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From: smj@cirr.com (Stephen M Jones)
Subject: ESR is still losing
Organization: Central Iowa (Model) Railroad, Dallas, Tx.
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Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 20:31:04 GMT
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Apparently ESR subscribed this poor LISP hacker to his "jargon-helpers"
mailing list.  I feel that the guy's message carries an even important
theme that we all should be aware of.  And that is, you should NEVER
spell TECO tico.  I do agree that there are absolutely no HACKS in UNIX.
How could there be since any UNIX kernel is a kludge to begin with. 

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From: Daniel Finster <DF@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG>
To: ESR@LOCKE.CCIL.ORG
Subject: TNHD III is coming
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I don't know why I received this, or by what circumstance I was added
to JARGON-HELPERS, but since this mail is here, I'll go ahead and reply to
it.

    From: "Eric S. Raymond" <esr@locke.ccil.org>
    Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 00:54:11 -0500 (EST)

    I hope those of you with an editorial interest in the File will take some 
    time to review the new and changed entries since the Second Edition.  If
    you have jargon you've had mentally batched up to send me, now would be
    a good time to do it.

I hope you have corrected the myriad errors, inaccuracies, and
distortions that can be found on almost every single page of TNHDII.

I threw away my copy in disgust quite a while back, so I can only give
you as examples the few things I remember clearly:

  1/ The entry on Multics is completely wrong, except for the
     (correct) definition of the acronym at the very top.

  2/ All of the entries re: ITS, PDP-10's etc that were not copied
     from _The Hackers Dictionary_ are wrong and/or misleading.

  3/ The one or two entries that relate to LispM's are wrong.

It's obvious that under your supervision, the Jargon File has gone
from a bastion of 36-bitness to the degraded confusion of Eunuchs and
other disgusting 32-bit systems; its past glory has been shredded
away, and now it lies as a wretched, regurgitated corpse (just like the
computer systems it now relates to).

There is no such thing as a "Unix Hacker", because, under eunuchs all
you can do is LOSE LOSE LOSE!  Not possible to hack in that
environment.

The incessant fawning over RMS and his communistic FSF is also
extremely annoying.

I and many other 36-bitters are disgusted by what the Jargon File has
become.
-- 
smj@egsner.cirr.com  (Stephen M. Jones)
BUGHLT KPALVH
