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From: glwilli@beavis561102 (Glenn Williams)
Subject: Re: SmallTalk vs C++ Challenge! 8/17/95 New York City
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In article <26bKZT$02e@zoe.pcix.com>, traymond@pcix.com writes:
> In <DDGtpD.Ftp@da_vinci.ecte.uswc.uswest.com>, glwilli@beavis561102 (Glenn Williams) writes:
> >
> :We looked into Smalltalk ( a major project here was developed in Smalltalk, and
> :redeveloped in C++ ) because of the gains in productivity. But in our environment,
> :X-Terminals served from UNIX servers, it raises our hardware costs. Our UNIX servers
> :normally handle 40+ users, using X-terminals. With Smalltalk its down to between 4 and 17.
> :Smalltalk wants a single processor. It also wants a lot of memory. Its a resource hog.
> :The cost of using Smalltalk here isn't just the runtime speed, its the hardware
> :
> :pport it.
> 
> Do you mean that the decrease in personnel cost does not offset the increased cost
> of additional hardware?  Or, your company's accounting practices don't permit that
> kind of decision to be made?
> 
> Terry Raymond
> 
> 

The decrease in personnel and development time may justify more hardware. I
think it probably would. However, without real experiance and simular cases to
draw against, ( and probably a guarantee written in blood ) a 100 million dollar
hardware decision just isn't going to happen over a language. 

glenn

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