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Subject: Re: Comparison of languages for CS1 and CS2
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In article <19950711T232509Z@naggum.no> erik@naggum.no (Erik Naggum) writes:
>[James McKim]
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>|   >Industrial popularity has never been seriously used as the major
>|   >justification for a first-year language, until now.
>|   
>|   Yup.  What makes it even more ironic is that all indications are that
>|   C++ is now fast losing market share in industry (mainly to Smalltalk).
>
>before I go invite a lot of friends and pop a few bottles of champagne, I'd
>like to be more certain it isn't premature.  do you have any references?

Jeff Sutherland has been publishing survey results in comp.object recently
that support the above assertion. Here's the only one I kept along with
a reference to Jeff's home page in case you want to follow up. This one
only shows the decrease in C++ market share, but Jeff has published, and
I've independently seen evidence that most of that debit has been going
to Smalltalk, with some small share going to other OO languages such as
Eiffel.

BTW, I have seen _no_ evidence that C++ is shrinking in terms of absolute
usage or in numbers of users, only in percentage of market share.

Hope this helps,
-- Jim

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From: Jeff Sutherland <jsutherland@bix.com>
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Subject: Latest stats on who is using C++ vs. Smalltalk
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A recent Gartner Group survey shows that of developers using 
object-oriented languages:

42% use C++
26% use an "object-oriented" 4GL (Is this an oxymoron?)
17% use Smalltalk
15% use some other OOPL

This is about 10% less C++ utilization than a survey that I mentioned 
previously from Datamation last summer.  Smalltalk is about the same.  
Maybe some C++ people are moving to 4GLs or other OOPLs.  Or it could be 
statistical variation.  They never publish details on the sample space, 
the rate of return, the sample size, and the expected variation.

If you need a reference to cite, check my home page under "References".

Jeff Sutherland
http://www.tiac.net/users/jsuth

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