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From: vrotney@netcom.com (William Paul Vrotney)
Subject: Re: What is wrong with OO ?
In-Reply-To: "Dann Corbit"'s message of 4 Feb 1997 18:10:25 GMT
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In article <01bc12c6$a036c5e0$ca61e426@DCorbit.solutionsiq.com> "Dann
Corbit" <dcorbit@solutionsiq.com> writes:
> 
> Travis C. Porco <porco@stat.Berkeley.EDU> wrote in article

>> > >Try reading one of Steve Heller's books on C++.  They are designed so
>> that > >absolutely anyone can understand.  I am not saying that C++ is the
>> easiest > >thing on earth to learn.  Sometimes, there is difficulty
>> associated with > >learning (even elementary arithmetic has perils for
>> those who have not yet > >grasped all nuances).  Learning C++ is not so
>> difficult that a capable high > >school student cannot learn it.  > > But
>> first, one must ask whether it is desirable to learn it in the first
>> place.  > C++ is by all accounts exceedingly difficult to master.

> By what accounts?  I have no problem understanding it, and I'm not a
> genius.  There are thousands of commercial programmers and analysts who
> have made the leap.  Many times as many as Lisp and Smalltalk put together.
> 

>> > What is the return > on our time investment?  Especially when there are
>> even higher level > languages available than C++, in particular Common
>> Lisp with its object system > CLOS.

> What a load of crap.  If you are talking about 'return on investment' C++
> is absurdly higher than Common Lisp.  Look at the amount of development

> ... [+ more of the usual non-Lisper prejudice]

> Please send hate mail to me, rather than pollute the newsgroups with a
> language war.
> dcorbit@SolutionsIQ.com
> 

There should be a word to describe this.  The poster starts a war and then
proclaims that nobody else is allowed a post to defend.

In the great C++/Lisp wars of the past there was usually mostly postings
from either skilled side.  I wonder what postings from those that have
mastered both Lisp and C++ would be like.  I think that most of us would
value their opinions more than the single skilled.


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William P. Vrotney - vrotney@netcom.com
