now without cost containment
except restricting it to Standard of Living. We pay between 2.0 and 2.5
TIMES more for all drugs on average as is paid in US dollars for the same
drug in Europe!!! There's some more savings! WITH cost containment for fees
and supplies, we could knock that way down! The Canadian system thought
they'd have a mass of emigrating doctors. They didn't, because the USA
couldn't absorb them!!!:) That's the market for you! It's time to organize
the entire American people into one self-insured group! ALL the rich are
self-insured. They'll tell you it's cheaper!! Of course it's cheaper, they
don't have to pay some bunch of idiots to sit and shuffle papers trying to
refuse claims!!! They don't have the stock holders sliding in to take a cut
and go golfing! Most of the difference between the current cost of health
care in America, and national single payer is the upkeep on pleasure
cruises and golf courses!!!
-Steve

>I would be annoyed if we destroyed Ford, Chrysler, etc and only produced
>Trabants and bicycles, but,
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We may have to regardless for ecological reasons. But I think Ford can
figure out how to build good buses, and likely some solar vehicles and low
cost errand vehicles. And they might even learn how to make mag-lev trains!
They seem to learn everything else they say they can't when we make them!
If the people owned them, they would have the voice in saying what they
want, and not putting up with constantly changing fashion that isn't
anything but some art major showing off his new CAD program on the same old
chassis!
-Steve

>I would be DEAD if we destroyed the best health care system in the 
>world or our nations farmers.
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I didn't see a mass die off in Canada, among ANY group or class of illness.
State your problem! And why would anyone destroy a bunch of poor farmers
that already work for a beaurocracy anyway, the BANK! Nothing worse than
THOSE bastards! I'v done lots of farming. I know all about it!
-Steve

>Also I personally, publicly declare that I will refuse to be a 
>network engineer if ^h^h^h when we fully socialize amerika.
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Goody, we need more assholes digging ditches.
-Steve

>I will not have spent years training and studing so that I can
>become one with the earth by becoming a peasant farmer, after
>all automation is destroyed so we ALL can finally do menial
>brainless make-work.
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I hate to tell you, but that's NOT the impact of socialism! You should do
some reading. I think you have in mind Luddites, not socialists.
-Steve

>I will leave this country when ^h^h^h if it falls apart, just like
>my ancestors left germany when it fell apart.
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Where will you go?! I don't know about you, but my ancestors left Germany
to avoid conscription in the Franko-Prussian war! I can't think of anywhere
decent to live that isn't more socialist than we are and getting more so!:)
-Steve Walz   rstevew@armory.com

